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Korbin
23rd October 2015, 05:45 PM
Hi all

New to the forum, and back from a long break from golf (4 or more years), so hi everyone and straight into the 'help me choose product' type question as below.

The question's:

There is a great deal on a set of Cleveland 588 TTs - $400 fitted. Originally I was going to reward myself with new irons when I get my handicap to a strong 12 - 15 however, after a good deal of internet searching, and a quick hit on a 7 iron mid-week I have the below questions:

Will the 588 TTs help my game in terms of getting better feedback and feel on the ball compared to my current set (as below)?
Will the 588 TTs help me see/feel the difference between poor and well hit strokes?
Will I see better accuracy from the 588 TTs with my improving swing? ie Will they deliver better practice results to confidently hit a shot that lands consistently close to my desired destination? (I feel my current clubs reward me when its 100% perfect, and confuse me off the sweat spot with a variety of success/failure)
Do my current set prevent me from doing the above?
Is there a different set I should consider that are comparable on price and quality as the 588 TTs?

From my research, they appear to be a forgiving player iron, which would allow me to grow my game, but not frustrate me in the short term.

Note: I'm not putting any hope on these dropping my game by 5 strokes on purchase, instead, I'm looking at reward for practice with better feedback translating to more consistency in stroke and generally more enjoyment from the game with better equipment.


Background context to the question's:

High level:

Ability: Currently playing reasonable boggy golf - shooting 18 - 20 over.
What got me here: I've put the most work into my driver and iron swing/game and currently putting a lot of work into my approach/chipping/putting game.
Results:

I can confidently get around 18 holes with a 200+ meter drive that lands somewhere playable, which puts me in a great position for an approach.
I will then ruin this advantage with poor iron play, often having to hit a couple of approaches to get onto the green, and then 2 - 3 putting.
Where I was once happy to get the ball in the air and straight, I'm now wanting the ball to land consistently at the desired location.
Back in the day (about 10 years ago) , I used to hack around with a entry level set of Maxfli's, I think the whole set cost me $650 new, including bag, irons, putter and drivers and later I got some lesson's that got me to regularly playing at a 20 - 25 over the card.

But this time, I've decided to do it right, including:

Lessons from day one, which have of course helped immensely - I bought an initial pack of five 30 mins, to get my swing and technique to a good bassline.
Practice of the lessons - I commit 6 - 8 hours of practice in between lessons so I'm actually building the technique and drills.
Playing - trying to play 2 - 3 times a month, along side the above range practice - but I'd like to move this to weekly in the near future.
Current Equipment:

By chance, there was a Callaway Razr 10.5 degree on sale new in my pro shop for $150 (down from $400), and my above-mentioned drivers were terrible, so I figured that was a good start to give me some kind of fighting chance off the tee.
Everything else came from my stock purchase about 10 years ago, irons 3 - SW, and putter.
Thanks again - great to be back into the game.

Korbin

Sydney Hacker
23rd October 2015, 06:04 PM
Sorry too long to read... I have the TT's and they are great. Forgiving, can work them if need be, throw it high with a strong ball flight. All good in my books.

Very strong lofts though so don't think you are suddenly hitting it 2 clubs longer!

3oneday
23rd October 2015, 06:15 PM
Your questions, yes x 6.

3Puttpete
23rd October 2015, 06:19 PM
G'day Korbin and welcome.

The 588TT are officially endorsed by the current Ozgolf SA Champ who used these for a superb 1 over off the stick on the back 9 around Royal Adelaide including a spectacular birdie on 18 for the win.

You'll know when you hit the middle and when you miss it but they'll also give you a bit of help when you don't get it in the sweet spot. Heel and toe shots will never be as good as those out of the middle but as long as the contact is half decent they won't punish you too severely.

The same swing will send the ball the same distance every time. As long as you hit it properly it'll go as Faroe as short as you expect it to.

Very underrated irons IMO.

wizard_of_oz
23rd October 2015, 06:31 PM
I use these irons, look nice, and perform well. They have less offset than JPX 825 Pros which are meant to be for low-mid cappers, but they are stronger lofted by 2 degrees so practically a club length longer.

