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adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 11:05 AM
http://www.rankmark.com/golf-club-reviews/2011/cleveland-cg1-tour-irons/

Why can I hit the 4 iron in this set 180 metres and the 6 iron 155 metres but I can't hit my driver >220m.

DGS300's too.

I just don't get it.

20hcp so flame away.

3Puttpete
21st March 2014, 11:13 AM
If these iron statements are true, forget about driver. You're lifting the tail to fix a tooth ache. Your problem is at the other end.

Slothman
21st March 2014, 11:14 AM
Don't let it bother you, I am the other way around.

Can launch the driver on occasion but my irons are piss weak poofta slut short. With no breeze my average 4 iron is only 160-165m. If I nut it and everything works...180 meters. The other day cracked a 195 4 iron, but had a gale force wind behind me.

Play with what you got and improve over time.

One thing I have found with my driver....I hit it longer when I don't try to hit it longer :)

Coldtopper
21st March 2014, 11:16 AM
Physics Mr Analyzer! Can you really hit your 4 iron 180m and I dont mean once in a bag of 100! Post some video of your swing!

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 11:23 AM
If these iron statements are true, forget about driver. You're lifting the tail to fix a tooth ache. Your problem is at the other end.

They are true, hit side by side with my current irons which are DGR300 so that I could get a true comparison too.

6 iron distances were: shortest 145m and longest 155m, difference between the two being whether I hit it on the sweet spot or not.

4 iron distances were: shortest 165m and longest 184m, again difference being how well I made contact.

I've been practicing short game all week, even had a short game lesson yesterday, first full swings in over a week today and my swing was on. The smoother/slower my swing the further that 4 iron went. Loved the feel of it. The results would probably scare me when I hit them on an off day but they felt damn good today.

I just love the look of a blade-ish iron despite my high handicap.

Maybe I should try an old school 380cc driver... who knows.

3oneday
21st March 2014, 11:28 AM
Not many here could consistently hit a 4 iron 180.

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 11:29 AM
Physics Mr Analyzer! Can you really hit your 4 iron 180m and I dont mean once in a bag of 100! Post some video of your swing!

Already posted my swing in another thread http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/39231-What-is-happening-when-I-m-coming-out-of-the-shot half way down. This was taken late last year and I have been working hard on it since then so I expect it would be slightly better now.

Pick it apart, go nuts.

I can't hit my TM rac cb 4i with DGR300 that far, more like 165m-170m, but the distances with the CG1 were as I posted them.

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 11:30 AM
Don't let it bother you, I am the other way around.

Can launch the driver on occasion but my irons are piss weak poofta slut short. With no breeze my average 4 iron is only 160-165m. If I nut it and everything works...180 meters. The other day cracked a 195 4 iron, but had a gale force wind behind me.

Play with what you got and improve over time.

One thing I have found with my driver....I hit it longer when I don't try to hit it longer :)

I'm TRYING not to let it bother me, I'm TRYING.

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 11:33 AM
Not many here could consistently hit a 4 iron 180.

Like I said, that half the shots I hit with it today went 180-185m and the other half went 165-175m. Not consistent by any means and who knows what tomorrow will bring... but surely I should be good for 220m average with driver right?

3Puttpete
21st March 2014, 11:37 AM
Just hit it harder

Coldtopper
21st March 2014, 11:53 AM
Just hit it harder or has the Analyzer got it worked out already!

Stuartd147
21st March 2014, 11:55 AM
AG...have you been tested and fitted? Can be lots of reasons...like you hit down and deloft your irons and do same with driver, when you need to hit up with your driver to get max benefit. Could be reg shafts in irons are too soft (you dont mention accuracy and flight and "bad" shot [hook/fade]), so you over power your irons and then your driver shaft is either too weak (spins too much) and too stiff (low and not enough spin). Could be faulty equipment....can be stacks of reasons, book in to Performance Golf centre or similar and get tested and really find out what is going on....Stu

davepuppies
21st March 2014, 12:02 PM
AG, I have seen many posts from you where you seem to be waaaaaaayyyyyyyy overthinking things.

I am not having a go here, as I have also seen that you have taken others the wrong way.

Golf is a simple game, it's our mind that makes it harder than it needs to be.

The more you are thinking about every concept, swing thought, equipment etc, the less you are thinking about the only important thing....... The target.

I know it is easy to say, but not always easy to execute.

