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Shadesy
17th September 2013, 01:53 PM
Golf Details:

Kwinana Golf Club

Price: $39 - includes Green Fees, Carts plus $6 for Novelties.
Time: 1 tee Start at 8am

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However I would like to continue the Matchplay theme and have proposed the following Format based on Home Club Geographical Location:

The Format will be 4bbb and Singles Matchplay with each Match worth 3 points. There is the opportunity for a double point singles matchplay with the numbers (19) that we have. Will SMS want to defend his Title against the Canuck.


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The Order is above. First Tee of is off the First Tee @ 8am.

Go Souths!

LeftyHoges
17th September 2013, 02:01 PM
The South have already got an Order...

What's that based on?

sms316
17th September 2013, 02:07 PM
Will SMS want to defend his Title against the Canuck. Hell yes I will.

Johnny Canuck
17th September 2013, 02:08 PM
Hell yes I will. Shots coming my way.

hocko
17th September 2013, 02:09 PM
What's that based on?

My full understanding of everyone's golf game.

simmsy
17th September 2013, 02:26 PM
Shots coming my way.

Cough......Cough......
ShandyPants.

LeftyHoges
17th September 2013, 02:27 PM
My full understanding of everyone's golf game.

No measure of their ticker?

Johnny Canuck
17th September 2013, 02:40 PM
Cough......Cough......ShandyPants. Says the guy who started physically shaking when I mentioned we should play off the stick. I will have a side match vs Le Garcon du Tourte on my own. It would be doing my team a disservice to give up the shots.

sms316
17th September 2013, 02:47 PM
Shots coming my way. Shots of pro homo injected rectally?

Johnny Canuck
17th September 2013, 02:51 PM
Shots of pro homo injected rectally?Orally. Rectally is a family thing for another OzGolfer.

Mububban
17th September 2013, 03:26 PM
As dedicated chopper of the North, I'm in for this :D Never done anything comp-wise in any form so should be fun.

Is the $30 deposit part of what we've paid already or do we send you that now?

Jeffo1123
17th September 2013, 04:12 PM
Shadesy. If the team of the south ends up one short, I should be able to make it for the Friday round!!!

Johnny Canuck
17th September 2013, 04:19 PM
Shadesy. If the team of the south ends up one short, I should be able to make it for the Friday round!!! We'll make sure you play Ashes, as you each have fantastic front 9s of 5 points to discuss.

idgolfguy
17th September 2013, 04:42 PM
And see eye to eye.

Jeffo1123
17th September 2013, 04:51 PM
We'll make sure you play Ashes, as you each have fantastic front 9s of 5 points to discuss. Done deal. Mind you, ashes front 9 was in beautiful conditions...!But I still had 5 points and that is deplorable.

hocko
17th September 2013, 08:55 PM
I am going to post our side in playing order shortly, this should give 'Nuckbet enough time to come up with odds.

hocko
17th September 2013, 09:07 PM
I am going to post our side in playing order shortly, this should give 'Nuckbet enough time to come up with odds.
1. Canuckles.
2. TWM
3. Lefty
4. Hocko
5. Simmsy
6. Tiger
7. Shadesy
8. Yossarian
9. Jeffo
10. Shorty

hocko
17th September 2013, 09:08 PM
Groups to follow.

Shadesy
17th September 2013, 09:28 PM
Ouch behind Tiger...

Nuffie
17th September 2013, 09:50 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank those who nominated me as captain for team of the North. SMS is likely to play at number 1 and myself possibly at 2 or 3. Can all other Northern players please submit their caps. I'm currently off 5.

Shortylook
17th September 2013, 09:56 PM
Ouch behind Tiger...
Shadesy can you let me know how much I owe for the golf mate and anything else that I haven't payed for please. Just an all up total and ill get it to you.
Cheers mate.
I guess by being on the list I made some sort of a team event too. Whoo hoo :D.Pity about my poor partner :oops:

Shadesy
17th September 2013, 09:59 PM
Shadesy can you let me know how much I owe for the golf mate and anything else that I haven't payed for please. Just an all up total and ill get it to you.
Cheers mate.
I guess by being on the list I made some sort of a team event too. Whoo hoo :D.Pity about my poor partner :oops:

Nothing yet, all golf fees are paid by you on the day.

You probably owe simmsy money for prizes $25 and i'll need some more accommodation money from everyone ($35-$40) next week or so.

Johnny Canuck
17th September 2013, 10:10 PM
1. Canuckles.2. TWM3. Lefty4. Hocko5. Simmsy6. Tiger7. Shadesy8. Yossarian9. Jeffo10. Shorty was chatting to Simmsy tonight. He said he thought a partnership with him and tiger would be unstoppable.

Pieface
17th September 2013, 10:17 PM
Shadesy and Yoss together?

I'm not sure that much ass-slapping will be legal in an AM timeslot.

TourFit
18th September 2013, 08:02 AM
Sorry boys...I'm out.

simmsy
18th September 2013, 08:03 AM
The Friday or the wend?

Why is that?

G.K
18th September 2013, 08:13 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank those who nominated me as captain for team of the North. SMS is likely to play at number 1 and myself possibly at 2 or 3. Can all other Northern players please submit their caps. I'm currently off 5.

Nuffie, or should I say el capitan, I'm still getting my cap sorted. Need to hand in a couple of cards over the next two weeks. But assuming I play relatively consistently compared to my recent social rounds, I reckon I will be off somewhere in the vicinity of 18-20.

And it goes without saying that there will be no manipulation going on in these next couple of rounds;)

Shadesy
18th September 2013, 08:44 AM
Sorry boys...I'm out.

I cannot stress how unhelpful this post is.

Ashes
18th September 2013, 08:53 AM
I cannot stress how unhelpful this post is.

If only there was a legendary golfer ready to step up and take the vacant spot.

Jeffo1123
18th September 2013, 09:08 AM
I cannot stress how unhelpful this post is. He will be back in 2 weeks time with another post to reply.

Shadesy
18th September 2013, 09:32 AM
If only there was a legendary golfer ready to step up and take the vacant spot.

