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shavey
7th November 2011, 10:29 AM
Where you should be and when...

Friday 31st August, pre-champs round (TBA) Still open to suggestions as I can organise a resort course for a reduced rate if needed.

Saturday 1st September, single tee (10th) from 10:53am (Pelican Waters - Blue and Red)
Sunday 2nd September, single tee (1st) from 7:30am (Pelican Waters - Black and Red)

sms316
7th November 2011, 10:33 AM
Sunday 2nd September, single tee (1st) from TBA (Pelican Waters - Black and Red)

Good.

PeteyD
7th November 2011, 10:50 AM
Oh no, black when still pished.

Jarro
7th November 2011, 10:50 AM
Good.

why ?

sms316
7th November 2011, 10:53 AM
why ?
Because the tees being so far forward this year made the course boring as bat shit.

Jarro
7th November 2011, 10:57 AM
Because the tees being so far forward this year made the course boring as bat shit.

Didn't make the scores much better though ??

sms316
7th November 2011, 11:02 AM
Didn't make the scores much better though ??
No. Condition of the greens didn't help. Shithouse bunkers were penal. Hit is in a bunker there atm and you will be lucky to get down in 3.

Hitting 4 irons off the tee on holes like 9 was rivetting stuff.

goughy
7th November 2011, 11:04 AM
Was nothing wrong with the bunkers. I got out of all 20 I landed in with no issues.

just
7th November 2011, 11:07 AM
Shavey
Any indication of what time tee off is on Sunday?

timah!
7th November 2011, 11:10 AM
Shavey
Any indication of what time tee off is on Sunday?

And can we go for a bit earlier?

KristianJ
7th November 2011, 11:17 AM
And can we go for a bit earlier? Just play like shit on Sat and your wish will be granted! :mrgreen:

shavey
7th November 2011, 12:20 PM
Shavey
Any indication of what time tee off is on Sunday?

Will be pushing for 30 mins on both days.

popper81
7th November 2011, 12:23 PM
And can we go for a bit earlier?

Any earlier and I would have been still pissed for the ENTIRE round!!!

markTHEblake
7th November 2011, 01:07 PM
Because the tees being so far forward this year made the course boring as bat shit.The worst thing was creating a blind tee shot on 8th resulting in one of us having a very near miss to someones head. If it had of happened there would have been a massive law suit and the club would likely have been held liable because there would be no case for the ball striker being negligent.

just
7th November 2011, 01:14 PM
Will be pushing for 30 mins on both days.
Hi Shave
I meant do you know if you can get an early tee time, say 7:30?


The worst thing was creating a blind tee shot on 8th resulting in one of us having a very near miss to someones head. If it had of happened there would have been a massive law suit and the club would likely have been held liable because there would be no case for the ball striker being negligent.
That just means a sensible position for the blues could be used, not that we have to go off the blacks.

markTHEblake
7th November 2011, 01:55 PM
Correct Just. They set up a blue course for choppers and wouldnt let us hit off the blacks cos they are afraid we will slow down the field.(my assumption) When in reality our handicap demgraphic average is lower than their members let alone social group. So we probably played slower as we waited on all the fives and one four.

sms316
7th November 2011, 03:29 PM
At least playing blacks means we know what we are getting rather than the open to interpretation rubbish from this year.

goughy
7th November 2011, 03:32 PM
You're so upset by this sms, I just wanna crawl through my computer screen and give ya a big hugs, and maybe a kleenex :)

sms316
7th November 2011, 03:34 PM
You're so upset by this sms, I just wanna crawl through my computer screen and give ya a big hugs, and maybe a kleenex :)
I play there every week and love the joint. I just get frustrated by playing a shitty version of it which is catering directly to social golfers.

just
7th November 2011, 03:35 PM
I play there every week and love the joint. I just get frustrated by playing a shitty version of it which is catering directly to social golfers.
So we have to cater for you? Blues in a good position would suit a lot.

sms316
7th November 2011, 03:38 PM
So we have to cater for you? Blues in a good position would suit a lot.
Sounds like you want them forward because that suits you. Blue/black is best over two days.

just
7th November 2011, 03:56 PM
Where did I say want them forward? Blues in a good position, which means not too forward and not too far back either would suit a lot of Ozgolfers. It would also mean short hitters have a chance. This year was good because we had an interesting shoot out between one of the shortest hitters on Ozgolf versus one of the longest on the second day. Its my opinion that if we had played off the blacks on the Sunday I suspect Dicky wouldn't have been in with a chance. As for suiting me, I've never played well at champs, short or long, so I don't care about my performance. So it's of minor importance in terms of that.

