If you're ever the last person to see someone alive ...

[TheTrueReview]

... be afraid & get yourself a lawyer quick smart because you'll be suspect No. 1.

For anyone following the disappearance of Allison Baden-Clay in Brisbane, hubby Gerard (last person to see her alive) has had a lot of attention & visits from the boys in blue. Although only referred to as a "person of interest", it's obvious that good ole Gerard is firmly in their sights. It'll be interesting how this one plays out ...


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/04/27/1226340/190320-gerard-baden-clay.jpghttp://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/04/27/1226340/437103-allison-baden-clay.jpg

[Johnny Canuck]

Makes sense.

[TheTrueReview]

Makes sense.

Imagine if your wife goes for a jog & doesn't return.

[sms316]

Imagine if your wife goes for a jog & doesn't return. I have imagined this once or twice.

[Johnny Canuck]

I imagine that excuse has been used many times before as well by husbands. Should they have not been suspects?

Love your work SMS.

[AndyP]

As far as we know there are no other suspects, so that automatically makes him #1.

[jaybam]

What about his mistress?

[TheTrueReview]

Its all good food for thought. I only started the thread to prompt thought and discussion. It'd be a terrible feeling to be suspect no. 1.

[Yossarian]

Unless you know you deserve to be suspect #1?

[TheTrueReview]

Unless you know you deserve to be suspect #1?

Then it would be worse.

[PerryGroves]

Could this be Jnr Moons work?

[BrisVegas]

I wouldn't let my wife go for a jog at 10pm around the bush in Brookfield. Seems odd behaviour.

[Webster]

His wife looks very pale.

[TheTrueReview]

... Seems odd behaviour.

There are stacks of odd people out there. Does it make them a killer?

[Johnny Canuck]

There are stacks of odd people out there. Does it make them a killer? I am glad you are not in law enforcement. Your argument is pointless.

[TheTrueReview]

I am glad you are not in law enforcement.

I used to be. You're not the only one who's glad.



... Your argument is pointless.

It was an exercise of reasoning. Odd behaviour is engaged in by law breakers and non law breakers. Odd behaviour is determinative of nothing.

Btw, this guy may be the killer. He may not. Time may tell.

[Haystacks]

His wife looks very pale.

...and how did she disappear when there's a walloper sitting there watching her?

[Dude, Where's my Par?]

I have him pinged as guilty. To be honest I have not seen a lot of the coverage but in other cases of disappearance the husband/wife/mother/closest family member (read: killer) has waited a few days then come out and emotionally, publicly called for their safe return... bingo! Killer right there
Dude QC, I rest my case.

[PeteyD]

Except he did this straight away.

[Dude, Where's my Par?]

did he?
bugger, I thought I had heard that it wasn't that soon...


let him go now, he is all clear

[BrisVegas]

There are stacks of odd people out there. Does it make them a killer?

I was talking about the wife's behavious in heading out for a run at 10pm... Not that it matters, Dude Where's my Par has already solved the case.

[dave1]

Hes not a killer untill a court of law says so or he confesses to police.

Innocent till proven guilty - this isnt mexico!

Thankfully our legal system is like that!

[Dude, Where's my Par?]

I was talking about the wife's behavious in heading out for a run at 10pm... Not that it matters, Dude Where's my Par has already solved the case.

no, we'll have to undo the noose knot, I was wrong.
My vital single one piece of information was proven to be false

[sms316]

What's replacing this?

[Dude, Where's my Par?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRSXULdJw4

[TheTrueReview]

What's replacing this?

Steady on. We haven't caught the killer yet.

[Dcanto]

It was Colonel Mustard.

[AndyP]

Except he did this straight away.It is reported that he notified the police in the morning when he woke up.

[Eldrick]

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Cq_Cz/CSI_Miami/csi-miami.jpg

ill take it from here

YEAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sms316]

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Cq_Cz/CSI_Miami/csi-miami.jpgill take it from hereYEAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMegaWatty?

[Dude, Where's my Par?]

