Pis from Willawong range

[terryand]

I think this is why Pete is having trouble.....OPEN YA BLOODY EYES.
This postion is on the way down :?
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7319/img7846medium4bj.jpg

A couple of follow through shots.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6084/img7877medium1dj.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4959/img7881medium7tb.jpg

Just after impact shots.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6587/img7880medium4gt.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1681/img7882medium2vq.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3483/img7891medium1ry.jpg

Lag shots.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5584/img7878medium1nt.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5821/img7888medium4jd.jpg

[Jarro]

Tezza, i never knew Nathan had a baseball grip :?

nice shots too 8)

[terryand]

Tezza, i never knew Nathan had a baseball grip   :?

nice shots too  8)

I thought that too. But I zoomed in and can only see 3 fingers.

Terry.

[peter_rs]

nice pis terry... I'm mean pics :wink:

you had to post that top pic. I told you I didn't want to look because I didn't want to see where the ball went ( It was a trick shot LD swing with a RM :roll: I was suprised how well it went)

So was there lag in that last pic of me. :lol:

So you found a leftie with a nice swing

[terryand]

nice pis terry... I'm mean pics :wink:

you had to post that top pic.  I told you I didn't want to look because I didn't want to see where the ball went ( It was a trick shot LD swing with a RM :roll: I was suprised how well it went)

So was there lag in that last pic of me. :lol:

So you found a leftie with a nice swing

Yeah he's a prodigy of mine. I taught him every thing he knows,you know how it is these young lefties coming up though the club that need someone to look up to :wink:

Terry.

[peter_rs]

so thats what is wrong.... I'm standing on the wrong side of the ball.

[BrisVegas]

Troy (turboalfa) was saying that Nathan's clubhead speed has been measured pretty consistently at 135mph on the QAS launch monitor.

No wonder it seemed so impressive to watch!.

[shazza_rs]

ooi!

Tez, u start the night only taking pics of me and I don't even make the site.....

:cry:

[terryand]

Troy (turboalfa) was saying that Nathan's clubhead speed has been measured pretty consistently at 135mph on the QAS launch monitor.

No wonder it seemed so impressive to watch!.

No wonder I couldn't get the ball in frame like with you powder puffs :wink:

Terry.

[terryand]

ooi!

Tez, u start the night only taking pics of me and I don't even make the site.....

:cry:

there are so many line I could use here :-k But I won't go there :roll:

OK maybe one,I haven't had enough time with those pics in photoshop to put my name on them and post in a forum :lol:

Terry.

[shazza_rs]

nice tez :lol:

its okay, I'm quite happy not to make an appearance.

[terryand]

nice tez   :lol:

its okay, I'm quite happy not to make an appearance.

Give me enough time and I'll make you look like Elle :shock: :wink:

terry.

[terryand]

Or Serena :?

Terry.

[shazza_rs]

if i end up looking like serena I will kick your ar$e!

remember we are playing golf on saturday..... :lol:

[peter_rs]

bring it on.... can't wait for the improvements :D

I mean she is just perfect. :wink:

post the pic to show us what the powder puffs have to match 8)

[Jarro]

nice tez   :lol:

its okay, I'm quite happy not to make an appearance.

Give me enough time and I'll make you look like Elle :shock:  :wink:

terry.

can you make me look like Brad Pitt :?:

[Jono]

Troy (turboalfa) was saying that Nathan's clubhead speed has been measured pretty consistently at 135mph on the QAS launch monitor.

No wonder it seemed so impressive to watch!.

Wow ... that's almost LDA clubhead speed. :shock: He certainly has impressive lag coming into impact. He's giving his left ankle a workout though ... Could do some injury to the ligaments.

Pete. I can see why you tend to hang your drives out to the right. Have a look at your chickenwing in the followthrough. Compare with Bris and Nathan who have their lead elbows tucked and connected. Compare your second photo with the following one of Bris. See how your left elbow is off your chest? As a result, you can see how your clubface is much more open (face looking up) compared to that of Bris (toe pointing up).

Tezza, that's pretty impressive shutter speed. Especially with the lack of light. Not a hint of blurring. Awesome. 8)

[peter_rs]

did any of the close ups of nudgees wedge shots work?

[terryand]

Terry.Jono,because I had the flash on,the shutter speed maxed out at 1/250th of a second.

Pretty cool to that he is swinging that hard in sandshoes too.