Daves
23rd October 2015, 06:37 PM
The short answer is if you are fitted by a PGA Professional, Yes.

$400, or a bit less, is the street price for these clubs these days. If they are professionally fitted for that price, it is a good deal imo.

I have set, and they are nice clubs for the money, albeit very strong lofts, as mentioned.

spanner039
23rd October 2015, 07:02 PM
Wow! Sorry now sore and even more blurry eyesight

Im thinking the fitting alone will save you at least 5, the tts are good.

Go for it

Korbin
23rd October 2015, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the replies, and sorry for the wall of text!

I'm unsure if I'll get a fitted by a certified PGA Pro, as I'm going to the Golf Clearance Outlet, is it worth just buying from them and getting fitted elsewhere?

Icestorm959
23rd October 2015, 08:34 PM
Thanks for the replies, and sorry for the wall of text!I'm unsure if I'll get a fitted by a certified PGA Pro, as I'm going to the Golf Clearance Outlet, is it worth just buying from them and getting fitted elsewhere? Golf clearance outlet just have the stock standard shafts on their irons dont they?

wizard_of_oz
23rd October 2015, 08:35 PM
When they say "fitted", they just mean by flex using their standard Cleveland shaft. No way will they be trying to get a custom shaft for you and being a cast iron with forged face, they won't alter the lie angle either.

3Puttpete
23rd October 2015, 08:45 PM
is it worth just buying from them and getting fitted elsewhere?

If they're the irons you want at a better price than you can get elsewhere, yes.

Icestorm959
23rd October 2015, 08:51 PM
For $400 I wouldnt buy 588s to be honest. $100-$150 more and you can import new Srixon 545 or 745s from buyee which are much nicer.

3Puttpete
23rd October 2015, 08:53 PM
For $400 I wouldnt buy 588s to be honest. $100-$150 more and you can import new Srixon 545 or 745s from buyee which are much nicer.

545 and 745 look nicer but the 588 are better to play

Korbin
23rd October 2015, 08:55 PM
They do have sets of stiff and regular shafts, but the standard factory ones that come yes.

As they are cast iron, is it impossible to alter lie, or is it something that I'd need to go elsewhere for?

Apologies if this has been covered countless times in other threads...

3Puttpete
23rd October 2015, 08:57 PM
You can get a set of the MT from golfbox for $249.

Confused yet?

Korbin
23rd October 2015, 09:06 PM
You can get a set of the MT from golfbox for $249.

Confused yet?

It seems many run the MTs for their longer irons, and then migrate to the TTs for the short game, but the big thing will being able to try them, so if they have MTs I'll give them a spin, but if not I may be stuck with what they have, as I can't seem to find another store in Melbourne that stocks Cleveland's at present.

From everything I've read, no matter what ever I get, if they don't fit right, its going to produce poor results?

wizard_of_oz
23rd October 2015, 10:06 PM
There are people here who swear by getting fitted but it's useless unless you have a good repeatable swing IMO. Your swing will affect the outcome of a shot more than the "fit" of an iron. If your driver goes around 200m ish, just get a regular flex standard LLL.

Johnny Canuck
23rd October 2015, 10:25 PM
545 and 745 look nicer but the 588 are better to play

Better how?

Like JDM?

damoocow
23rd October 2015, 10:38 PM
I had a set of the TT's and didn't like them. Not sure what the GCO fitting process is....The MT's would be dead easy to hit...

TheNuclearOne
23rd October 2015, 10:49 PM
Did they have the stock Cleve shafts Moo? I know almost everybody hates that shaft. Big shame, such good irons with such a shocking stock shaft for the mainstream.

damoocow
23rd October 2015, 10:54 PM
Did they have the stock Cleve shafts Moo? I know almost everybody hates that shaft. Big shame, such good irons with such a shocking stock shaft for the mainstream.

They did. Changing shafts was not even considered. What works in them?

TheNuclearOne
23rd October 2015, 11:09 PM
Anything that suits you personally mate. Have read endless complaints about the Traction shafts and how they come alive with others.

Icestorm959
23rd October 2015, 11:10 PM
what are the stock cleveland shafts?