It is reported that he notified the police in the morning when he woke up.

yeah my theory still can include them going to the Police straight away, but the passionate, emotional plea - if it is a couple days later, bang lock em up!
History show it to be true, I can think of at least one example where that happened, it was either that or I saw it on a TV show

[PeteyD]

Curse you historic precedent

[TheTrueReview]

yeah my theory still can include them going to the Police straight away, but the passionate, emotional plea - if it is a couple days later, bang lock em up!
History show it to be true, I can think of at least one example where that happened, it was either that or I saw it on a TV show

I dig, Dude. I dig it.

http://www.chezgrae.com/modsquad/images/indexall4.jpg

[TheNuclearOne]

Neighbours reported hearing what sounded like arguing from the family home on Brookfield Rd at Brookfield not long before she disappeared about 10pm on Thursday, April 19.


Now this by no means puts him guilty, but it sure as heck makes him a very serious person of interest.

[WBennett]

Only one man is up for this job

16612

[TheTrueReview]

Now this by no means puts him guilty, but it sure as heck makes him a very serious person of interest.

Similar situation to the Brisbane southside wife disappearance of about 5 or so years ago. Neighbours hear flaming argument, which was apparently after the family accountant informed woman of the sorry state of her husband's finances. Later wife's car found at car park of train or bus station. Local plods let husband retrieve car before it was examined. Husband then promptly cleans & vacuums car. Husband denies crime but then a few years later hangs himself & suicide note says something like "sorry".

[TheNuclearOne]

Similar situation to the Brisbane southside wife disappearance of about 5 or so years ago. Neighbours hear flaming argument, which was apparently after the family accountant informed woman of the sorry state of her husband's finances. Later wife's car found at car park of train or bus station. Local plods let husband retrieve car before it was examined. Husband then promptly cleans & vacuums car. Husband denies crime but then a few years later hangs himself & suicide note says something like "sorry".

Classic story, and unbelievable mistake.

[Webster]

I'd love to be the last person to see Matthew Newton alive.

[kingslayer33]

Only one man is up for this job16612 Bargearse would have solved this and been to the pub for a round or three already benno!

[Eag's]

I wouldn't let my wife go for a jog at 10pm around the bush in Brookfield. Seems odd behaviour.

Spot on Dion, no way in hell would I let my wife go for a jog by herself at any time, let alone at 10pm.

[matty]

The boys already know if he is the killer. They're just building their case.

[TheNuclearOne]

I'll be shocked if the hubby isn't pinned for this.

[Dotty]

Pin it on the hyphen.

It keeps the taxpayers happy.

[TheNuclearOne]

Posted this in the wrong thread. Now we see the reason for the police urgency and big numbers.

http://www.news.com.au/national/screams-woke-neighbours-the-night-allison-baden-clay-vanished/story-e6frfkvr-1226341708599

[TheTrueReview]

Posted this in the wrong thread. Now we see the reason for the police urgency and big numbers.

http://www.news.com.au/national/screams-woke-neighbours-the-night-allison-baden-clay-vanished/story-e6frfkvr-1226341708599


If she is found alive -> great outcome. If she is found dead -> forensic bonanza (usually).

[Daves]

Posted this in the wrong thread. Now we see the reason for the police urgency and big numbers.

http://www.news.com.au/national/screams-woke-neighbours-the-night-allison-baden-clay-vanished/story-e6frfkvr-1226341708599

Seems to be some doubt on that now. Saw an interview tonight with one of said neighbours, who suggested the scream belonged to a teen neighbour, not the missing women. Statistically, the hubby/partner usually turns out to be the perp in a reasonable percentage of these cases. But I do worry that the populace, feed by the media, tend to jump to conclusions of guilt and then back fill to suit.

[PeteyD]

Trial By Media, never happen in this enlightened country ...

[TheTrueReview]

... Statistically, the hubby/partner usually turns out to be the perp in a reasonable percentage of these cases. But I do worry that the populace, feed by the media, tend to jump to conclusions of guilt and then back fill to suit.

Or turns out to be the one charged. Yep, the media have an interest to keep "the story" going.

Human nature hasn't changed much since the days of the village square.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzQ0sgsa6fvVDWVHDmxfprnEQ6-__tDkbSaKYkVt-6iGopa5FHc8jEIG4kag

[PeteyD]

Lynch Mob time!

[TheTrueReview]

Body found @ Mt Crosby.