Pete,just look at the 2 lag pics and how much fuether back his club head is to yours....Powder puff :wink:

[shazza_rs]

He's giving his left ankle a workout though ... Could do some injury to the ligaments.

surely you mean his right ankle?

[terryand]

did any of the close ups of nudgees wedge shots work?

Yep.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7799/img7859medium1io.jpg

Terry.

[Moe Norman]

is that Nathan Ubergang?

[Jarro]

is that Nathan Ubergang?

yep.

.. and i'm sure that's a baseball grip Tezza :wink:

[peter_rs]

Nice wedge...... I wonder what it is :wink:

I admit I'm a Powder puff when it comes to SS but its my smash factor that helps me at 1.65 (last launchie) its very high from what I have been told. Tour players and LD guys are about 1.4.

If only I didn't like chicken...

I'm working on it. :lol:

[BrisVegas]

1.65 smash factor is extraordinary! Is that even possible? I thought the theoretical maximum was 1.50?? I've never heard of anyone having more than that. Then again I've really only hear the commentators talking about Appleby and how high his was at 1.50. I'm sure there are prob guys on BSG who'd be over 1.50 though! :roll: But then, everyone on BSG carries it 300 yards! :lol:

[peter_rs]

Hend is 1.52
Bubba watson 1.6

I have read the theory was 1.83 Base on a legal club.

[Jarro]

something must be wrong with those figures Peter. :?

you can't have a higher smash factor than a guy that can hit his drive into the carpark on the 18th at Nudgee :shock:

[peter_rs]

smash figures are subjective and can fudged if the lanucher is out.

smash factor does not mean distance. SF +SS = DISTANCE

I have a larger value but hend has 20mph SS on me.

Also his SF I found was based on only avg speeds too, so he has more to burn

[terryand]

is that Nathan Ubergang?

yep.

.. and i'm sure that's a baseball grip Tezza  :wink:

Your right Jarro,I didn't count the finger hiding uder his thumb :oops:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7869/img7888crop3oh.jpg

Terry.

[peter_rs]

good spotting jarro

[BrisVegas]

smash figures are subjective and can fudged if the lanucher is out.

smash factor does not mean distance. SF +SS = DISTANCE



Smash Factor is (for what it's worth :roll: ) :-

Ball Speed / Clubhead Speed, ie. 150 / 100 = 1.5

here's the first article i found on google. There are plenty more...

http://www.golftodaymagazine.com/0405may/golfeqpt1.htm

[peter_rs]

Just so jarro can check the values

Hend SS=128 BS =194 SF= 1.52
bubba SS=127 BS=203 SF=1.6 (6.75* 44" driver)
me SS=105 BS=170 SF =1.65 (drive fitting sessions, results could be wrong but I like them :wink: )

[markTHEblake]

Gee Pete, you go with all that effort and only get 105? :shock:

[CobraSS]

nice cast blakey, never thought of you as a fisherman........... :D

[Jono]

He's giving his left ankle a workout though ... Could do some injury to the ligaments.

surely you mean his right ankle?

Right on, Shazza. :lol:

[Jono]

Just so jarro can check the values

Hend SS=128  BS =194  SF= 1.52
bubba SS=127 BS=203 SF=1.6 (6.75* 44" driver)
me SS=105 BS=170 SF =1.65 (drive fitting sessions, results could be wrong but I like them :wink: )

What machine was used? Vector?

Theoretical limit using a standard driver head with COR of .83 and a standard ball is approx 1.5. If you can get anywhere near this limit, you are doing extremely well.

When I was in the States, I had a go on the Golfsmith's Vector machine. One reading gaving me a smash factor close to 1.5. However, the Vector is known for getting the clubhead speed wrong.

Here's the formula for calculating ball speed (derived from collision equation and the law of conservation of momentum):

v = U * (1 + e) / (1+(m/M))

where

v = velocity of ball just after impact
U = velocity of clubhead just before impact
m = mass of the ball (usually around 45 grams)
M = mass of the clubhead (usually around 200 grams)
e = coefficient of restitution or COR (legal limit 0.83)

You do the maths and you'll see that under ideal conditions, head on collision between the ball and the clubhead would yield a smash factor of 1.5. Given the fact that even the driver head as some loft which produces backspin, you won't be able to achieve this limit ... UNLESS:

a) you are using an illegal driver with COR that is greater than 0.83
b) you are using a light weight ball
c) you are using a heavy driver head.