There's not but you'll do...

Which is great news for the prize on offer that was purchased yesterday..

Mububban
18th September 2013, 10:01 AM
can all other northern players please submit their caps. I'm currently off 5.


according to golfshot:
- last 20, +21.1
- last 10, +22.2
- last 5, +18

but those scores were mostly at marangaroo, hill view, hamersley, altone so take that for what it's worth. Shot 100 and 101 on my two trips to vines ellenbrook as a guide for scoring on harder courses.

idgolfguy
18th September 2013, 10:22 AM
North team please send me (PM) your golf link and/or handicaps.

TourFit
18th September 2013, 12:19 PM
The Friday or the wend?

Why is that?

Whole weekend I'm afraid. Can't get the time off for Fri/ Sat...the hazards of the industry and being the newbie.



I cannot stress how unhelpful this post is.

Depends how you look at it. I have evened up the numbers for the N vs S matchplay...



He will be back in 2 weeks time with another post to reply.

You are correct. Something had to give with this new career, and so far, access to OzGolf was it.

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 12:27 PM
Man up, Fit. You work 800 hours a week. You can't take a day and a half of annual leave?

Ashes
18th September 2013, 12:28 PM
I'm looking forward to handing out a drubbing on MP debut.

Shadesy
18th September 2013, 12:33 PM
Whole weekend I'm afraid. Can't get the time off for Fri/ Sat...the hazards of the industry and being the newbie.



This is much more helpful...

I actually need to book numbers and Budget for number of Rooms and Tee times #believeitornot

rubin
18th September 2013, 12:39 PM
I'm looking forward to handing out a drubbing on MP debut.

If nothing else - I admire your confidence.

TourFit
18th September 2013, 12:52 PM
This is much more helpful...

I actually need to book numbers and Budget for number of Rooms and Tee times #believeitornot

Ur welcome!

Mububban
18th September 2013, 01:18 PM
Whole weekend I'm afraid. Can't get the time off for Fri/ Sat...the hazards of the industry and being the newbie.

I hope you're racking up some good sales numbers Fit, shame you can't make it :(

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 01:19 PM
The vending machine guy is racking up record sales.

Ashes
18th September 2013, 01:33 PM
The vending machine guy is racking up record sales.

Did they drop the vending machine on the floor!

rubin
18th September 2013, 01:38 PM
i was in a there a few weeks ago killing time - I thought he had quit as it was so quiet in there.

The floors were sparkling though.......

TourFit
18th September 2013, 03:29 PM
ROFL...

Rolled on floor, lunching

Mububban
18th September 2013, 03:42 PM
ROFL...

Rolled on floor, lunching

Gold

hocko
18th September 2013, 04:38 PM
Final groupings, there will be no changes unless players withdraw.
1. Canuck & Tiger
2. TWM & Shadesy
3. Shorty & Simmsy
4. Jeffo & Lefty
5. Hocko & Yoss

Shortylook
18th September 2013, 05:10 PM
Sorry in advance simmsy

Shadesy
18th September 2013, 05:21 PM
Sorry in advance simmsy

This is funny for so many reasons...

rubin
18th September 2013, 05:22 PM
Sorry in advance simmsy


This is funny for so many reasons...

I was thinking the same thing.

Don't apologise shorty - Simmsy hasn't won an MP match - ever.

simmsy
18th September 2013, 06:40 PM
In OG.

bergsey
18th September 2013, 06:43 PM
Jeffo / Lefty combo will be tough to beat. Others meh

Jeffo1123
18th September 2013, 07:13 PM
Jeffo / Lefty combo will be tough to beat. Others meh Good call! =p

Pencil
18th September 2013, 07:17 PM
I played The Cut a couple of weeks back for the first time. Looked in good pretty good nick.

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 07:21 PM
Jeffo / Lefty combo will be tough to beat. Others meh Tiger Hamilton off 16 is a fantastic partner for this.

TourFit
18th September 2013, 08:01 PM
Someone from the North should hide his meds!

bergsey
18th September 2013, 08:05 PM
Tiger Hamilton off 16 is a fantastic partner for this.

no way!

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 08:08 PM
no way! Double his last champs cap.

Pieface
18th September 2013, 08:35 PM
North should get Nuffield to ask to see tigers golf link card on the 1st tee

rubin
18th September 2013, 08:47 PM
Double his last champs cap.

That's more than double. Last I heard he was off +4.

hocko
18th September 2013, 08:51 PM
That's more than double. Last I heard he was off +4.

:)

Shortylook
18th September 2013, 08:59 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

Don't apologise shorty - Simmsy hasn't won an MP match - ever.
I've never played a MP match ever( btw what is a mp match)

simmsy
18th September 2013, 09:07 PM
start reading and asking questions on here.
also study the course.

one thing i don't do is babysit.

work out which shots you get holes on, work out which holes you want to take driver on.

the game is hard enough for me just thinking about my own shit.

good to have you as a partner shortstack.

Shadesy
18th September 2013, 09:10 PM
I've never played a MP match ever( btw what is a mp match)

Matchplay.

Just have to beat your opponent on each hole.

The best score out of your team counts vs the other team.

Simmsy loves when you take phone calls as you're playing.. It helps him focus in his zone.

rubin
18th September 2013, 09:20 PM
Matchplay.

Just have to beat your opponent on each hole.

The best score out of your team counts vs the other team.

Simmsy loves when you take phone calls as you're playing.. It helps him focus in his zone.

Also, he plays his best golf when u constantly talk during his swing.

In all seriousness, hit up google shorty, start with basic matchplay rules, and work from there.

Shortylook
18th September 2013, 09:24 PM
start reading and asking questions on here.
also study the course.

one thing i don't do is babysit.

work out which shots you get holes on, work out which holes you want to take driver on.

the game is hard enough for me just thinking about my own shit.

good to have you as a partner shortstack.
Check Check and Checked mate. Apps downloaded and games will be played on said courses prior to weekend. Didnt get the mp as match play,but understand now

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 09:38 PM
That's more than double. Last I heard he was off +4.