Body found as search for missing woman Allison Baden-Clay enters 11th day (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/body-found-as-search-for-missing-woman-allison-baden-clay-enters-11th-day/story-e6freoof-1226342625074)

[TheTrueReview]

"Besides Mr Baden-Clay, investigators have interviewed "numerous" family and friends, including extensive questioning of a woman who had worked under Mr Baden-Clay at his prominent Century 21 franchise."

Okay, who can smell an angle of an office affair (as a motive) being worked?

The "non-person of interest", "non suspect's" staff list (http://www.century21.com.au/westside/real-estate-agents/).

[TheNuclearOne]

The affair came out last Saturday apparently.

[TheNuclearOne]

The noose gets a teeny bit tighter. Hopefully it's just a matter of time.

http://www.news.com.au/national/horrific-end-hope-turns-to-heartbreak-as-search-for-killer-begins/story-e6frfkvr-1226343136055

[Jarro]

The noose gets a teeny bit tighter. Hopefully it's just a matter of time.

http://www.news.com.au/national/horrific-end-hope-turns-to-heartbreak-as-search-for-killer-begins/story-e6frfkvr-1226343136055

Yep, not looking good for old mate now.

I wonder what the real story behind it all will be like ?

[jaybam]

The worst part about this whole story is someone has robbed three young girls of their mother. Disgusting.

[Jarro]

The worst part about this whole story is someone has robbed three young girls of their mother. Disgusting.

I agree mate.

It's hard to imagine what it'll be like for those young girls to go through life without their Mum....

... and possibly their Dad :mad:

[TheTrueReview]

Yep, not looking good for old mate now. ...

In keeping with the 1 degree of separation, I just realised that I sat beside Baden-Clay at a Kenmore Chamber of Commerce breakfast in 2004. I even found the photo of him & I at the breakfast that was published in the local rag. He had just started his real estate business then. If only I had had a crystal ball that I could've loaned him ...

[dave1]

Im disturbed as to why people think he did it!

With pure speculation. He might guilty but geeze people just let it play out hey.

Hes 100% innocent till proven otherwise.

[Johnny Canuck]

I'd say about 94% guilty.

[sms316]

I'm waiting for Bruce Morcombe to somehow get involved.

[TheNuclearOne]

Im disturbed as to why people think he did it!

With pure speculation. He might guilty but geeze people just let it play out hey.

Hes 100% innocent till proven otherwise.

I'm got some prime real estate in The Glades Dave. I reckon you'd be a fine candidate to buy it.

[TheTrueReview]

I'm waiting for Bruce Morcombe to somehow get involved.

He has. He's declared a Fatwa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwā) on you.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201104/r747612_6171038.jpg

[Steve57]

http://www.news.com.au/national/hope-turns-to-heartbreak-for-allison-baden-clays-family-after-body-found-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002

B (http://www.news.com.au/national/hope-turns-to-heartbreak-for-allison-baden-clays-family-after-body-found-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002)ody confirmed as that of missing Alison Baden-Clay

[Jarro]

http://www.news.com.au/national/hope-turns-to-heartbreak-for-allison-baden-clays-family-after-body-found-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002

B (http://www.news.com.au/national/hope-turns-to-heartbreak-for-allison-baden-clays-family-after-body-found-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002)ody confirmed as that of missing Alison Baden-Clay

At least the family now has closure

[TheTrueReview]

The obituary in the paper. Must've been been placed by her family. No reference to being wife of "loving" husband ... Plenty of loving references to the other nearest & dearests.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/05/08/1226350/329657-baden-clay-funeral-notice.jpg

[TheNuclearOne]

Good pickup, such a shame. There's no doubt left as to who both her parents and the police believe did it, i just hope the police have enough up their sleeve for trial time down the track.




The obituary in the paper. Must've been been placed by her family. No reference to being wife of "loving" husband ... Plenty of loving references to the other nearest & dearests.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/05/08/1226350/329657-baden-clay-funeral-notice.jpg

[TheTrueReview]

One of the reasons I don't get whipped up by the media frenzy is prior experience with a case on the Gold Coast in the mid-1980s.

On June 22 in 1984, a Tweed Heads s*x-shop owner Kevin Mannix was murdered in his Palm Beach unit. He had been stabbed in the chest and his throat was cut. His car was missing. The police charged his son, Barry Mannix with the murder. His son was the last known person to see the deceased alive. The police were sure they had got their man, so were the media. There was high public interest due to the gruesome nature of the crime and the fact that it was patricide. The theory was that the son wanted the father out of the way because he wanted to take over the business.