More importantly, I do care that playing off the blacks will more than likely drag out the day.

sms316
7th November 2011, 04:01 PM
More importantly, I do care that playing off the blacks will more than likely drag out the day.
When we are playing behind Joe Public it probably means less time sitting around waiting for them (unless you are behind Courty).

Dotty
7th November 2011, 04:12 PM
I'm a short hitter and prefer the course as long as possible.

A short course favours the longer hitters, as they can go for par 5s and long par 4s in two, whereas I still need three shots. A long course also encourages them to pump up the driver and accumulate penalties for waywardness.

Vote 1 Black.

shavey
7th November 2011, 04:33 PM
I meant do you know if you can get an early tee time, say 7:30?

Just, we probably could get an earlier time but for somebody who has played the early groups for the past few years (as you have as well), I could think of nothing worse than having to worry about my Saturday night festivities to make sure I was in bed at a reasonable time and not so rushed and more importantly hungover, on Sunday morning! I'll look to ensure we have proceedings wrapped up a little earlier but really, it's all dependant on how many players confirm. If we get the 60 or more, we might have to tee off at 7:30!


That just means a sensible position for the blues could be used, not that we have to go off the blacks.

On Sundays, the course caters to the socials players which is why the tees are moved forward. After the feedback I received this year and rightly so, my request to play from the blacks has been granted. In a perfect world, the pins would be changed day on day and we'd play from the blues both days but this unfortunately is not an option.

solarman
7th November 2011, 04:45 PM
Black means more value for the buck, more drinks and more drink lady...hhmm

AndyP
7th November 2011, 05:19 PM
I could change the pins on my morning run. ;)

BroKar
7th November 2011, 05:43 PM
I don't think we need earlier tee times on Sunday, I like to have a drink on the Saturday night and any earlier would be shit in my opinion

Eag's
7th November 2011, 06:47 PM
Tee times are fine as they are thanks. As for what tees we hit off, it doesn't bother me either way as long as the rain stays away :)

just
7th November 2011, 06:49 PM
Just, we probably could get an earlier time but for somebody who has played the early groups for the past few years (as you have as well), I could think of nothing worse than having to worry about my Saturday night festivities to make sure I was in bed at a reasonable time and not so rushed and more importantly hungover, on Sunday morning! I'll look to ensure we have proceedings wrapped up a little earlier but really,
You can't ensure that it will be wrapped up earlier without playing earlier Shave. We only wrapped up at a decent time this year because we played a shortened version of the course and I chased everyone as they came in for their cards and handed them over to pete.

In my opinion the only thing we are achieving is ensuring that one year someone will be wiped out on the drive back to Brisbane because they will be alcohol affected, fatigued and this year driving home in the dark.

goughy
7th November 2011, 07:48 PM
Apart from the alcohol affected, that's me every year! I'm amazed every year when I get home in one piece.

BroKar
7th November 2011, 07:59 PM
So instead of allowing people to get a good nights sleep before a round of golf and presentation after having a drink, it's better for everyone to get up 2 hours earlier after drinking and then drive back to Brisbane.

AndyP
7th November 2011, 08:04 PM
Are you suggesting that you don't get to choose how much sleep you have?

Why should the event cater for alcoholics?

just
7th November 2011, 08:04 PM
So instead of allowing people to get a good nights sleep before a round of golf and presentation after having a drink, it's better for everyone to get up 2 hours earlier after drinking and then drive back to Brisbane.
It was never a problem for years until shavey decided to change it last year. This year there were already plenty up and ready to go. Have a few less drinks, enjoy yourself more.

BroKar
7th November 2011, 08:10 PM
What time did everything wrap up this year? 3.30 or so wasn't it? I'm just trying to understand what was wrong with everything this year?

Also it's not allowing for alcoholics, but I'm sure for some it's like an annual leave pass for the weekend and should be treated as such

PeteyD
7th November 2011, 08:33 PM
Sunday tee could have been earlier, I had checked out etc and was there easily 1 hour prior. but we were behind a field and not sure we'll have an option? I guess Shavey needs to ask if it is a popular idea.

peter_rs
7th November 2011, 08:48 PM
If you need to get smashed use Friday night.