Pay that.

Snake season! Pay it!



start reading and asking questions on here.
also study the course.

one thing i don't do is babysit.

work out which shots you get holes on, work out which holes you want to take driver on.

the game is hard enough for me just thinking about my own shit.

good to have you as a partner shortstack.

You were paired to give guidance. Help the brother out. It is impossible to work out where he is going to take driver on from Google maps. Personally, I would recommend that the driver stays in the boot of the car for Shorty at The Cut. He might be able to get away with it once or twice on the second half of the front 9 and maybe 14 & 15.

idgolfguy
18th September 2013, 09:42 PM
Learn to hit controlled blocks and punches off the tee is my approach for the Cut.

TourFit
18th September 2013, 09:44 PM
the game is hard enough for me just thinking about my own shit.

No shit

bergsey
18th September 2013, 10:21 PM
Learn to hit controlled blocks and punches off the tee is my approach for the Cut. Rubin prefers windows

Johnny Canuck
18th September 2013, 10:29 PM
Rubin prefers windows

And buttocks.

simmsy
18th September 2013, 10:30 PM
Pygmy Punch will be employed.

bergsey
18th September 2013, 10:51 PM
Donkey Punch ?

Ashes
18th September 2013, 11:01 PM
start reading and asking questions on here.
also study the course.

one thing i don't do is babysit.

work out which shots you get holes on, work out which holes you want to take driver on.

the game is hard enough for me just thinking about my own shit.

good to have you as a partner shortstack.

It's not just golf you have trouble with, is it?

LeftyHoges
18th September 2013, 11:24 PM
Jeffo / Lefty combo will be tough to beat. Others meh

I see Captain Hocko has followed the Confederates school of thought and gone with highs and lows pairs. A very solid tactic that brought home the W 7 months ago.


Good call! =p

Great call. I feel blessed to paired with the gent who 10 months ago I said this about...
Rubin and Jeffo. The purest ball strikers I've seen for 18 'cappers.

My sly tip to take out the trophy.


Simmsy loves when his opponent stripes ball after ball down the fairway with deadly accurate 5 yard baby fade precision...

Such a shame that he won't have an opponent capable of doing that this year.

simmsy
19th September 2013, 08:04 AM
I have a feeling Shorty will be a dynamite partner ready to take the bickies.
I feel TWM has been shafted though.

Johnny Canuck
19th September 2013, 08:10 AM
I have a feeling Shorty will be a dynamite partner ready to take the bickies. I feel TWM has been shafted though.I think he is in for a lot of wandering, looking for balls.

Shortylook
19th September 2013, 08:17 AM
I think he is in for a lot of wandering, looking for balls.
Yea, ill be bringing lots of new balls to the cut and everywhere else we play.

Nuffie
19th September 2013, 08:18 AM
The teams for the North are almost sorted. Just need to consult with my 2IC for some final adjustments.

Shadesy
19th September 2013, 08:34 AM
I think he is in for a lot of wandering, looking for balls.

Simmsy's shoulder is a good place to start.

Johnny Canuck
19th September 2013, 08:48 AM
Simmsy's shoulder is a good place to start. Outstanding.Simmsy's pants aren't a good place to look.

Shortylook
19th September 2013, 08:49 AM
You never know the righty/lefty combo might be a dynamite pair.

Johnny Canuck
19th September 2013, 08:57 AM
You never know the righty/lefty combo might be a dynamite pair. No one is questioning that pairing.

Ashes
19th September 2013, 09:01 AM
The teams for the North are almost sorted. Just need to consult with my 2IC for some final adjustments.

Can't wait Nuff. There are 10 southies shitting their pants at the prospect of having to confront Marilyn at The Cut.

bergsey
19th September 2013, 09:17 AM
Can't wait Nuff. There are 10 southies shitting their pants at the prospect of having to confront Marilyn at The Cut. Plus 9 northies :)

Johnny Canuck
19th September 2013, 09:20 AM
Can't wait Nuff. There are 10 southies shitting their pants at the prospect of having to confront Marilyn at The Cut. As long as they are past the ladies, they'll be safe.

Shadesy
19th September 2013, 09:50 AM
No one is questioning that pairing.

Subtle..8

rubin
19th September 2013, 10:06 AM
Simmsy's shoulder is a good place to start.


Outstanding.Simmsy's pants aren't a good place to look.

I giggled.


You never know the righty/lefty combo might be a dynamite pair.


No one is questioning that pairing.

I have to admit, i didn't quite get the nuance of this until i saw this:
Subtle..8

ROAR!

Jackson
19th September 2013, 11:52 AM
Apologies in advance to my partner!

Mububban
19th September 2013, 12:25 PM
Yea, ill be bringing lots of new balls to the cut and everywhere else we play.

Shorty, not only can we compete as the high handicappers, you and I can also compete to see who manages to lose the least balls over the weekend. I've got 6 dozen balls of varying quality. That should see me through Friday at least :mrgreen:

Shadesy
19th September 2013, 12:40 PM
Shorty, not only can we compete as the high handicappers, you and I can also compete to see who manages to lose the least balls over the weekend. I've got 6 dozen balls of varying quality. That should see me through Friday at least :mrgreen:

I'll need to borrow some...

Pencil
19th September 2013, 04:02 PM
I'll need to borrow some...

Borrowing normally means you'll be giving them back at some point.

simmsy
19th September 2013, 05:02 PM
he's from Rockingham. he borrows cars too.

Shortylook
19th September 2013, 07:15 PM
Shorty, not only can we compete as the high handicappers, you and I can also compete to see who manages to lose the least balls over the weekend. I've got 6 dozen balls of varying quality. That should see me through Friday at least :mrgreen:
Ha is that all your taking. My bag will be that heavy the cart might not get up the hill on the 17th at the cut

TourFit
19th September 2013, 07:41 PM
Ha is that all your taking. My bag will be that heavy the cart might not get up the hill on the 17th at the cut

It'll get over no worries...and end up in the bunker down the left hand side. Next to your tee shots.

bergsey
19th September 2013, 11:36 PM
How we going on the match ups ?