The murder charge was holding. Barry Mannix was committed to stand trial in the Supreme Court after a Magistrate found that he had a case to answer. A significant step in the legal process.

Around the time of Kevin Mannix's murder, a call-girl Lovina Cunningham was murdered in her Surfers Paradise unit.

While Barry Mannix was awaiting trial, a car thief by the name of Tony Rau confided to his solicitor that he knew the location of Kevin Mannix's missing car. The solicitor couldn't go to the police because he was bound by solicitor/client confidentiality. He needed his client's permission to do so but it also became apparent that Tony Rau was involved in the murder. Initially Tony Rau wasn't too keen on going to the police because that would probably mean putting himself in for murder, particularly when the police already believed they had the culprit. The solicitor was stuck with a real quandary given that he knew the identity of one of the murderers and also knew that the man facing trial was innocent. If he went to the police without his client's permission, the solicitor would've been struck off for breaching his ethical duty to his client. He would've never practised law again. Anyway, luckily for Barry Mannix, the solicitor persuaded Tony Rau to tell the police what he knew.

The upshot? The charges against Barry Mannix were dropped. Four men, Craig McConnell, Nicholas Koutras, Nigel Andrews and Tony Rau, were charged with the killings of Kevin Mannix and Lovinia Cunningham. It emerged that McConnell and Koutras had done the actual killings. Rau was the wheel man who waited outside while the accomplices went inside to rob the places and invariably kill Mannix & Cunningham.


Going back to the original post, geez I'd hate to be last known person to see someone alive ...

[Peter]

If you didn't kill them, you would probably be fine.

[Yossarian]

Is sex verboten?

[markTHEblake]

The obituary in the paper. Must've been been placed by her family. No reference to being wife of "loving" husband ... Plenty of loving references to the other nearest & dearests.
You have got it backwards, No other person was referred to as a loving reference. The Dc'd was the loving one.

[mudrat]

After uncanny, before dancing with the tarts

[TheTrueReview]

You have got it backwards, No other person was referred to as a loving reference. The Dc'd was the loving one.

I don't think so. She is described as "loving" and also "much loved". But the point being, that which wasn't said about "Gerard" stands out. No reference of deceased as "loving wife" of said husband or husband as "loving husband" of deceased. I thought it strange.

[TheNuclearOne]

Pressure now on the "other" in his life

http://www.news.com.au/national/police-ask-did-two-people-kill-mum-allison-baden-clay/story-e6frfkvr-1226351442743

[Hux]

I bet she rolls with an indemnity. The blow torch is on the soft underbelly now.

[TheNuclearOne]

You might be right Hux. I am impressed with the sustained pressure the police have exhibited.

[TheTrueReview]

Being investigated for murder can have unintended consequences for a business ...

Gerard Baden-Clay packs up real estate business, office goes up for lease

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/05/26/1226367/865426-baden-clay.jpg (http://www.news.com.au/national/widower-departs-struggling-office/story-e6frfkvr-1226368076515)

[matty]

Just heard the husband was arrested and is at the cop shop with lawyers. He'll probably end up being charged with his wifes murder by the end of the day.

[sol381]

yeah and i guess that will be the last time a photo like the one above will be taken.

[TheTrueReview]

Allison Baden-Clay murder case: Gerard Baden-Clay to be charged with murder, lawyer confirms. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clay-murder-husband-gerard-baden-clay-at-police-station/story-e6freoof-1226394560300)

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/06/01/1226341/930050-gerard-baden-clay.gif

[Yossarian]

Makes sense.

Good call JC.

[Jarro]

goooooooone

[TheTrueReview]

goooooooone

Finances + business + community standing. Now his liberty is about to go.

[Jarro]

Finances + business + community standing. Now his liberty is about to go.

I hope the coppers teach him how to pick up the soap in the shower before he goes to the big house.

[TheTrueReview]

I hope the coppers teach him how to pick up the soap in the shower before he goes to the big house.

You want the coppers to sodomise him??

[markTHEblake]

Finances + business + community standing.

and thats if he gets found not-guilty.

[Webster]

How do you know he is guilty Jarro?

[Jarro]

You want the coppers to sodomise him??