Sat night was a little bit of a fizzer due to setup at the tavern

Any one who get smashed sat night and drink on Sunday then tries to drive is an idiot.

I can't see an issuse with 8am

Dotty
7th November 2011, 09:19 PM
You need daylight saving. ;)

No earlier than 8am. Got to fit in three courses of bacon and black coffee to come alive on holidays.

TheAwesom1
8th November 2011, 10:39 PM
I Comand a 250k apperance fee

Iain
9th November 2011, 05:57 AM
:lol:

Jagerbomb anyone??

goughy
9th November 2011, 06:00 AM
That's because you were playing with boobs!

Nah, I thought pub was a winner. We'll just make sure to book sooner and have enough tables all together.

peter_rs
9th November 2011, 06:45 AM
The pub idea works just between the delays on the food and then the split between the rooms it just didn't feel as social and people dropped of quicker

AndyP
9th November 2011, 06:51 AM
Pub sucked. When I am socialising, I'd like to be able to hear the other people when they are talking, even if it is dribble.

goughy
9th November 2011, 06:51 AM
Yeah, fix that and it will be fine. Granted, the other room had plenty of atmosphere when enough were in it and the dud had stopped singing. I didn't have much delay with any of the meals I ordered!

goughy
9th November 2011, 06:55 AM
Is there another option nearby, an rsl or something, where we may be more able to stay grouped together. Due to drink and food pricing and options I still think it's better. Dickie will probably agree considering how much stuff cost him out of pocket that night. But we need to ban shavey from the pokies!

AndyP
9th November 2011, 06:56 AM
In the lead up, someone mentioned a boat club or the like.

goughy
9th November 2011, 07:06 AM
Would we all have to wear captains hats, boat shoes and talk in nautical themes?

timah!
9th November 2011, 07:15 AM
Caloundra RSL is pretty local, and a top joint.

popper81
9th November 2011, 07:40 AM
In the lead up, someone mentioned a boat club or the like. Yeah I mentioned the power boat club. Bigger venue, and to be honest, last time I was there it was better value than the pub on food and drinks. Big pokie room for those that way inclined. They have entertainment, but it is not so in your face as the pub was. Just not sure if it has a TAB for those that like a punt. They have a bus as well. It would be barely a 2 kilometer further up the road.

Xray
9th November 2011, 07:41 AM
Just had a look at the RSL, 7km from PW, courtesy bus, sports bar. Looks good.

Daves
9th November 2011, 07:50 AM
Yeah I mentioned the power boat club. Bigger venue, and to be honest, last time I was there it was better value than the pub on food and drinks. Big pokie room for those that way inclined. They have entertainment, but it is not so in your face as the pub was. Just not sure if it has a TAB for those that like a punt. They have a bus as well. It would be barely a 2 kilometer further up the road.

It has a gaming lounge,so would very likely have a tab.

http://www.caloundrapowerboat.com.au/

Have been to the RSL and can give the food the thumbs up.

http://www.caloundrarsl.com.au/social/

Marto65
9th November 2011, 08:06 AM
Wasnt much wrong with anything this year at all.

My early tee time was fine. If you want an early time, play crap like I did.

The pub was fine. We didnt all eat together because we didnt have enough tables (no-one at fault) and we staggered in from 6pm to 8pm.

The pub was good because, being as quiet as we are, we could here the strumming of the sitar in the background.

As for the Black tees ... that far back .. no one can hear your scream. Thats a good thing.

just
9th November 2011, 08:10 AM
My early tee time was fine. If you want an early time, play crap like I did.
Why don't we start at 8am and then if you want a late tee time play well on Saturday. Easy, shouldn't have any argument with that. Starting at 9:30 isn't early.

Eag's
9th November 2011, 08:17 AM
I don't see what the big deal is regarding tee times. The whole weekend is supposed to be about the social side of things, not how early we can get back, get the presentation done and piss off. We tee off early in just about every other large Oz Golf event all year so I can't see a problem with the Champs tee times being later in the day.

just
9th November 2011, 08:28 AM
The whole weekend is supposed to be about the social side of things ,not how early we can get back, get the presentation done and piss off. .
Except they aren't being social on Sunday now, because we are catering for a few drunks who can't be arsed getting up and socialising anyway while most of us are up and trying figure out what to do for 2 hours so we go back to our rooms, go for a run, spend two hours on the range etc so we don't socialise anyway. Afterwards we do the presentation and everyone pisses off because it's late. So what's the difference, at least if you played early they would have the choice to hang around for a couple of drinks after before they made the trek home.