Shadesy
20th September 2013, 11:06 AM
Please see Attached Running Sheet attached here and in the OP.

Please note the requirements to pay before the day, so I will request another $45 from people (plus $40 for Accomm, total $85) in the next few weeks.

After that ALL GREEN FEES ARE PAID PERSONALLY on the day. I will not be taking any money to pay. And you just have to buy beverages and food.

TourFit
20th September 2013, 11:59 AM
Breakfast and buffet lunch included :shock:. No one mentioned THAT!

Might be back in...and bacon & egg baps too. Hope they clean the floor in Lakeview Room. Can you give 'em a call Shadesy?


:lol:

Shadesy
20th September 2013, 01:24 PM
Does anyone even read the OP anymore...

Price: $75 - includes Green Fees, Carts, Breakfast Rolls and Coffees, BBQ Lunch and Novelties.

idgolfguy
20th September 2013, 01:44 PM
Nice work, Shades!

Johnny Canuck
20th September 2013, 01:49 PM
What's a novelty?

Shadesy
20th September 2013, 02:13 PM
What's a novelty?

My handicap

G.K
20th September 2013, 02:17 PM
Do you need our addresses so the bus can pick us all up? Bus arrival of 9.45 may be a little late for the 9am tee time.
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But seriously, love your work Shadesy. Can't wait to get my mouth around some baps before teeing off!

Johnny Canuck
20th September 2013, 02:45 PM
But seriously, love your work Shadesy. Can't wait to get my mouth around some baps before teeing off!

Rubes is out. No baps for you.

rubin
20th September 2013, 03:49 PM
Do you need our addresses so the bus can pick us all up? Bus arrival of 9.45 may be a little late for the 9am tee time.
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But seriously, love your work Shadesy. Can't wait to get my mouth around some baps before teeing off!

I may well be way off the mark here - but i was of the understanding that baps = boobs.


Rubes is out. No baps for you.

So in that case, your still missing out, but thats only cause Tourfit's not gonna be there.

G.K
20th September 2013, 03:49 PM
Damn. I might be out for Friday then.....

I believe you are correct in your assumption Rubes

Johnny Canuck
20th September 2013, 03:52 PM
I don't know what baps are, but I figured it stood for blowjobs and pancakes.

G.K
20th September 2013, 04:09 PM
Who cares what baps are after that suggestion. BJ's and pancakes for all I say!

TourFit
20th September 2013, 06:32 PM
What's a novelty?

You playin' quickly

Johnny Canuck
20th September 2013, 06:41 PM
You playin' quickly Touché

LeftyHoges
20th September 2013, 10:34 PM
What's a novelty?

A Jeffo and Lefty loss. ;-)

Jeffo1123
20th September 2013, 11:25 PM
A Jeffo and Lefty loss. ;-) That would be a real novelty! Novelties don't often happen!!

Ashes
21st September 2013, 06:46 AM
What's a novelty?

Sadly, an Ashes drive that makes it past the ladies.

Johnny Canuck
21st September 2013, 07:04 AM
Like!

Ashes
21st September 2013, 07:12 AM
Sadly, an Ashes drive that makes it past the ladies.


Like!

To be fair, it only happens 80% of the time one first tees, and 10% of the time on other tees. It's not like it happens every hole.

Johnny Canuck
21st September 2013, 07:22 AM
To be fair, it only happens 80% of the time one first tees, and 10% of the time on other tees. It's not like it happens every hole.

If you are the first one to do it on Friday, don't worry about choosing a shirt to wear on Saturday. We've got you covered.

rubin
21st September 2013, 07:42 AM
To be fair, it only happens 80% of the time one first tees, and 10% of the time on other tees. It's not like it happens every hole.

I have a question on your first hole issues:

Has a brief range session prior to tee off worked to solve the problem in the past? I.e knowing you'll hit driver on the first for example, hitting 10-20 driver shots on the range prior to tee off?

TR66
21st September 2013, 08:21 AM
Jeez, you boys are up an about early, Connections close at 10.00pm?

simmsy
21st September 2013, 08:45 AM
Ashes you considered wedge off the first?

Ashes
21st September 2013, 09:26 AM
I have a question on your first hole issues:

Has a brief range session prior to tee off worked to solve the problem in the past? I.e knowing you'll hit driver on the first for example, hitting 10-20 driver shots on the range prior to tee off?

Yep. Didn't make a diff.

Ashes
21st September 2013, 09:26 AM
Ashes you considered wedge off the first?

No, tried 6i but had same issue.

rubin
21st September 2013, 09:41 AM
Putter it is then.

TourFit
21st September 2013, 10:18 AM
Ashes...blame it on the application of sunscreen too close to tee time!

simmsy
21st September 2013, 10:21 AM
Do u really think that will make any difference to his golf game?

TourFit
21st September 2013, 10:25 AM
He has improved a lot from where he was...he is now a true OzGolfer in that he is now coming up with excuses for why he is crap.

Yossarian
21st September 2013, 05:25 PM
Ashes you just need to get shit hammered before you tee off.

Shadesy
21st September 2013, 06:39 PM
Ashes you just need to get shit hammered before you tee off.

Or man up.

But I suppose driving back on Friday night again doesn't allow that to happen.

bergsey
23rd September 2013, 07:26 PM
How's the teams coming along nuffster? we are missing out on valuable sledging time... :)

Nuffie
23rd September 2013, 07:29 PM
Ok here are the pairs for the team of the North. In no particular order we have:

SMS316 & Bergsey
Nuffie (c) & Idgolfguy
TommyG & Ashes
NK & Mubabban
Jackson & G.K.

This is under assumption TourFit is still oot and Ashes is in.

Thanks to Yoss's handy suggestion, Ashes may now get his opportunity to get sh1tfaced - paired with TommyG and overcome his first hole tee shot phobia. That should bring out the best in them.

