The 'Nuts return to Hartfield!

[simmsy]

ok got a 4 slot filled for us on Thursday

Hartfield (cardi-town) Thursday 19th May 8:09am 10th tee -

OMS
Seldom Eagles
TourFit

[MegaWatty]

Date?

[Johnny Canuck]

A day or date might help.

[simmsy]

what you talking about?

[Yossarian]

Pencil.

[MegaWatty]

what you talking about?

I can just as easily edit it back out, if you want to play silly buggers. ;)

[simmsy]

don't be abusing your power mister.

[MegaWatty]

Has your Mrs found your WITB thread yet?

[simmsy]

hahahahahaha!!!!

[Yossarian]

Not yet.

[simmsy]

GULP:shock:

[Yossarian]

It'll be ok, we should make WITB members only forum.

[MegaWatty]

Simmsy, have ever had to resort to having a club sent elsewhere?

[Johnny Canuck]

My old receptionist can answer that if Simmsy would like.

[MegaWatty]

Hahahaha.

[simmsy]

JC when is that TP 07 arriving at my house?

[TourFit]

JC likes to deliver his OWN club to our houses....apparently!

[Pieface]

:lol:

[TourFit]

JC when is that TP 07 arriving at my house?

I'll get it first...then I'll send it on to you.

Compound the Nickent Hybrid issue.

SCHWEET.

[simmsy]

Hot off the press!!!!


The Nut is out of next Thursday's reunion with Hartfield. Apparently he doesn't have his GL# as yet and won't get it for another week or so, so therefore is unable to give it to me to pass onto the Pro-Nut.

[simmsy]

_insert "disappoint" here_

[MegaWatty]

Whatever.

[Pieface]

C'mon 'nut. Harty with sweet greens would have been just the thing.
Blow out 'cap, keep respect.

[TourFit]

I'll take his place...haven't played since SH, and won't play THIS w'end or next w'end either!!!

I can still wear my Adidas gear...but in beige (to fit in at Harty)

[simmsy]

ok mate. Yoss is in pencil - yoss when can you commit? there is a 4ball free at 8:16 that we have grabbed. i feel sorry for Mr. Wu.

[TourFit]

So if it's a 4 Ball... and so far it's Simmsy, Seldom and 'Nut (and he's NOT likely) then wouldn't Yoss and myself make 4?

Or am I missing something?

[simmsy]

yes that is correct, but 'nut still needs to confirm one way or the other. i would think it's safe to say you will get a game on thursday with me and SE.

[Golfnut]

I'm checking into getting my g/link number early simmsy so keep me in pencil please.....will confirm at the latest by Monday one way or another but if I get the number, I'm a definite.

[TourFit]

You've 'definately' been going to be joining PGN too...do you mean this kind of definately? Or the kind of definately the rest of us use?

[SeldomEagles]

ok mate. Yoss is in pencil - yoss when can you commit? there is a 4ball free at 8:16 that we have grabbed. i feel sorry for Mr. Wu.

Had a round with Mr Wu last week, nothing at all phased him. Went around played his shots, announced his scores, checked his card, then went home.

[Golfnut]

You've 'definately' been going to be joining PGN too...do you mean this kind of definately? Or the kind of definately the rest of us use?

Your in either way duckman so go back to figuring out your outfit for Thursday.

[TourFit]

Something beige I thought...to blend in.

Some of the old buggers (simmsy included) would keel over if I wore the SH gear!!!

[rubin]

Your in either way duckman so go back to figuring out your outfit for Thursday.

:smt038

[Golfnut]

Something beige I thought...to blend in.

Some of the old buggers (simmsy included) would keel over if I wore the SH gear!!!

Do it for a laugh 'Fit........BTW re.PM me with whatever you were trying to earlier this week, I'm assuming it's related to the Nippons.

[MegaWatty]

Fit. We all agreed that there was no way that you would wear, let alone own, the lime green trousers that were being paraded around Hartfield yesterday. You've got nothin'.

Whatever trousers you wear, I'm sure they'll be parallel tip though*.

*Credit to Simmsy for this one.

[Johnny Canuck]

Awesome, awesome, awesome. 35cm tip.

[TourFit]

Fit. We all agreed that there was no way that you would wear, let alone own, the lime green trousers that were being paraded around Hartfield yesterday. You've got nothin'.

Whatever trousers you wear, I'm sure they'll be parallel tip though*.

*Credit to Simmsy for this one.


Yep...it's parallel ALL the way down to the tip.

How'd you know pencil dick?

[Yossarian]

I will sit this one oot fellas.

[MegaWatty]

Yep...it's parallel ALL the way down from the hip.

