Steve Williams - WTF?

[live4golf]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/golf/caddie-williams-in-race-row-over-tiger-remark-20111105-1n0ua.html

Discuss. :)

[simmsy]

its Steve Williams, he's a knob and a kiwi. nothing more to discuss really.

[Daves]

its Steve Williams, he's a knob and a kiwi. nothing more to discuss really.

x2

Funnily enough it also confirms how pissed off he is with Tiger, and suggests there is more than a touch of truth in his version of events (at least from Stevie's perspective).

[sms316]

Woods and Scott are to be in the same group next week at the Australian Open, and there’s a chance they also could face off at the Presidents Cup in Melbourne the week after.

Big fan of this.

[simmsy]

yep well done to the organizers responsible if this does happen.

[Lagerlover]

Re "racial slur"...... I pity Mrs Williams, she's the one who will now have to ring Tiger asking for Steve's group certificate!!

[sms316]

Should he have referred to Woods as an Asian arsehole instead?

[Lagerlover]

Should he have referred to Woods as an Asian arsehole instead? Are they still round??

[Dotty]

He's just a tall poppy, taking cheap shots at players struggling to make a cut.

[dave1]

Ok I dont think hes racist, that said he should know better

I think he had a few brewskies and let slip

context of the comments was mitigating factor I think


ceromoney was mock awards...beers flowing..can see how it happens...no big deal really

[Courty]

http://www.weiunderpar.com/post/and-now-stevie-apologizes

[IamViva]

if tiger called him a white arsehole would it be an issue...

[sms316]

Caddie of the Year awards being presented right now in Shanghai. I think this is finally the year Noonan beats out D'Annunzio.
:lol:

[Lagerlover]

Sorry guys bit new to the scene, what colour is an arsehole??

[goughy]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chocolate%20starfish

[Lagerlover]

That's great goughy, has that been saved in your favourites??

[simmsy]

the "Hershey Hwy" is my fav out of that lot.

[sms316]

You guys are disgusting.

[dan]

I think he had a few brewskies and let slip
isn't that when the real truth comes out?

[Jarro]

I'm really starting to not give a flying **** what comments come out of SW mouth :roll:

[TheTrueReview]

Ok I dont think hes racist, that said he should know better

I think he had a few brewskies and let slip

context of the comments was mitigating factor I think


ceromoney was mock awards...beers flowing..can see how it happens...no big deal really

+ 1. That said it's now a media feast.

I hope Scotty sticks with Stevie.

[Eag's]

I'm really starting to not give a flying **** what comments come out of SW mouth :roll:

Yep the bloke sure does rate himself, what a tosser.

[Yossarian]

What a colourful statement from Williams.

[IamViva]

What a colourful statement from Williams.
I see what you did there ;)

[TourFit]

Love how calling Tiger a black asshole, and then after the apology explaining he didn't think it would get any attention, and that he didn't mean anything by it...

...eh, HELLO!

[PerryGroves]

I'm really starting to not give a flying **** what comments come out of SW mouth :roll:

Yep




I hope Scotty sticks with Stevie.

I hope people stop calling him "Stevie"

[TheTrueReview]

I hope people stop calling him "Stevie"

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie ... :razz:

[Ned]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/golf/caddie-steve-williams-allegedly-makes-racist-comments-towards-former-boss-tiger-woods/story-e6frf3oc-1226186511244

[TheTrueReview]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/golf/caddie-steve-williams-allegedly-makes-racist-comments-towards-former-boss-tiger-woods/story-e6frf3oc-1226186511244

"Scott said it was foolish to suggest Williams was racist and that the comments at the private party were not meant to leave the room. "I disagree that he should be sacked," Scott said when asked about the future of his bagman."

That pretty much puts an end to it.

[virge666]

Do you think Steve is carrying some baggage ?

Scott vs Tiger first round of the singles . . . . bring that on.

[Ned]

http://www.facebook.com/questions/10150526555342782/?qa_ref=ssp

[TheNuclearOne]

He needs to get over it, fast. He's losing any sympathy he had.

[IamViva]

heh, anti-racism groups want an investigation into steve williams comment... does everyone think this has really been blown out of proportion?

[AndyP]

Racist comments don't make you a racist. Stupid maybe, but not racist.