I don't think the inmates would like their new present tampered with in any way.

so ... no :mrgreen:

[Jarro]

How do you know he is guilty Jarro?

He has a guilty look ....

[Webster]

He has a guilty look ....

How many infraction points does he get for that?

[Yossarian]

Has there been some abuse of process in this case TTR?

[TheTrueReview]

Has there been some abuse of process in this case TTR?

That'll be for the Supreme Court to decide.

Although, the media frenzy was 'same old, same old'.

[Yossarian]

Fair enough, just getting a vibe that you don't think this has been done properly.

[Jarro]

How many infraction points does he get for that?

As many as the Judge deems appropriate

[Webster]

Where was her body found?

[sms316]

I think we should wait until the trial. Maybe she deserved it.

[jaybam]

I think we should wait until the trial. Maybe she deserved it.

You really are a wanker sometimes.
No one deserves that.

[Webster]

No one deserves that.

This would be a good question to ask Yoss, him being almost a lawyer and that...

[TheTrueReview]

Fair enough, just getting a vibe that you don't think this has been done properly.

To be frank, the police investigation was quite formulaic. At strategic intervals, trickle feeding information for hungry media to disseminate. The usual psy-ops being played with the suspects; trying to drive a wedge between the two suspects; trying to flush someone out. Like turning the handle on a vice. Very effective.

It'll be an interesting circumstantial brief of evidence. Well ... interesting to the observer. I don't think that Baden-Clay will find the process interesting.

[jaybam]

Bottom line is, if he did it i hope he is bashed senseless every day in jail for the rest of his life. I am not afraid to admit i shed a tear for the poor three young girls now left without a mother and father because of his ( if he did it ) selfish decision. Poor young girls. I hope but am sure they will never lead a normal life.

[markTHEblake]

Two things stand out to me,
One is that if he really did it, he is either pretty convinced he cant get nicked for it, or if not he would have skipped by now.
Two, why so much fuss over one murder, people get knocked off all the time. Ok, so it's not USA, but seems there are others we never hear about.

[Johnny Canuck]

The circumstances surrounding it make it a gem for the press, which sells newspapers, which is the bottom line.

[dave1]

If hes found guilty no one wins...His 3 kids have lost both parents - these children will never have a normal life

If found not guilty no one wins also as kids still have no mum.

Its sad in anyway I look at it.

[Webster]

If found not guilty no one wins also as kids still have no mum.

The accused would certainly disagree with that. And he would find the kids a new mommy quite easily.

[AndyP]

10 minutes before the newsreader finally says "and in other news".

[AndyP]

Here's an article for those obsessed with this case:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clay-has-lost-13-friends-on-facebook-including-premier-campbell-newman-since-being-arrested-for-murder-of-wife-allison/story-e6freon6-1226410504650

That's news!

[TheTrueReview]

Here's an article for those obsessed with this case:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gerard-baden-clay-has-lost-13-friends-on-facebook-including-premier-campbell-newman-since-being-arrested-for-murder-of-wife-allison/story-e6freon6-1226410504650

That's news!

The only obsessed ones come from the ranks of the Media Andy. They're doing drip feeds of information each day to keep the story alive. Amongst other things, they've been drip feeding content of his bail affidavit (from last week's bail hearing).


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/27/1226410/504467-baden-clay-on-facebook.jpg

[AndyP]

The media obviously has a market for it though. My wife follows it a little too closely for my liking.

[Jarro]

The only obsessed ones come from the ranks of the Media Andy. They're doing drip feeds of information each day to keep the story alive. Amongst other things, they've been drip feeding content of his bail affidavit (from last week's bail hearing).


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/27/1226410/504467-baden-clay-on-facebook.jpg

I wonder what those 2 new notifications are about ??

[AndyP]

Those would be TTR's notifications. Let your imagination run wild.

[Jarro]

Maybe it was somebody telling him about our thread :

http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/29475-Things-I-used-to-like-before-they-disappeared.


(http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/29475-Things-I-used-to-like-before-they-disappeared.)

[AndyP]

Clever!

[Goldy]

Maybe it was somebody telling him about our thread :

http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/29475-Things-I-used-to-like-before-they-disappeared.


(http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/29475-Things-I-used-to-like-before-they-disappeared.)

:smt038