Yup.

[TourFit]

Yep...it's parallel ALL the way down from your lip!

;)

[MegaWatty]

:-k

[Golfnut]

I'm checking into getting my g/link number early simmsy so keep me in pencil please.....will confirm at the latest by Monday one way or another but if I get the number, I'm a definite.

Email sent off last night to the PGN lads so hopefully I'll hear back soon.....the scores for Thursday's round were up so I'm assuming the cards have been updated to the golflink website.

[MegaWatty]

I don't believe you will have a Golflink number until you have submitted 3 cards. They will then create a number along with your handicap made up of 3 manual adjustments.

[Golfnut]

They take your 1st carded score, calculate a suitable handicap and then enter that in as your first 3 cards from what I was told.

[MegaWatty]

Wrong. You have either interpreted what they've said incorrectly or they are doing it wrong. The rules are pretty plainly laid out by the AGU.

Perhaps they will sort out you 'club handicap' this way, but it is not official until you have 3 cards.

[Ned]

3. Allotment of Australian Handicap
(A) Allocation of Australian Handicap to Player Who Has NOT Previously Held an Australian Handicap or Recognised Overseas Equivalent
In order for a player who has NOT previously held an Australian Handicap or recognised overseas equivalent to obtain an Australian Handicap, the following process must be followed:
(i) Have the player clarify in writing that they have not previously held an Australian Handicap or recognised overseas equivalent.
(ii) The player must submit three cards which will be adjusted by the Handicap Manager or Handicap Committee by treating any score by a male of more than 3 over par at any holes as 3 over par, and treating any score by a female of more than 4 over par at any holes as 4 over par. Any stipulated Extra Day or competition round of between 9 and 18 holes inclusive returned on ANY course with an ACR will be acceptable for this purpose (subject to the normal additional conditions a Club may place on Extra Day Scores).
Note: This adjustment is only made to the initial three cards.
(iii) After the adjustments have been made, the difference between the amended score and the ACR of each card is ascertained (note: Gross Score – ACR = Handicap Differential). Once three scores have been returned, the resultant three handicap differentials are compared, with the two worst handicap differentials being disregarded.
(iv) The details of the player‟s best handicap differential are recorded in the player‟s handicap record as the player‟s first official score (these same details are then added to the player‟s handicap record a further two times such that the player‟s handicap record will contain three official scores all with the exact same details). (GOLF Link CLUBS MUST REFER TO SECTION 3B FOR INSTRUCTIONS AS TO HOW THIS PROCESS IS TO BE EFFECTED IN GOLF Link.)
Note i: Section 4 details the procedure by which these and other scores are utilised to calculate an Australian Handicap.
Note ii: The Handicap Manager or Handicap Committee should immediately effect a handicap adjustment (see Section 4F) if it has good reason (other than that provided by any previously-held handicap (see Section 3C if the player has previously held an official handicap)) to consider that a lower or higher handicap is more appropriate to the player's ability than that which results from this process. In such a case, the Club is not required to act in accordance with Section 8.
Note iii: Any previously-held

[MegaWatty]

Hmmmm. Looks like I'm right about 3 over max per hole and 3 cards being required along with the 3 manual adjustments. This stuff is easy!

;)

[Golfnut]

You're so good.

[Johnny Canuck]

You're.

[MegaWatty]

I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong. I was trying to help you out.

JC, on the other hand...

[Golfnut]

You're.

Fixed.....was rushing to attend to my 10 month old who spewed up after sticking her brothers toy too far down her throat. :smt078

[Golfnut]

I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong. I was trying to help you out.



More than likely oot then, that is unless they use the system as explained to me.......thanks for your help Megamod :D

[Johnny Canuck]

You're.

Welcome!

[Yossarian]

Couldn't you use the card for handicapping purposes?

[TourFit]

Possibly...but it's a comp, and he needs a Golflink number to get in it I would think.

But good plan Yoss... it'd be MUCH easier for him to card a 99 (or worse) at Harty and get away with it!!!

[Yossarian]

You can play as a member guest in a comp can't you?

[Golfnut]

Did at WAGC couple weeks ago.

[Golfnut]

But good plan Yoss... it'd be MUCH easier for him to card a 99 (or worse) at Harty and get away with it!!!

I like your thinking 'Fit ;)

[adlo]

Should be OK, but if comp gets full a G/L# might be required. Otherwise, can't see an issue.

Mind you, it is Hartfield.

[Yossarian]

It is known as woodchippin round HF, not sandbagging. Dirty.

[MegaWatty]

Should be OK, but if comp gets full a G/L# might be required. Otherwise, can't see an issue.