[Chilled]

Voice your opinion to Scott's FB wall: http://www.facebook.com/questions/10150526555342782/?qa_ref=ssp#!/Page.AdamScott?sk=wall

I'm disappointed Scott has defended this man and his racist comment.

[3oneday]

PC rubbish, it was a throw away comment in a private function. If you claim to have never done it's a bit like saying you've never wanked.

[Jarro]

I've never wanked

[Ned]

Do some Cultural Awareness training and protocols, plenty of people make inappropriate comments and actions against nationalities and races, yet it doesn't make them racists.

If it wasn't a high profile situation it wouldn't have raised a heart beat.

Ask Tex, ddasey, Hux, rowey or X-Ray, the number of times they have been labelled by MOP's in moments of anger or actions and they should be spending every day at the Anti Discrimination Tribunal.

The guy should have moved on a long time ago, but he isn't different to a lot of people who carry grievances or baggage even if he or they say they have no problems any more.

[mike]

If someone makes a short joke does that make them a shortist?

[ddasey]

Ask Tex, ddasey, Hux, rowey or X-Ray, the number of times they have been labelled by MOP's in moments of anger or actions and they should be spending every day at the Anti Discrimination Tribunal.


Agree.

Just spent 10 days travelling through Cape York communities and time at the Weipa detention centre. Was called a lot worse than that.

Do I think it was racist. No.

[IamViva]

I've never wanked
me neither...

i wax the dolphin frequently however

[TheTrueReview]

...

Just spent 10 days travelling through Cape York communities and time at the Weipa detention centre. Was called a lot worse than that.

Do I think it was racist. No.

Why not? What were the comments?

In a former life, I've been called a "white c0unt" a number of times whilst working. A plainly racist comment.

It is what is is ...

[sms316]

Why not? What were the comments?

In a former life, I've been called a "white c0unt" a number of times whilst working. A plainly racist comment.

It is what is is ...
It's not racist. It's descriptive.

Is Woods black? Is he an arsehole? Former - certainly. Latter - likely.

[Daves]

The media will jump on anything about Tiger they can get, because they get absolutely f' all from the man himself.

[Jarro]

The media will jump on anything about Tiger they can get, because they get absolutely f' all from the man himself.

exactly.

Nothing in it IMO ..... just the usual media beatup :roll:

[Chilled]

Looks like Stevie isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/steve-williams-exposed-as-a-profane-fool-20111107-1n2h4.html

[Hamo84]

exactly.

Nothing in it IMO ..... just the usual media beatup :roll:

totally agree, another example of media struggling for good news stories....

[just]

Looks like Stevie isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/steve-williams-exposed-as-a-profane-fool-20111107-1n2h4.html
That article summed it up nicely, the man's a fool and should be ignored. Hopefully Adam Scott wakes up and dumps him.

[Jarro]

Adam Scott seems pretty happy with him though .... so i reckon he'll stick with him for a while yet.

[TourFit]

Looks like Stevie isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/steve-williams-exposed-as-a-profane-fool-20111107-1n2h4.html


That article summed it up nicely, the man's a fool and should be ignored. Hopefully Adam Scott wakes up and dumps him.

Why is that just...?

Didn't realise that caddies had to be that bright, truth be told. In fact, I've met plenty of PLAYERS that aren't too bright either!

It's a flash in the pan. Part of a noe ridiculous media cycle and quick grab mentality.

[just]

Fit
You seem to read a lot of things into a post that weren't there.


It's a flash in the pan. Part of a noe ridiculous media cycle and quick grab mentality.
Who said it wasn't? Not me. Of course it is a media beat up, but it was always going to be when Steve Williams talks about Tiger and as someone who who has worked in the top end of the business and who should behave professionally, should know better than to make dumb remarks like that. It's only an opinion


Why is that just...?
Because he will become a liability and damage Scott's image and by extension his brand. Another opinion.


Didn't realise that caddies had to be that bright, truth be told. In fact, I've met plenty of PLAYERS that aren't too bright either!
I didn't say they had to be. Where did you read that?

[Johnny Canuck]

Scott needs to tell him to STFU and get on with it. He is obviously helping his game, but at the cost of being associated with the angry knob.

[just]

Scott needs to tell him to STFU and get on with it. He is obviously helping his game, but at the cost of being associated with the angry knob.
That would work too.