It's about choice.

PeteyD
9th November 2011, 08:33 AM
Yea. 8:00 tee time start on Sunday would be much better. Definitely too long sitting around half hungover waiting to start ;)

Eag's
9th November 2011, 08:58 AM
If there were many requests from people to move tee times to an earlier start then fair enough, but so far only yourself and PeteyD seem to be interested in doing so. Maybe put it to a vote?
Remembering though we are at the mercy of Pelican and their members.

timah!
9th November 2011, 09:09 AM
I've always been another for earlier :)

BrisVegas
9th November 2011, 09:12 AM
Except they aren't being social on Sunday now, because we are catering for a few drunks who can't be arsed getting up and socialising anyway while most of us are up and trying figure out what to do for 2 hours so we go back to our rooms, go for a run, spend two hours on the range etc so we don't socialise anyway. Afterwards we do the presentation and everyone pisses off because it's late. So what's the difference, at least if you played early they would have the choice to hang around for a couple of drinks after before they made the trek home.

It's about choice.

+1

Eag's
9th November 2011, 09:19 AM
Well like I said, the only way it will change is if enough people voice their concerns, until then nothing will happen.

Xray
9th November 2011, 09:22 AM
I thought that we teed off straight after the Sunday comp final group.

Marto65
9th November 2011, 09:33 AM
I thought that we teed off straight after the Sunday comp final group.

Well ... you did ... ;)

(dont worry, I wasnt much better....)

PeteyD
9th November 2011, 09:44 AM
We were right behind them slow buggers.

BrisVegas
9th November 2011, 09:45 AM
We were right behind them slow buggers.

That's what she/we said!

just
9th November 2011, 09:53 AM
I thought that we teed off straight after the Sunday comp final group.
I was told a social group, which is why the tees were forward.

AndyP
9th November 2011, 09:58 AM
Earlier please.
Plenty of socialising time at breakfast, as well, if you can drag yourself out of bed.

PeteyD
9th November 2011, 09:59 AM
That might explain some things. I'd still prefer to tee off earlier and get back to the clubhouse for lunch. 9:30 - 10:00 gets you back in mid afternoon which is kinda crappy. Anyway, I am happy with whatever Shavey can manage.

shazza_rs
9th November 2011, 10:47 AM
I vote for earlier tee times on Sunday too. Like just said, if we finish earlier then people have the choice to hang around after the event or piss off and get home.

goughy
9th November 2011, 10:51 AM
I'm happy to go with the crowd, granted earlier would suit me. I always feel like I have to rush out of there Sunday arvo, would be nice to have a relaxing lunch before heading off .

sms316
9th November 2011, 11:00 AM
Don't care what time it is.




It's about choice.
You do have the choice of not coming if that makes things easier.

just
9th November 2011, 11:28 AM
You do have the choice of not coming if that makes things easier.
Do you have a problem with people making suggestions and discussing them? I talk to people about the event and just provide feedback and try to make it better for everyone. If that's your attitude and it's shared by a great majority let's just say that from the start, no one gets a say and let shavey make all the decisions. I respect the work shavey does, he does a great job, but it is the Ozgolf Champs after all. The bottom line Shaun, is that you can't distinguish between suggestion/discussion and whining.

jaybam
9th November 2011, 11:30 AM
Wow.














sorry couldn't help myself. :)

just
9th November 2011, 11:33 AM
Nowhere near "Wow" worthy. I can get there by special request though.

jaybam
9th November 2011, 11:34 AM
Please do. boring day today lol

sms316
9th November 2011, 11:42 AM
Do you have a problem with people making suggestions and discussing them? I talk to people about the event and just provide feedback and try to make it better for everyone. If that's your attitude and it's shared by a great majority let's just say that from the start, no one gets a say and let shavey make all the decisions. I respect the work shavey does, he does a great job, but it is the Ozgolf Champs after all. The bottom line Shaun, is that you can't distinguish between suggestion/discussion and whining.
I think you should join the Champs committee if you think they are making enough "errors" which are starting to affect your enjoyment of the Champs. There is no right or wrong reason for attending the Champs. Some want to play it seriously and play to win. Some want to enjoy the social aspect of it. Some want to get poleaxed for 3 days straight. As far as I can see, Shavey and the rest ofthe organisers have done a great job of accommodating everyone as well as can be done.