Mind you, it is Hartfield.

Probably more of a fact that we just don't want his non-spending arse around the place.

[adlo]

Good point. Can you lowball a comp fee?

[Veefore]

Rounds to count for your first handicap can only be done at your home club. You can't play as a visitor at a club in a comp without an official handicap. You can play if they let you (eg the field isn't full) but it won't count for the comp and it can't be used toward your first handicap.

[MegaWatty]

You can use cards from anywhere now, and not specifically in comp rounds. You just need your cards to be verified by someone with a current AGU handicap.

[Yossarian]

Rounds to count for your first handicap can only be done at your home club. You can't play as a visitor at a club in a comp without an official handicap. You can play if they let you (eg the field isn't full) but it won't count for the comp and it can't be used toward your first handicap.

I did my cards for bunbury at KB, MCC and Bunbury? Does nut even have a home track?

[adlo]

Veefore, I am afraid MW is spot on there.

[Golfnut]

I did my cards for bunbury at KB, MCC and Bunbury? Does nut even have a home track?

5 Actually :D

[simmsy]

Nut - i'll ask the Nut at Harty on Monday and see what he says.

[Golfnut]

Cheers simmsy.....be good to put another card in at least and have a good look around the course again.

[Veefore]

You can use cards from anywhere now, and not specifically in comp rounds. You just need your cards to be verified by someone with a current AGU handicap.

I'll take your word for it, it's been a long time since I had to worry about it.

[Veefore]

Nut - i'll ask the Nut at Harty on Monday and see what he says.

Ask Rob or Mick, not Sean. He's probably as out of touch as I am.

[Nuffie]

Mick in the office told me about a month ago that counting rounds for a hcp must be played in an affiliated comp. And this goes for any score that counts to your golflink.

In the old days, you could submit a card during a practice round, for e.g. Even in easy course conditions, as long as you played alongside a member and they signed the card.

But now they only count in a comp. If I was to guess, maybe this ruling has something to do with the fact a daily CCR is not used anymore.

[adlo]

I think he is mistaken Nuffie.

You need 3 cards, only one needs to be from your home course. Comps not required.

[TourFit]

Cheers simmsy.....be good to put another card in, shoot 120, and at least and have a REALLY good look around the course again.

Fixed.

And that WOULD be a good look too. Places members wouldn't even know are there

[Yossarian]

I think he is mistaken Nuffie.

You need 3 cards, only one needs to be from your home course. Comps not required.

Zis.

[simmsy]

when i did my card joining harty it was 3 cards from anywhere as long as one was at Harty. i did one at Pinjarra, MGGC & Harty.

[MegaWatty]

I didn't have to play at The Colonial when I joined.

[Golfnut]

Fixed.

And that WOULD be a good look too. Places members wouldn't even know are there

That's ACTUALLY what I meant 'Fit :roll: get with it plz.

1st time out there has been erased from my memory for good reason....only difference between now & then is now I OCCASIONALLY make contact with the ball.

If I shoot somewhere between 99 & 120 that will be a "great success"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x165/BXT007/Unknown-3.jpg

[Golfnut]

I think he is mistaken Nuffie.

You need 3 cards, only one needs to be from your home course. Comps not required.

So a social round at Cott on Monday with a handicapped partner will count?
What does one do with the card once the rounds completed?

[MegaWatty]

Give them to the guys at PGN. The round has to be played under complete riles conditions. No mulligans, no just dropping a ball near the bushes when youve lost one and calling a provisional etc etc.

[simmsy]

and make sure the card is signed off correctly.

[SeldomEagles]

So a social round at Cott on Monday with a handicapped partner will count?
What does one do with the card once the rounds completed?

Would be bloody hard work getting the wheelchair up some of those hills

[Yossarian]

and make sure the card is signed off correctly.

And that there is only 14 clubs and no shrubbery moved.

[adlo]

Did you guys hear that Kenny Perry just joined the PGN?

[MegaWatty]

Good to see him getting back to 'Grass Roots'. :)

[simmsy]

stop it you two, i just overfilled my colostomy bag:oops:

[Johnny Canuck]

Good and nasty boys.

[Golfnut]

Give them to the guys at PGN. The round has to be played under complete riles conditions. No mulligans, no just dropping a ball near the bushes when youve lost one and calling a provisional etc etc.

Explain the 'riles condition' again for the punters plz.....thought I had caught something similar the last time I was out on the course after sitting on a cold,wet, limestone wall but the Doc said that it was piles.

[MegaWatty]

I don't have to help out.

[Golfnut]

Golflink No: 6911400323

[Veefore]

Congrats on becoming "legit" GN!