Ashes
23rd September 2013, 08:07 PM
So when are the match ups being determined?

hocko
23rd September 2013, 08:45 PM
Ok here are the pairs for the team of the North. In no particular order we have:

SMS316 & Bergsey
Nuffie (c) & Idgolfguy
TommyG & Ashes
NK & Mubabban
Jackson & G.K.

This is under assumption TourFit is still oot and Ashes is in.

Thanks to Yoss's handy suggestion, Ashes may now get his opportunity to get sh1tfaced - paired with TommyG and overcome his first hole tee shot phobia. That should bring out the best in them.

No particular order????
FFS! Who's playing who Nuff?

Ashes
23rd September 2013, 08:51 PM
Leave it as named. Matchup from hell for Simmsy.

Johnny Canuck
23rd September 2013, 09:06 PM
No particular order????FFS! Who's playing who Nuff? Last year we did a Ryder Cup style draw. One team nominates a squad, the other says who they are playing & the match ups, & vice versa.

hocko
23rd September 2013, 09:22 PM
Last year we did a Ryder Cup style draw. One team nominates a squad, the other says who they are playing & the match ups, & vice versa.

And?
We have nominated the side.....in order

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 09:56 PM
Final groupings, there will be no changes unless players withdraw.
1. Canuck & Tiger
2. TWM & Shadesy
3. Shorty & Simmsy
4. Jeffo & Lefty
5. Hocko & Yoss

Matchup from Heaven: Canuck/Tiger vs SMS316/Bergsey

bergsey
23rd September 2013, 09:59 PM
Beauty and the beasts...

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:00 PM
Leave it as named. Matchup from hell for Simmsy.
The banter between Tommy and Ashes should keep Simmsy's MP record intact.

Still...we'll wait for Capt Nuff's decision.

Johnny Canuck
23rd September 2013, 10:02 PM
And?We have nominated the side.....in order Last year one team nominated the other chose the match and then they did the reverse. Fwiw, I think the match with Team North America vs Team Burger Pie is perfect.

hocko
23rd September 2013, 10:05 PM
Last year one team nominated the other chose the match and then they did the reverse. Fwiw, I think the match with Team North America vs Team Burger Pie is perfect.

From what I see I would be happy to leave it all as it is.

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:08 PM
Lots to talk about when Team North America lose, especially the rivalry between JC and SMS.
Tiger is going to look at those high draws off the tee from Bergsey and complain about why he is off 19!

hocko
23rd September 2013, 10:09 PM
Lots to talk about when Team North America lose, especially the rivalry between JC and SMS.
Tiger is going to look at those high draws off the tee from Bergsey and complain about why he is off 19!

Is that what you call shanks these days?

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:10 PM
My thought would be Nuffie and I to play Jeffo and Lefty.

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:13 PM
Is that what you call shanks these days?
Hopefully, Tiger will be able to putt without one after he helicopters it after fifth hole.

bergsey
23rd September 2013, 10:17 PM
Remember Tiger is off 16 now. I'd also have to prepare to play against at least 4 different players...

Johnny Canuck
23rd September 2013, 10:17 PM
Lots to talk about when Team North America lose, especially the rivalry between JC and SMS.Tiger is going to look at those high draws off the tee from Bergsey and complain about why he is off 19! Tiger and I have never lost a match play. We won't be starting now.

LeftyHoges
23rd September 2013, 10:21 PM
My thought would be Nuffie and I to play Jeffo and Lefty.

Sacrificial lambs?

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:25 PM
Sacrificial lambs?
Nuffie off 5, me off 12, I expect we'd get shots.

You're right.

LeftyHoges
23rd September 2013, 10:30 PM
Nuffie off 5, me off 12, I expect we'd get shots.

You're right.

Giving 2 to Nuff and 9 to you. 9 to Jeffy as well?

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:41 PM
I'm confident enough to say that I enjoy the Cut and would have the match if it is between Jeffo and me. I don't often lose matchplay to players with better handicaps.

Playing the Cut and giving me 9 strokes - well dressed lamb.

... Nuff ain't no slouch either.

idgolfguy
23rd September 2013, 10:43 PM
Double-post.

Anybody know of a way we can get the Golflink handicaps next to each player?

Jeffo1123
23rd September 2013, 10:53 PM
Giving 2 to Nuff and 9 to you. 9 to Jeffy as well? I'm currently 12.5 so planning on being back off 12 by the time this comes around!

simmsy
23rd September 2013, 11:05 PM
U stay on 13 young fella.

Jeffo1123
23rd September 2013, 11:20 PM
U stay on 13 young fella. That's what I was thinking. Unfortunately going to be struggling to add any on in the next 3 weeks.

Nuffie
23rd September 2013, 11:35 PM
Alright players (I feel like Vince McMahon on WWE calling his matchups): Due to popular demand, I bring to you the following matches...

1. SMS316 (2?) & Bergsey (19) vs JC (4) & Tiger (16)

2. Nuffie (5) & Idgolfguy (12) vs Lefty (3) & Jeffo (13)

3. TommyG (9?) & Ashes (21?) vs Simmsy (10?) & Shorty (20?)

4. NK (10) & Mubabban (19) vs Hocko (6?) & Yoss (12?)

5. G.K. (19) & Jackson (30) vs TWM (6?) & Shadesy (9?)

SO ITS ON... like Donkey Kong!

These caps are approximate and can be corrected closer to the date.

Ashes
24th September 2013, 07:28 AM
Looking forward to picking Simmsy's brain on match play rules, course management, rangefinder distances etc during the round.

Even happier to be playing off 21, very generous thanks Nuff!

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 07:51 AM
I've somehow snuck back to 10...

simmsy
24th September 2013, 08:18 AM
Me too.

Who drew the matches?

I hope it wasn't Nuffie on his own in a dark room.

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 08:43 AM
No way I am giving Jackson 20 shots. No official handicap maximum is 18.

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 08:45 AM
Looking forward to picking Simmsy's brain on match play rules, course management, rangefinder distances etc during the round. Even happier to be playing off 21, very generous thanks Nuff!

He won't mind if you can call work every know and again either.

Jackson
24th September 2013, 08:48 AM
No way I am giving Jackson 20 shots. No official handicap maximum is 18.