The best run events are usually run by one (maybe two) people. Shavey has done nothing to disprove this.

jaybam
9th November 2011, 11:43 AM
Stupid phone

just
9th November 2011, 11:47 AM
I think you should join the Champs committee if you think they are making enough "errors" which are starting to affect your enjoyment of the Champs.
I am part of the organising forum. I don't see an issue discussing these issues with the wider community.


There is no right or wrong reason for attending the Champs. Some want to play it seriously and play to win. Some want to enjoy the social aspect of it. Some want to get poleaxed for 3 days straight. As far as I can see, Shavey and the rest ofthe organisers have done a great job of accommodating everyone as well as can be done.
Sure do, but nothing is set in stone.

sms316
9th November 2011, 11:54 AM
The majority of people I spoke to on Sunday at this year's event thought that the tee locations were bordering on embarrassing. I didn't hear anyone complaining about late tee times.

Now maybe, you heard the exact opposite of this because we kept in different circles.

The conditions for this year have been set in the OP. Letting the inmates run the asylum is a recipe for disaster.

What's next on the list? Carts being optional? Hole locations? The breakfast menu?

LeftyHoges
9th November 2011, 12:01 PM
Well I'm planning to be there on Thursday so that I can play in the Friday pre-champs round.
Then I'll be playing well on Saturday so I can get into the later groups on Sunday, giving me more time to recover from the hangover from Saturday nights festivities.
Lose a packet on the horses, dogs and trots, lose even more on the pokies trying to chase my losses. Punch someone when I win the first round of coins against the wall and someone calls it a practice run.
Then will choke like a dog on Sunday, leaving me to cry into a multitude of beers about losing the champs, play the poker on Sunday night and drink a bottle of Vodka with Shavey.
Then play the Monday post-champs round hungover, fatigued and emotionally drained, probably struggling to break 90 for 20 points.

Anything else is inconsequential.

I don't know about you guys but I've got my 2012 champs all planned out.

PeteyD
9th November 2011, 12:07 PM
There was plenty of comment about wasted sunlight and how we could of teed off earlier.

just
9th November 2011, 12:07 PM
What's next on the list? Carts being optional? Hole locations? The breakfast menu?

The bottom line Shaun, is that you can't distinguish between suggestion/discussion and whining.
Don't project your personality failures on to everyone else. You should also make up your mind, make suggestions to the committee, don't have committee, which is it?


The majority of people I spoke to on Sunday at this year's event thought that the tee locations were bordering on embarrassing. I didn't hear anyone complaining about late tee times.

Now maybe, you heard the exact opposite of this because we kept in different circles.
And where have I made a comment after shavey made the position clear on the tees?


The conditions for this year have been set in the OP.
Not in relation to tee time, so its still an open topic.. I've made a request and then put some reasons out there why I think it's a good idea.

Ned
9th November 2011, 06:15 PM
Where you should be and when...

Friday 31st August, pre-champs round (TBA)

Saturday 1st September, single tee (10th) from TBA (Pelican Waters - Blue and Red)
Sunday 2nd September, single tee (1st) from TBA (Pelican Waters - Black and Red)

Monday 3rd September, post-champs round (TBA)

Looks good Steve, look forward to what you are able to negotiate with Management about tee times.

Cosmopolite
9th November 2011, 06:17 PM
I had no problems with the tee times this year. (I prefer not to play early morning)

Yossarian
9th November 2011, 06:24 PM
I thought the times could have been better.

BroKar
9th November 2011, 07:39 PM
Nothing wrong with them, nice comfortable time after playing 18 holes Friday and Saturday and going out Saturday night.

Hux
9th November 2011, 08:12 PM
I'm a short hitter and prefer the course as long as possible.

A short course favours the longer hitters, as they can go for par 5s and long par 4s in two, whereas I still need three shots. A long course also encourages them to pump up the driver and accumulate penalties for waywardness.

Vote 1 Black.



A cunning plan. Anymore cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a fox!!