TheNuclearOne
23rd October 2015, 11:17 PM
Traction 85 i believe.

Icestorm959
23rd October 2015, 11:21 PM
Traction 85 i believe.

never heard of them! First page of google search results seems to be rather underwhelming.

TheNuclearOne
23rd October 2015, 11:24 PM
Exactly.

Daves
23rd October 2015, 11:24 PM
http://www.clevelandgolf.com/US_588-tt-irons__588_tt_irons__viewProd_irons.html

Ferrins
24th October 2015, 06:38 AM
I like using these types of players chump irons. Got a set of 2011 TM TP CB with the forged face cast body. fFitted by the guy selling them to me on Gumtree. "You tall, you hit long time"

Sydney Hacker
24th October 2015, 06:53 AM
Traction 85 i believe. I have only seen them with DG either S300 or R300. To be fair though I haven't looked that hard.

3Puttpete
24th October 2015, 07:59 AM
Better how?

Like JDM?

Of course

Daves
24th October 2015, 08:05 AM
I have only seen them with DG either S300 or R300. To be fair though I haven't looked that hard.

I am the opposite, I have only ever seen them with the Traction shafts. It is one of the reasons they are so cheap. DGs or KBS would be better choices for most, I reckon.

Daves
24th October 2015, 08:11 AM
By the way, Golf Box have these for $299 at the moment. No mention what shaft?, so almost certainly will be the Tractions.

3Puttpete
24th October 2015, 08:39 AM
I had no problems with the stock shafts

3Puttpete
24th October 2015, 08:39 AM
By the way, Golf Box have these for $299 at the moment. No mention what shaft?, so almost certainly will be the Tractions.

TT or just the MT?

Daves
24th October 2015, 08:44 AM
TT or just the MT?

Seems to be only the MTs.

wizard_of_oz
24th October 2015, 09:43 AM
I have only seen them with DG either S300 or R300. To be fair though I haven't looked that hard.
You might be thinking of the 588 CB..http://www.carlsgolfland.com/cleveland-588-cb-forged-irons-on-sale

jimandr
24th October 2015, 10:46 AM
Karmin, you are overthinking the importance of irons to your game, which is why you will fit in here very well. We specialise in overthinking equipment.

I have the TT irons. They were my reserve set, but since people on here endorsed them so strongly (and tried to buy them off me) I have put them in my bag. They are good clubs, and I'm still not selling them.

I'm not a shaft guy, so I had to go out to the car and have a look to see what shafts they were. They are Traction 85's, and perform exactly the way they should for me.

All golfers are different, so all opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, but I think you can't go wrong with 588TT's. They won't fix a bad swing, but they will tell you when you have made a good one.

Regarding fitting, once again you can overthink this aspect to the nth degree, but the proper lie angle and shaft flex are important.

Korbin
24th October 2015, 03:21 PM
Hi all, thanks for the comments and advice!

I hit a good 50 balls on their computer mapping system, and all flew well within 30 metres either side of straight, which is good for my long irons, as they tend to be inconsistent at best - so I pulled the trigger.

The masking tape was showing no real lie issues off of the standard length shafts, but the sales guy mentioned that if I felt I needed another half an inch, to come back anytime in the next 4 - 6 weeks and he could do that adjustment.

I ended up getting a good deal with an RTX 2.0 54 and a second hand two ball putter, which was on the radar for years and just happened to be traded in the day prior.

Just got back from the range, certainly more consistent feel from the shots far more reward for getting it close to the sweet spot, and I feel a tighter grouping of balls landing within 10 metres of where I was aiming with my longer irons, and pretty well on point for my shorter irons.

Then after an hour of practicing chipping and putting, - I think I'll need another 10 hours there to get that part of my game more consistent - but at least I don't think I need any more gear anytime soon - well maybe a wedge or two for Xmas...

Korbin

3Puttpete
24th October 2015, 03:46 PM
As long as you're happy with them, nice work

Korbin
24th October 2015, 06:49 PM
As long as you're happy with them, nice work

Going from what I had, I think anything would have been considered amazing - hopefully I'll shoot my first 9 at an all-time best score to confirm the purchase tomorrow!