You could probably give me 25 and still win the way Im playing atm.

simmsy
24th September 2013, 08:48 AM
Atleast I won't run out of sunscreen

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 09:02 AM
Too bad you can't stock up on patience.

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 09:09 AM
Me too.
Who drew the matches?
I hope it wasn't Nuffie on his own in a dark room.
I thought three of the five matches were obvious.

simmsy
24th September 2013, 09:40 AM
What I'm meaning was I miss the drama of the live draw that we have had in previous years.

Who drew the southies team? Captn Hocko?

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:41 AM
What I'm meaning was I miss the drama of the live draw that we have had in previous years.

Who drew the southies team? Captn Hocko?

Yes

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:44 AM
Am I supposed to nominate matches now?

simmsy
24th September 2013, 09:48 AM
That's what I was meaning. Who drew the matches?

All seems very cloak & dagger style going on here.

I mean it's not very fair on JC to get the easy match is it now. :)

Him being on 6 now and all.

Mububban
24th September 2013, 10:09 AM
Alright players (I feel like Vince McMahon on WWE calling his matchups): Due to popular demand, I bring to you the following matches...

1. SMS316 (2?) & Bergsey (19) vs JC (4) & Tiger (16)

2. Nuffie (5) & Idgolfguy (12) vs Lefty (3) & Jeffo (13)

3. TommyG (9?) & Ashes (21?) vs Simmsy (10?) & Shorty (20?)

4. NK (10) & Mubabban (19) vs Hocko (6?) & Yoss (12?)

5. G.K. (19) & Jackson (30) vs TWM (6?) & Shadesy (9?)

SO ITS ON... like Donkey Kong!

These caps are approximate and can be corrected closer to the date.

19 eh? I reckon I could shoot low 90s at a chopper course with friendly rough and no bunkers, guess we'll have to see how I fare at these hard arse courses :mrgreen: As I've said, my weekend goal is to not go over 100 on any round of 18. But I am not a betting man before anyone asks :)


No way I am giving Jackson 20 shots. No official handicap maximum is 18.

Not looking good for us Jacko hahaha

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 10:10 AM
Is JC on 6?

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 10:11 AM
19 eh? I reckon I could shoot low 90s at a chopper course with friendly rough and no bunkers, guess we'll have to see how I fare at these hard arse courses :mrgreen: As I've said, my weekend goal is to not go over 100 on any round of 18. But I am not a betting man before anyone asks :)

Not looking good for us Jacko hahaha
It's Matchplay - overall score doesn't count - just have to win more holes than your opponent.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 10:22 AM
Is JC on 6? 4

LeftyHoges
24th September 2013, 10:29 AM
Better practice so I can get up to flusher status and distract Nuffie a la Jack last year.

G.K
24th September 2013, 10:30 AM
You could probably give me 25 and still win the way Im playing atm.

C'mon Jackson. Have some confidence my man. With the amount of strokes we will get between us, we should be a shoe in for a win on the Friday. Just play your usual game and try not to think about what the others are doing. All the pressure will be on our opponents not wanting to lose to a couple of choppers!

Go Yoss!

Wait......what?

I mean GO NORTHIES!

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 10:37 AM
Anyone who has seen my GL lately will be fancying their chances against me.

hocko
24th September 2013, 10:37 AM
Nobody is playing off 30!

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 10:39 AM
The Cut is a great leveller. Play to the shots you have - it is not about making gross Par.

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 10:40 AM
Nobody is playing off 30!
For the North team, who doesn't have a Golflink handicap?

Mububban
24th September 2013, 10:46 AM
For the North team, who doesn't have a Golflink handicap?

Me. I'm only a casual player, no club or handicap. I keep my scorecards in Golfshot though so you can go through that if you like.

I'm looking forward to playing with some better players over the weekend. Best player I've grouped with so far was off 6 at the Vines, his iron shots made an awesome hiss. And geez he could belt his driver too :)

rubin
24th September 2013, 10:46 AM
For the North team, who doesn't have a Golflink handicap?

in recent years, i believe the most recent scores have been put forward and the *comittee* has advised the cap for the weekend.

For what its worth, i think that if you don't have a cap, you play off what the same as the highest marker in the field (i.e 20ish?)

G.K
24th September 2013, 10:46 AM
For the North team, who doesn't have a Golflink handicap?

Me. However I will be handing in my third card this weekend so all being well a Golflink cap should be in place prior to champs weekend.

LeftyHoges
24th September 2013, 10:48 AM
The Cut is a great leveller. Play to the shots you have - it is not about making gross Par.

It is for some! ;-)

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 10:53 AM
Can't help those who are too good for their own benefit!

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 10:55 AM
Can't help those who are too good for their own benefit! Rubes is out.

Jackson
24th September 2013, 10:57 AM
Nobody is playing off 30!

Im happy to play off whatever people agree, keep in mind though Im off 30 for a reason, I'm only a beginner and yet to shoot under 100 in a comp round. Im just looking forward to playing on some good courses and hopefully learning a bit from some better players, not worried about where I finish in the standings.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 10:59 AM
in recent years, i believe the most recent scores have been put forward and the *comittee* has advised the cap for the weekend.For what its worth, i think that if you don't have a cap, you play off what the same as the highest marker in the field (i.e 20ish?)We aren't telling you how to build your float...

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 11:33 AM
Im happy to play off whatever people agree, keep in mind though Im off 30 for a reason, I'm only a beginner and yet to shoot under 100 in a comp round. Im just looking forward to playing on some good courses and hopefully learning a bit from some better players, not worried about where I finish in the standings.

if its an official handicap through Golflink then no worries Jackson?

Pieface
24th September 2013, 11:50 AM
Im happy to play off whatever people agree, keep in mind though Im off 30 for a reason, I'm only a beginner and yet to shoot under 100 in a comp round. Im just looking forward to playing on some good courses and hopefully learning a bit from some better players, not worried about where I finish in the standings.

Don't worry Jackson. Everybody south of 18 seems to get hissy about handicaps and matchplay around here.