Marto65
9th November 2011, 08:14 PM
Can we have the pre-champs round on the Thursday?

damoocow
9th November 2011, 09:39 PM
FWIW

I liked the forward tees on the Sunday.
I would like an early tee block on the Sunday.
Bring back the function room.
Ban motorised carts at the Champs unless you have a medical certificate.
As much as I love Shavey and his organising and bargaining skills we are not locked in a contract with Pelican.
The Golf Porn Thread was misleading and I am very annoyed by that...

PeteyD
9th November 2011, 10:42 PM
We are not locked to pelican, find a better deal.

rubin
9th November 2011, 10:50 PM
I hear there are some great courses in W.A ;)

Cosmopolite
9th November 2011, 11:04 PM
I hear there are some great courses in W.A ;)

and great weather (usually) unless it is June July or August.........

markTHEblake
9th November 2011, 11:55 PM
I didn't hear anyone complaining about late tee times.

I didn't notice that the tee times were late, seemed the same as every other year to me.

damoocow
10th November 2011, 06:32 AM
We are not locked to pelican, find a better deal.


this was a comment, not a whinge...

PeteyD
10th November 2011, 06:38 AM
yea. I'd like to go somewhere different but that is the wall we hit. I'd like KV to open again.

Outcast
14th November 2011, 04:13 PM
FWIW,

Had a fantastic time at Champs; courses were great, tee times were great and tee's used were fine...... I don't always like the tee setup at my home course but, if that's what we got then that's what we got...

Shavey & the rest of the team, fantastic job, great organisation - don't change a thing

OH - just voicing my opinion... if stuff gets changed.. don't mind, will be a fantastic time again I'm sure... if folk want things changed and it can be accomodated, fine make the changes.. if not... then don't. Just wanted you all to know I don't mind either way

markTHEblake
5th March 2012, 08:32 PM
Shavey, do you know the tee times yet for saturday?

shavey
5th March 2012, 09:05 PM
No but from all the 'comments' I thought somebody else was going to organise it this year :neutral:

I'll ask and make a post later in the week. All I know is that it will be earlier on the Sunday...

markTHEblake
5th March 2012, 09:18 PM
i though when you made the booking at PW they would have already allocated a block of times,
I have 3rd round of clubchampions on the saturday, so just getting in early to find out if I even have a hope in hell of making it. I know its a long way off but it takes months to plan the right outfit.

shavey
7th March 2012, 09:26 AM
OP updated

Friday 31st August, pre-champs round (TBA) Still open to suggestions as I can organise a resort course for a reduced rate if needed.

Saturday 1st September, single tee (10th) from 10:53am (Pelican Waters - Blue and Red)
Sunday 2nd September, single tee (1st) from 7:30am (Pelican Waters - Black and Red)

There is no room to move for Saturday's round due to existing bookings and tee sheet management.

Lucasto23
7th March 2012, 09:29 AM
Awesome work shavey, you are awesomeness

PeteyD
7th March 2012, 11:53 AM
Awesome work shavey, you are awesomeness

+ lots

markTHEblake
7th March 2012, 05:43 PM
So that would make the last tee time at about 1230ish?

Flowergirl
24th March 2012, 06:37 PM
pretty sure John and I will be starters this year if there is places still left. Should know in the nest week or so. Even though I don't post here much any more I still look forward to catching up with you guys. :)

peter_rs
24th March 2012, 08:03 PM
Good stuff

shazza_rs
24th March 2012, 08:13 PM
So if you guys get to play off the blue then black tees I reckon I should get variety too.

Yellow then Red?

PeteyD
24th March 2012, 09:13 PM
Do they put yellows out shaz? I have no issues with that

Great to have you coming up again Reenee, been a while since we have seen you !

timah!
24th March 2012, 09:17 PM
So if you guys get to play off the blue then black tees I reckon I should get variety too.

Yellow then Red?

Do it! :mrgreen:

sms316
24th March 2012, 10:13 PM
So if you guys get to play off the blue then black tees I reckon I should get variety too.Yellow then Red? Red then blue if the blues are where they were last year?

shazza_rs
25th March 2012, 08:27 AM
Nup. The blues were forward last year but not far enough forward for me to play from there.

Ferrins
25th March 2012, 08:43 AM
Yellow are non gender specific, you can play them with Shaun's chum.

sms316
25th March 2012, 09:42 AM
Nup. The blues were forward last year but not far enough forward for me to play from there. I've never taken any notice of where the yellow plates are but I doubt they are too far from last year's Sunday blues. I might have more of a look next time I'm out there.