Hmmm ... I might ask them to check whether your driver is legal next time I play you ... :wink:

[Keza_G]

Hmmm ... I might ask them to check whether your driver is legal next time I play you ...  :wink:

His driver is probably legal Jono, I know one thing for sure...... he aint go nothin on me :D :D :D :D

Maybe he has heavier balls than we think :wink:

Cheers

Keza

[Jarro]

Maybe he has heavier balls than we think  :wink:



you'd probably have to ask Shazza that one :wink:

[BrisVegas]

Kurt(?) Barnes was on the launch monitor as the QAS as well recently and managed 131mph swing speed. And he's generally considered to be freakishly long. Nathan's gonna cause quite a stir if/when he makes it onto the tour. I wish him well. I could watch that effortless swing of his all day!

[peter_rs]

It was the dead solid sytems, in a fitting for a r7 using maxifli black max balls

I have used the Vector it reports the same club head but a ball speed around 160.

MTB thats my "golf swing" with a stock driver...... I got more.... But if you were move flexable you would see my swing is not hard to do or take that much energy at all.

[Jono]

Peter_rs doesn't obey the Laws of Physics. The Laws of Physics obeys Peter_rs.

:wink:

:lol:

[peter_rs]

Jono it was a very simple model that does not tell the whole truth.

My values are probably bullsh!t but are repeatable acrosss machines and I was not the only one with a smash value of 1.5 :wink:

[peter_rs]

Its like saying the model for carry based on SS is accurate (In the link BV posted).


Bottom line:.If your swingspeed is 100 MPH (a good men’s “stiff” swing speed) you probably won’t carry the ball more than 220 yards and almost certainly won’t carry it over 230. If your swingspeed is 90 MPH (men’s “regular”) you should get a blood test if you regularly carry your drives over 210.

carry= 2.2 * SS in mph.  (2.3 for good players)

So I can only carry the ball 231 yards (211 m) you would even be flying me.

Oh and some one tell Scot Hend he cann't hit it that far (well as far as the stats say) because his carry is only 294 yards (268m)

:lol:

you can find a theory for anything. :wink:

and I need to be tested for something :lol:

[macleod]

what about old school "smashed factor", i thought it was calculated on body weight and ABV :D

[Jono]

Pete,

The equation I posted is a derived one from the collision equation. It's based on the law of conservation of momentum. According to this equation, 1.5 smash factor is achieved under IDEAL conditions. Zero loft, no backspin, no sidespin, center hit, etc. So you or I will never achieve this 1.5 SF if we are using 200g driver head with 0.83 COR and a 45 gram ball.

The carry distance forumla you refer to is a very approximate one based on empirical data.

The two examples are very different.

From what I've seen of your swing, I'd estimate your clubhead speed a bit higher than 105mph and your ball speed a bit less than 160mph. Have you had a go on a radar launch monitor? Zelocity is an example. On the whole, I think these are better at estimating clubhead speed and ball speed compared to camera devices such as Vector. The camera device is great for measuring spin rate.

[peter_rs]

I know my example was an extreme but it was a quick example of a simple model, that some believe is true.

The Dead shot system is a laser based system. It monitors the ball and club head as they pass through a "sheet" of laser light.

I would think they are better then radar.

My avg clubhead speed is 110-105 but I can push it 125mph.

Equation is only a approximate. http://probablegolfinstruction.com/golf_club_longest_golf_ball.htm

[Iain]

My avg clubhead speed is 110-105 but I can push it 125mph.


When?

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[shazza_rs]

He doesn't have to wind up his swing to get past you iain. 8)

[Moe Norman]

and Iain doesn't have to wind up his to have a hcp about 8 shots better ](*,)


this tag team stuff is funny

[Iain]

He doesn't have to wind up his swing to get past you iain. 8)

:roll:

[Jarro]

i like ice-cream :smt003

[shazza_rs]

and Iain doesn't have to wind up his to have a hcp about 8 shots better  ](*,)


this tag team stuff is funny

anything you'd like to share with us about yourself and iain?

[BrisVegas]

woah... what'd I miss!?? :lol:

[terryand]

woah... what'd I miss!??  :lol:

Nothin much Vegas,just a heap of threadjacker :evil:

Isn't it amazing how this has turn into another thread about Pete :smt011 :smt013

Terry.

[peter_rs]

not by my choice.... I m just a big target because people don't want to pick on shazza.

[Jarro]

i like beer :smt030