As Slim says, if it is a GL everyone can kiss your ass and hand over the strokes :)

idgolfguy
24th September 2013, 11:54 AM
As Slim says, if it is a GL everyone can kiss your ass and hand over the strokes :)
Perfectly articulated, PF.

Shortylook
24th September 2013, 12:08 PM
Im happy to play off whatever people agree, keep in mind though Im off 30 for a reason, I'm only a beginner and yet to shoot under 100 in a comp round. Im just looking forward to playing on some good courses and hopefully learning a bit from some better players, not worried about where I finish in the standings.
Don't worry mate, my home track is sand greens. Wait till you see me try and put on grass greens,should be a great laugh. My short game will kill me, we chip and run a home. Wedges to the green will be quite a site as well :oops:
Btw I'm off 21.0 ATM.

simmsy
24th September 2013, 12:44 PM
chip'n'run will see you do well at the cut and SH Shorty no worries there mate.

guys like Ashes are more accustomed to the drive'n'run(after the ball before someone sees it landed short of the ladies)


Ashes will shit himself at the though of having to give you 3 shots as well.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 12:56 PM
Ashes will shit himself when he sees the shirt he will have to wear when not making the ladies.

rubin
24th September 2013, 12:58 PM
Ashes will shit himself when he sees the shirt he will have to wear when not making the ladies.

whatever the groupings are for saturday - please make ashes in the first.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 01:00 PM
whatever the groupings are for saturday - please make ashes in the first. First group on Friday!

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 01:11 PM
whatever the groupings are for saturday - please make ashes in the first.

Way ahead of you!

Ashes
24th September 2013, 01:13 PM
I was first off at champs last year. My drive, whilst not getting airborne, still managed to make it at least 20m past the ladies.

Jackson
24th September 2013, 01:33 PM
if its an official handicap through Golflink then no worries Jackson?

Yep its an official gl handicap, unfortunately...
Have booked some lessons with Brad Parker over at wembley so will hopefully get it a bit lower before champs.

rubin
24th September 2013, 01:40 PM
Way ahead of you!

he's going to be in the first on Sunday anyway......

Shortylook
24th September 2013, 02:00 PM
What's the fine for not making the ladies. will the 3 shots work that a par 4 I get a a/s for my 7 to his 5

Shortylook
24th September 2013, 02:01 PM
Yep its an official gl handicap, unfortunately...
Have booked some lessons with Brad Parker over at wembley so will hopefully get it a bit lower before champs.
Just seen your cap, don't worry I'll play to above that I bet. We can have a side bet if you like, I'm sure me and Mububban will be

Jackson
24th September 2013, 02:03 PM
So what are you off Jacko, from some of the caps that have been posted I'm second highest I think

Off 30 at the moment.

Ashes
24th September 2013, 02:05 PM
What's the fine for not making the ladies. will the 3 shots work that a par 4 I get a a/s for my 7 to his 5

For MP you only worry about the diff.

So you'll get a shot on 3 holes. I think it's the three hardest but not certain on MP.

rubin
24th September 2013, 02:07 PM
For MP you only worry about the diff.

So you'll get a shot on 3 holes. I think it's the three hardest but not certain on MP.

this.

its the three hardest index holes, unless there is an MP index (i'm not sure at the cut).

simmsy
24th September 2013, 03:07 PM
just had a look, no MP on their cards.

Ashes
24th September 2013, 03:10 PM
just had a look, no MP on their cards.

What are the top 3 holes on index out of curiosity?

rubin
24th September 2013, 03:12 PM
What are the top 3 holes on index out of curiosity?

8, 10 and 12.

8's a good one with the right hand side out of play.

10 is a shocking hole, (like the majority of the back 9). At least 12 has a view.

LeftyHoges
24th September 2013, 03:15 PM
8, 10 and 12.

8's a good one with the right hand side out of play.

10 is a shocking hole, (like the majority of the back 9). At least 12 has a view.

Was just looking at the online course guide, thinking "It looks tight, but at least it's not long..."

And then I got to 10. And further.

WTF!?

Are the two lengths of the nines 2800m and 3400m?

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 03:20 PM
12 is the best par 4 in WA.

rubin
24th September 2013, 03:21 PM
of the blues, its at a tick over 6k.

simmsy
24th September 2013, 03:24 PM
here tis....

G.K
24th September 2013, 03:25 PM
See the link below from their website. I think the MP index is at bottom of the first page. Also has the scorecard on the second page.

http://www.the-cut.com.au/images/docs/18-hole-score-card-2012.pdf

simmsy
24th September 2013, 03:25 PM
very close in yardage front and back

simmsy
24th September 2013, 03:25 PM
yep that's the MP

LeftyHoges
24th September 2013, 03:30 PM
here tis....

They can't add up. The front nine off the blacks is 3199m.

So we're playing the blues?

Ashes
24th September 2013, 03:31 PM
I reckon one of my topped drives is just about the perfect play on 17.

10 and 12 killed me on my only individual round there (have played it a few times on corporate).

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 03:36 PM
Was just looking at the online course guide, thinking "It looks tight, but at least it's not long..."

And then I got to 10. And further.

WTF!?

Are the two lengths of the nines 2800m and 3400m?

The Front 9 is a doddle, Short and a little bit boring. 8 is a monster though. Yoss hit Driver Driver once to a foot.

10 is a really good hole now Rubes, They have cut down the stuff on the right side, which makes it easier to approach from the fairway. I would lvoe to enjoy 12, but I never play it well, 13 and 14 are great as well.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 03:37 PM
The Front 9 is a doddle, Short and a little bit boring. 8 is a monster though. Yoss hit Driver Driver once to a foot.10 is a really good hole now Rubes, They have cut down the stuff on the right side, which makes it easier to approach from the fairway. I would lvoe to enjoy 12, but I never play it well, 13 and 14 are great as well. didn't he miss the putt as well?

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 03:49 PM
didn't he miss the putt as well?

It was a nice par.

Yossarian
24th September 2013, 04:06 PM
8 is a pig. 10 is a good hole.