Feel free to tell me to piss off, but my advice would be to think a lot less about everything, and only think about where you want the ball to finish.......

In any event I hope you find your answers if you,continue to seek!

highballin
21st March 2014, 12:15 PM
http://www.rankmark.com/golf-club-reviews/2011/cleveland-cg1-tour-irons/

Why can I hit the 4 iron in this set 180 metres and the 6 iron 155 metres but I can't hit my driver >220m.

DGS300's too.

I just don't get it.

20hcp so flame away.

I hit my irons similar distance to you but driver average would be somewhere around 240-260m.

2 things that were holding back my driver distance were set up i.e. Tilt must be more than with an iron this helps to hit on the up.

The other thing is over the top move by throwing arms at ball instead of letting lower half start the downswing and bring top half with it. I feel like my arms are dragged by my shoulders not the other way round.

Hope this helps don't really know if it is right or wrong but I know the difference in distance when my arms lead the charge and results in a weak fade or slice or any number of outcomes.

Only a chopper but working my way into a reasonable chopper :D

3oneday
21st March 2014, 12:21 PM
AG, I have seen many posts from you where you seem to be waaaaaaayyyyyyyy overthinking things.

I am not having a go here, as I have also seen that you have taken others the wrong way.

Golf is a simple game, it's our mind that makes it harder than it needs to be.

The more you are thinking about every concept, swing thought, equipment etc, the less you are thinking about the only important thing....... The target.

I know it is easy to say, but not always easy to execute.

Feel free to tell me to piss off, but my advice would be to think a lot less about everything, and only think about where you want the ball to finish.......

In any event I hope you find your answers if you,continue to seek!This.

If it takes you a driver to hit it to someone elses 3 iron, who cares, it's about what the end score is. Not how, how many.

I also wouldn't worry about the advice from the gunslingers around here, there's only a dozen or so that play off less than 10.

rubin
21st March 2014, 12:38 PM
To use an example for 3OD's post.

I'm currently off 14 - 15 (course dependant) and can pump the ball out there when i want to.
I have played on occasions with Nuffie - who quite frankly can't. The kids hitting out of his shoes if he gets it to 230/240m.

Nuffie currently plays of 3.

so just to re-iterate:

If it takes you a driver to hit it to someone elses 3 iron, who cares, it's about what the end score is. Not how, how many.
and i'll add to that, not how far.

Dotty
21st March 2014, 12:51 PM
Hello 2BBB partner.

180m + 155m + 155m puts you on a 490m par 5 in three. Two putts for a 5/3 or 5/4.

mrbluu
21st March 2014, 12:54 PM
To use an example for 3OD's post.

I'm currently off 14 - 15 (course dependant) and can pump the ball out there when i want to.
I have played on occasions with Nuffie - who quite frankly can't. The kids hitting out of his shoes if he gets it to 230/240m.

Nuffie currently plays of 3.

so just to re-iterate:

and i'll add to that, not how far.

From what I remember of Nuffie, is this downwind and downhill???

rubin
21st March 2014, 12:57 PM
From what I remember of Nuffie, is this downwind and downhill???

probably. he claims he has picked up a few metres using the sldr

990B Luva
21st March 2014, 01:08 PM
Confidence looking down at the club makes a big difference. I can hit almost any club I'm handed, but my best results come from something I feel confident looking down at, which is why I play blades when I'm playing off 9. If I was as confident standing over a set of players Cavity backs like AP2's, then I'd be playing them. Don't look into distance too much, but more so accuracy. I hit my 4 iron 210/220m, but I also throw myself at alot of shots and hit them as hard as possible. If you feel comfortable, and hit the club well, thats most of the battle won.

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 01:30 PM
AG...have you been tested and fitted? Can be lots of reasons...like you hit down and deloft your irons and do same with driver, when you need to hit up with your driver to get max benefit. Could be reg shafts in irons are too soft (you dont mention accuracy and flight and "bad" shot [hook/fade]), so you over power your irons and then your driver shaft is either too weak (spins too much) and too stiff (low and not enough spin). Could be faulty equipment....can be stacks of reasons, book in to Performance Golf centre or similar and get tested and really find out what is going on....Stu

Retail store fitting which is not really a fitting.

Dispersion with irons is good, bad shot is a hook, standard shot is a pull fade.

Diver is i20 which I understand is a meant to be a low spin head and shaft is pretty stout,

I don't think it's equipment because I have tested numerous driver with same results. It's me.