[Jarro]

I'm sure this latest outburst will make him think twice before opening his gob again

[3oneday]

Funny though, the only other caddy I know the name of is Fluff Cowan. It's all Tigers fault, clearly :)

[Jarro]

Funny though, the only other caddy I know the name of is Fluff Cowan. It's all Tigers fault, clearly :)

You've never heard of Fanny ?? :shock:

no homo

[TheTrueReview]

A release a moment ago by Adam Scott on his FB page.
-----

"I take this opportunity to address the comments that were made by my caddy, Steve Williams, at the Annual Caddy Awards Dinner this week in Shanghai, and the subsequent media reporting.

I want it made very clear that I do not support nor condone racism. I believe there is absolutely no room for racial discrimination in any walk of life, including the game of golf.

I have discussed this matter directly with Steve and he understands and supports my view on this subject. I also accept Steve's apology, knowing that he meant no racial slur with his comments.

On behalf of my team, I apologize personally to everyone that was offended by the reported comments. Please accept this apology so we can all move on.

I now consider the matter closed. I will not be making any further comment."

[Jarro]

Great comment from Adam Scott ... pretty much sums it up nicely.

I also see that the media are now trying to beat up a stoush between Adam Scott and Tiger !!

FFS :roll:

[goughy]

Weren't they leaked comments from a private function where it's known that what's said never leaves the room. Some other self important caddie trying to make themselves look big within the group?

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[mike]

It's not racist. It's descriptive.

Is Woods black? Is he an arsehole? Former - certainly. Latter - likely.I agree with this.


Golf needs this sort of sensationalism. Any publicity is good publicity. Makes the next Scott/Woods match up a guaranteed media frenzy.

Good move by Stevie.

[Dicka]

Williams may not be a racist...I wouldn't know. But what he said certainly had racist undertones, unintended or not. Surely we've gone past that crap...it may have been said in jest but anyone who says this type of thing in a forum that has the potential to be heard by a larger audience, is just plain stupid. And anyone who says the term "black ^%&" is just descriptive is equally stupid.

[PerryGroves]

Scott needs to tell him to STFU and get on with it. He is obviously helping his game, but at the cost of being associated with the angry knob.

March him after the Presidents Cup, FFS, either help or be a hinderance. In no way was all this a positive for Scott in the HSBC. You can rationalise what he said any way you want from the world is too PC to he is in the Klan. The simple fact is that he is supposed to be an asset and he aint.

Freddy speaks http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/couples-says-hed-have-fired-williams/

[rubin]

Scott needs to tell him to STFU and get on with it. He is obviously helping his game, but at the cost of being associated with the angry knob.

+1. Although I think it would be a safe assumption he has already been told to pull his head in.

The only person who has a right to have a go at Steve is tiger, who has already accept the apology and moved on. So should the media.

[Daves]

Looks like Stevie isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/steve-williams-exposed-as-a-profane-fool-20111107-1n2h4.html

Pretty patronising article imo, I know who Stevie Williams is, but who the f' is Greg Ford?


March him after the Presidents Cup, FFS, either help or be a hinderance. In no way was all this a positive for Scott in the HSBC. You can rationalise what he said any way you want from the world is too PC to he is in the Klan. The simple fact is that he is supposed to be an asset and he aint.

Freddy speaks http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/couples-says-hed-have-fired-williams/

So it was a President's Cup Yank caddie who made the leak then? Seriously, this has f' all to do with Freddie, but he obviously couldn't resist the point scoring opportunity. I thought you were cooler than that Freddie? Must be the Tiger love.

[TheTrueReview]

Pretty patronising article imo, I know who Stevie Williams is, but who the f' is Greg Ford? ...

Good point. Just another scribe hack.

[just]

Good point. Just another scribe hack.
Why do continually feel the need to make excuses for this oaf? Williams was an idiot and the journalist was pointing that out, as did Greg Norman et al. It appears it's only apologists like you that seem to have some need to defend the man.

[sms316]

Even if he does hate black people (which I doubt) - he's entitled to his opinion and has every right to express it.

[Jarro]

Who really gives a rats !?!

[sms316]

Who really gives a rats !?!
People pushing a racism agenda.

[just]

You have a comprehension problem. I didn't say Williams couldn't say it, I just said he was an fool for saying it in the first place given his position. The man is an offensive oaf.