[simmsy]

WOW! it's a great thing to see. Well done nut. No scores in as yet i see but i'll give this to the proshop and tell them you are doing your cards up atm. should be all good i hope mate.

[adlo]

Yep, very happy to see it, well done GN.

How long did your wife let you wear the pants before you had to give them back? Just long enough to pay the PGN fees?

[Golfnut]

Thanks chaps.

Adlo, cash is king :)

[Yossarian]

You didn't tell her?

[Golfnut]

She knows all!

[simmsy]

she knows all but did you tell her?

[Nuffie]

Well done to our own WA summer cup winner Sorocks again, shooting 40 pts at Harty today. Now that is something special...

Golfnut, I will be joining you soon on PGN.

[Golfnut]

Well done to our own WA summer cup winner Sorocks again, shooting 40 pts at Harty today. Now that is something special...

Outstanding Canuck....:smt038:smt038


Golfnut, I will be joining you soon on PGN.

Good news Nuff.....make sure you mention you have the current Golf Voucher book as this entitles you to 20% off the joining fee. (you can grab one of mine if you want before the day you register) The fee will be prorated as their calendar year is from Jan 1.

[Johnny Canuck]

Cheers guys. Super happy about my first par comp round at Harty. Left a few out there unfortunately. 2 x 3 jacks (one on a lipped eagle) and a duffed chip hurt.

The 4 wedge setup suits me.

[adlo]

Good shootin Canuck, you have been having quite the purple patch. Good to see.

[Golfnut]

Try 6 wedges next time then :mrgreen:

[Johnny Canuck]

Hitting every iron gripped down 1 inch. basically playing irons one inch shorter than standard and hitting greens.

[simmsy]

great effort mate, solid stuff gotta be happy. will you make pennants team this year you think??

good luck with it mate.

[Johnny Canuck]

if i stop playing comps and leave my cap on 3.5, i am in. today was good for me in that i played with the pennants boys, but told them that i'd skip the match play as i needed to drop the handicap. coming in with a 72 will certainly help my cause. the bird, bird, bird finish made me a happy man!

[simmsy]

good job. nice shootin tex especially when it counts with them watching on.

[Yossarian]

Well done sorrocks prick.

[MegaWatty]

Nice work on the win and turning a Golfnut thread into your appreciation thread. :)

[Nuffie]

Well that is pure raw talent right there. To do exactly what you said you were gonna do, and also playing with a few of the gun players. Now that has to put you right in the mix.

It amazes me how Canuck always shots a blinder right when he has to. A big time play when the pressure is on. A bit like skins really :) he loves it when the pressure is on.

One year ago we trialled for pennants and I actually beat
him (very luckily might I add and also finishing in the dark) on a course that he hadnt completely figured out just yet. Now look at him go, he's adapted his former KB game to the conditions. He deserves all the accolades that go his way.

[Yossarian]

Nice work on the win and turning a Golfnut thread into your appreciation thread. :)

It is his ultra competitive streak coming out.

[Yossarian]

Well that is pure raw talent right there. To do exactly what you said you were gonna do, and also playing with a few of the gun players. Now that has to put you right in the mix.

It amazes me how Canuck always shots a blinder right when he has to. A big time play when the pressure is on. A bit like skins really :) he loves it when the pressure is on.

Last year we trialled an I beat him on a course that he hadnt quite figured out. Now he's looking right at home, and adapted his former KB game to the conditions. He deserves all the accolades that go his way.

Wow nuff need a tissue and some baby oil?

[MegaWatty]

You beat Canuck, Nuffie?

[Johnny Canuck]

Nice work on the win and turning a Golfnut thread into your appreciation thread. :)

Can we change the title already?

Yoss, baby oil comment made me laugh out loud.

[Yossarian]

Can we change the title already?

Yoss, baby oil comment made me laugh out loud.

I can feel it.... Down in my pluuuums.

[MegaWatty]

Can we change the title already?

Done.

[Nuffie]

You beat Canuck, Nuffie?
A year ago I was lucky enough to 2 and 1. But I doubt it if that will ever happen again. He is playing better now than he ever did at KB as Hartfield has so much more to it IMO.

[Johnny Canuck]

And the bunkers no longer have water for you to skip 3 irons across.

[MegaWatty]

Done.

And again.

[Shadesy]

Yoss, baby oil comment made me laugh out loud.

I concur with this sentiment!

[Golfnut]

Nice work on the win and turning a Golfnut thread into your appreciation thread. :)

Not only near perfect golf but perfect thread jack too.....can anybody stop JC?

[Nuffie]

And the bunkers no longer have water for you to skip 3 irons across.