Captain Nemo
21st March 2014, 01:33 PM
Do you really need to hit the 4 iron?

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=davepuppies;1087481]AG, I have seen many posts from you where you seem to be waaaaaaayyyyyyyy overthinking things.

I am not having a go here, as I have also seen that you have taken others the wrong way.

Feel free to tell me to piss off, but my advice would be to think a lot less about everything, and only think about where you want the ball to finish.......

QUOTE]

I know I'm overthinkinkig things... it's a problem.

I appreciate everyone's feedback and suggestions, I have implemented many of them already.

I'm just frustrated as I feel I should play better than I currently do... I string a few great holes or rounds together and I know the potential is there.

I'm sorry if I have taken comments the wrong way, I have no issues with anyone on here.

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 01:37 PM
I hit my irons similar distance to you but driver average would be somewhere around 240-260m.

2 things that were holding back my driver distance were set up i.e. Tilt must be more than with an iron this helps to hit on the up.

The other thing is over the top move by throwing arms at ball instead of letting lower half start the downswing and bring top half with it. I feel like my arms are dragged by my shoulders not the other way round.

Hope this helps don't really know if it is right or wrong but I know the difference in distance when my arms lead the charge and results in a weak fade or slice or any number of outcomes.

Only a chopper but working my way into a reasonable chopper :D

This is brilliant. Thanks. 240m average would be brilliant. When you say tilt you mean tilt away from target right?

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 01:39 PM
Do you really need to hit the 4 iron?

No.

990B Luva
21st March 2014, 01:40 PM
A Low spin driver will kill distance if you don't have enough spin to keep it in the air. I get away with a low spin head/low spin shaft combination because I hit the ball so hard, imparting as much spin as possible off the club, but it most likely doesnt suit you.

3Puttpete
21st March 2014, 01:46 PM
I'm just frustrated as I feel I should play better than I currently do... I string a few great holes or rounds together and I know the potential is there.


How do you know?

A few holes is a long way from a round. Just because you can run a quick 100m doesn't mean you can run a marathon at the same speed.

Maybe you've reached your level. You might enjoy the game a bit more if you accept it.

highballin
21st March 2014, 01:46 PM
This is brilliant. Thanks. 240m average would be brilliant. When you say tilt you mean tilt away from target right?

If you hold driver in left hand when you put right hand on club below left hand that should naturally tilt your shoulders upwards if you know what I mean. This should be more noticeable than a shorter iron.

This promotes hitting driver on the up. Once again I am only a chopper but I am a bit further down the path than you and not far enough down so I can't remember what it was like. :wink:

Also should add handicap is coming down to a certain extent because I hit driver less and 3wood or hybrid more. When you look at a hole and at 180 to 200mtrs is short of all trouble and you can still make green with iron then why risk it. The longer you hit driver the more bad things come into play on some holes.

But when you have open fairway and no big trouble bang away I say.:D

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 01:58 PM
How do you know?

A few holes is a long way from a round. Just because you can run a quick 100m doesn't mean you can run a marathon at the same speed.

Maybe you've reached your level. You might enjoy the game a bit more if you accept it.

Perhaps/

hocko
21st March 2014, 02:10 PM
180mts with your 4 iron, is that carry or carry and roll?
What loft is your i20 and what shaft is in it?
Hitting your 4 iron 180mts (carry) would mean your swing speed is around 90-95Mph with 5 iron.
With driver it is probably a bit quicker, close to 100Mph.
With the right driver i can't see why you can't reach your target of 240mts

adamsgolfer
21st March 2014, 02:29 PM
It doesn't matter anyway. A handful of the clevelands are going into a sunday bag and I'm just going to go out and smack the shit out of that little white ball from now on.

...and I don't even give a shit that they're blades.

3oneday
21st March 2014, 02:52 PM
Cool, where do you play?

Pieface
21st March 2014, 06:55 PM
240m average...that would pretty comfortably put you in the very top few percentage of people I've ever teed it up with playing public tracks.

With the Nuffie example...Nuffie has a good swing. His drive may not be the longest but he's usually in play and can hit any of the long clubs in his bag with and get up and down with confidence.

That's a lot different to someone (like me) who can occassionally pop one out 250, averages 200 and who's knees knock together if they think about taking anything over 6I for an approach because they don't know where the ball is going to go.

Good swing mechanics will score low more often than not. Lousy swing mechanics...you just pray for those days your timing is on and you play 10 shots lower than your h/c :D