[sms316]

You have a comprehension problem. I didn't say Williams couldn't say it, I just said he was an fool for saying it in the first place given his position. The man is an offensive oaf.
Why do you find him offensive? He's widely regarded as one of the best caddies in recent times. He's pissed off with a former employer and has vented. Big deal.

[just]

So being a good caddie and being offensive are mutually exclusive? Wow!

His remark was offensive and stupid, you will find very few who will argue that it wasn't. Which is why he had to apologise.

[Dotty]

I thought the journalists had the comprehension problem.

I interpreted it as 'the award was to be shoved up a specific arsehole', rather than calling the person a ____ arsehole.


Now we just need Stevie to stay quiet for 12 months, and the November 2012 editorial will emerge about the caddy ranks being full of bland automatons.

[sms316]

So being a good caddie and being offensive are mutually exclusive? Wow!

His remark was offensive and stupid, you will find very few who will argue that it wasn't. Which is why he had to apologise.
Anyone can be offensive. His remark was barely a blip in the scheme of things. He apologised because he knew it was only going to snowball if he didn't.

[just]

Anyone can be offensive.
You should know, you've made an art form of it.

[sms316]

So? What's your point?

[just]

My point is that you wouldn't know offensive if it bit you the arse. If this was a racist remark (and it wasn't) you wouldn't know it anyway, you've had at least one post deleted for being racist and instead of dealing with it you continually sook.

[sms316]

Meh, I am just playing the game with the administrators because it is their forum and they choose the boundary whether I agree with it or not. If people think racism on any level is not part of everyday life is deluded. Utopia does not exist.

If Tiger had of referred to shoving something up Stevie's white clacker, would he have had to apologise for racist remarks?

[just]

If people think racism on any level is not part of everyday life is deluded. Utopia does not exist.
Doesn't mean we have to read it on the forum.


If Tiger had of referred to shoving something up Stevie's white clacker, would he have had to apologise for racist remarks?
He wouldn't, even if wanted to, he's smarter than Williams.

[sms316]

He wouldn't, even if wanted to, he's smarter than Williams.
OK, Adam Gilchrist was allegedly called a "white .........." by Rashid Latif in a cricket world cup (1999??), and Latif had no case to answer. Pushing aside the ICC's incompetance for one moment, do you think Latif should have been suspended?

[just]

Of course. If you set the standard you should stick to it.

[TourFit]

Like sands through the hourglass...

Like Adam, Tiger & Steve, let's just all move on.

I would like to make it clear I will have no further comments to make on this subject!

[MegaWatty]

Fit. Answer my SMS, you white prick.

[Tongueboy]

SMS? a white prick? maybe?

[TheTrueReview]

Why do continually feel the need to make excuses for this oaf? Williams was an idiot and the journalist was pointing that out, as did Greg Norman et al. It appears it's only apologists like you that seem to have some need to defend the man.

No, no, no. I'm not making excuses for Steve Williams. He makes his fair share of mistakes, as do we all. The context of the event is some boozy private caddies dinner not a meeting of the KKK. Should it have been said (in a perfect world)? Probably not. But it was said & now it's been handled. One thing though. I am alive to the media and its need to 'find' controversial stories & then give as much oxygen to controversy as possible. Higher ratings, circulation etc means premium advertising revenue - that's what it's all about.

[Chilled]

Interesting, Scott has now moved to blocking anyone from posting on his FB wall that has anything other than support for him.

[TheAwesom1]

scott should fire Williams and hire me.

[Goldy]

That'd be awesome!

[mike]

He wouldn't, even if wanted to, he's smarter than Williams.Pfft.

Tiger has the 'stupid' title well and truly wrapped up.

[BrettM]

It's all over now:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tiger-woods-admits-hurt-but-shakes-hands-with-steve-williams/story-e6frg7mf-1226188533429


(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tiger-woods-admits-hurt-but-shakes-hands-with-steve-williams/story-e6frg7mf-1226188533429)

[live4golf]

tea<storm>cup

...see what I did there?

[IanO]

tea<storm>cup

...see what I did there?

L4G you legend! :mrgreen:

[rodders]

Perhaps Stevie could have a chat with John Terry. He'd learn pretty quick how unwise such comments are in sport and life.

[Ferrins]

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[Iain]

Never mind.