12 is the best par 4 in WA.

Best looking maybe.

Pieface
24th September 2013, 04:08 PM
I like 12...

Well I like watching TF have to open a new sleeve of balls to get off the tee on 12 :lol:

simmsy
24th September 2013, 04:09 PM
you playing on this weekend princess, or you have to do the ironing?

simmsy
24th September 2013, 04:11 PM
They can't add up. The front nine off the blacks is 3199m.

So we're playing the blues?

matchplay,
decide within your group. atleast with no cosmo we don't have the red, white, blue argument this year.

simmsy
24th September 2013, 04:11 PM
speaking of which, where is she? needs to get the naga gear to me, or someone.




if only tourfit was playing.

LeftyHoges
24th September 2013, 04:13 PM
matchplay,
decide within your group. atleast with no cosmo we don't have the red, white, blue argument this year.

Interesting.

I say we take em off the blacks Jeffo!

I'm assuming it's generally pretty windy there?

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 04:16 PM
matchplay,
decide within your group. atleast with no cosmo we don't have the red, white, blue argument this year.

Captains Choice for the entire field.

rubin
24th September 2013, 04:16 PM
Interesting.

I say we take em off the blacks Jeffo!

I'm assuming it's generally pretty windy there?

you could say that.......

Pieface
24th September 2013, 04:22 PM
Interesting.

I say we take em off the blacks Jeffo!

I'm assuming it's generally pretty windy there?

Downgraded to category two with 'Fitty out of action.

Pieface
24th September 2013, 04:23 PM
you playing on this weekend princess, or you have to do the ironing?

I hoped to come to Friday but I have a corporate day at Joondy on the Thursday and can't take the piss with Friday off too :(

Saturday and Sunday I'll be flat out ironing - good pick up!

simmsy
24th September 2013, 04:26 PM
disappoint.

can't you even do an Ashes?

Pieface
24th September 2013, 04:31 PM
Sorry, too much melanin for that.

Jeffo1123
24th September 2013, 06:50 PM
Interesting.I say we take em off the blacks Jeffo!I'm assuming it's generally pretty windy there? Sounds good to me. The one time I've played there I was blessed with a beautiful day. Hopefully get the same!

bergsey
24th September 2013, 06:54 PM
Weather conditions on the day may dictate. I played it once in a howling easterly (non prevailing wind) that made things interesting...

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 07:34 PM
Ok, to clarify the way the matches were selected, yes I nominated them last night due to numerous requests to have them finalised.

Referring to id's earlier comment, three potential matches were discussed by a few guys and as the anticipation of them happening created a bit of excitement, I decided it was best to go with those and then set up the other two matches.

But as is inevitably the case if the whole selection is not done randomly, it leaves the situation open to speculation that some matches may be set up strategically.

So, I propose this - As Ozgolf should be about fun golf, whilst quite often meeting/having a round with different ozgolfers (what I mean is ones that people dont always golf with) AND if anyone or any team wins something, then its a great bonus:

The North and South teams are already chosen.

In the spirit of this theme, I reckon we should randomly pick pairs AND then randomly pick matches.

This removes any potential for parties to infer that matches are set up strategically.

We could get some crazy matchups. But hey, lets make it more fun and fair if that's what the contingent prefers.

Johnny Canuck
24th September 2013, 07:48 PM
The matches are fine Nuff. You are over thinking it.

Start working on your team pre game speech.

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 07:55 PM
The matches are fine Nuff. You are over thinking it.

Start working on your team pre game speech.

Wasn't attempting to overthink the matchup process. Just trying to get everyone on board and make it fairest for everyone, based on feedback.

My speeches are pretty low key these days. A very LONG 21st bday speech changed all that :)

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 07:55 PM
I'll ask Ricky

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 08:06 PM
Twice

TourFit
24th September 2013, 08:09 PM
if only tourfit was playing.

You don't really mean that.

hocko
24th September 2013, 08:50 PM
Ok, to clarify the way the matches were selected, yes I nominated them last night due to numerous requests to have them finalised.

Referring to id's earlier comment, three potential matches were discussed by a few guys and as the anticipation of them happening created a bit of excitement, I decided it was best to go with those and then set up the other two matches.

But as is inevitably the case if the whole selection is not done randomly, it leaves the situation open to speculation that some matches may be set up strategically.

So, I propose this - As Ozgolf should be about fun golf, whilst quite often meeting/having a round with different ozgolfers (what I mean is ones that people dont always golf with) AND if anyone or any team wins something, then its a great bonus:

The North and South teams are already chosen.

In the spirit of this theme, I reckon we should randomly pick pairs AND then randomly pick matches.

This removes any potential for parties to infer that matches are set up strategically.

We could get some crazy matchups. But hey, lets make it more fun and fair if that's what the contingent prefers.

That's fine Nuff. The only match up that shouldn't change is the pie eater and the Alaskan.
You put all the Northerners in a hat, I will do the same for the better players, I mean the Southies and draw one out at a time and then we'll publish them.

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 09:11 PM
That's fine Nuff. The only match up that shouldn't change is the pie eater and the Alaskan.
You put all the Northerners in a hat, I will do the same for the better players, I mean the Southies and draw one out at a time and then we'll publish them.

Alright, lets do it.

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 09:44 PM
First pick for Team of the North is G.K.

note sms's matchup vs JC is already set.

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:45 PM
First pick for Team of the North is G.K.

Simmsy

Shadesy
24th September 2013, 09:51 PM
Simmsy

1 down early

simmsy
24th September 2013, 09:54 PM
Lets hope your not the next match then

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 09:55 PM
2nd pick: Bergsey

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:55 PM
2nd pick: Bergsey

Tiger

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 09:57 PM
3rd pick: NK

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:57 PM
3rd pick: NK

Hocko

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 09:59 PM
4th pick: Ashes

hocko
24th September 2013, 09:59 PM
4th pick: Ashes

Leftyhoges

Nuffie
24th September 2013, 10:01 PM
5th pick: Me

hocko
24th September 2013, 10:02 PM
5th pick: Me

Shorty