Haha, I actually played a 5 iron that day and two weeks ago played the exact SAME shot, also with a 5 iron but no water involved. If you are in trouble in the trees, right on 2nd this year in a match, try it. It is one of the pots you can skip through but need momentum going in.

[Yossarian]

This thread needs some moose sex.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1478/statutoryrapemoosewithb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/statutoryrapemoosewithb.jpg/)

[Nuffie]

I actually started the threadjack, lol, by mentioning JCs amazing result, sorry GN.

Not to steal your thunder, we are still proud that you finally have your g-link number and hopefully you can get a run this week at harty. Let's hope they let you play.

A great week for the Canuck and 'Nut. Good news is what gets the new week off to a good start...

[MegaWatty]

I didn't realise Canuck won!

[Nuffie]

I didn't realise Canuck won!

And he knocked off the club champ for best gross too!

Great effort that.

[Golfnut]

I actually started the threadjack, lol, by mentioning JCs amazing result, sorry GN.

Not to steal your thunder, we are still proud that you finally have your g-link number and hopefully you can get a run this week at harty. Let's hope they let you play.

A great week for the Canuck and 'Nut. Good news is what gets the new week off to a good start...

Ha ha.....no apologize required mate. Me getting a golflink number pails into insignificance compared to JC's performance, he deserves the lime light.

[MegaWatty]

OMG. I have spooge all over the inside of the screen making it hard to read. Calm down lads.

[simmsy]

Mega - they need you back in the aimnhit thread.

[MegaWatty]

Mega - they need you back in the aimnhit thread.

Eh?

[simmsy]

:)

[Johnny Canuck]

OMG. I have spooge all over the inside of the screen making it hard to read. Calm down lads.


Mega - they need you back in the aimnhit thread.

Beat me to it Simmo. It's like Fit and Mega fighting over Bowdo's nutsac.

[MegaWatty]

Beat me to it Simmo. It's like Fit and Mega fighting over Bowdo's nutsac.

Errrr. I'd have another look there. I have nothing on fit. My main game was finding out if he was the real deal. I think there's also some Nuffie love as well.

[TourFit]

... He is playing better now than he ever did at KB as Hartfield has so much more to it IMO.

:shock:

I'm confused...is Nuffie saying what I think he is sayin'.

And then leaving!

[Nuffie]

Hartfield demands a big variety of shots. It has wind, tight lies, tough greens, varying bunkers. A lot to constantly be a master of.

It takes a very good golfer at the top of their game, to adapt to all these things. I have grown to realize that this is now beyond me.

[Golfnut]

Hartfield demands a big variety of shots. It has wind, tight lies, tough greens, varying bunkers. A lot to constantly be a master of.

The sum of which means I'm totally ****ED :smt087

[MegaWatty]

Just bunt it around and you'll be fine.

[Golfnut]

Just bunt it around and you'll be fine.

I was thinking that......if the old boys can get around there hitting grubbers all day, I might follow their lead.

[MegaWatty]

However, you still have to putt...

[Nuffie]

Golfnut, you have the cap to cope with the challenges. I was trying to get to 5 for over 3 years. I'm not saying it won't happen playing anywhere else but at Hartfield I think it's out of the question.

Guess that speaks for how difficult I feel harty is. Ive never had 40 pts or more round there in 2.5 years of
trying. My best there off the stick is 4 over par. It should have been better but never was.

[idgolfguy]

Golfnut, you have the cap to cope with the challenges. I was trying to get to 5 for over 3 years. I'm not saying it won't happen playing anywhere else but at Hartfield I think it's out of the question.

Guess that speaks for how difficult I feel harty is. Ive never had 40 pts or more round there in 2.5 years of
trying. My best there off the stick is 4 over par. It should have been better but never was.
Ignore Nuffie, 'Nut. He has a complex about Hartfield. The reality is, as our newly appointed moderator so rightly points out, just bunt it around like the cardio-arrest set do.

There are four ways to play Hartfield generally:
1. Bunt it if you are a high handicappers and make net pars,
2. Use hybrids so that you don't run out of fairway, if you are a low handicapper and make regular pars from 140 out,
3. Drive the par 5 tee shots well ensuring the third shot is an eagle chance or solid birdie. This also appliesnto the longer straight par 4s. These shots are usually in the realm of the low handicappers,
4. Do not try any perceived risk-reward shots. The course is not designed for it and punishes those that try unduly.

On the greens, hit to the hole. They can break unpredictably occasionally in front or after and that is just bad luck...or poor greens management at Hartfield. Somewhat reknowned for that according to its members. Unpredictability is not challenging, just poor design or management.

[idgolfguy]

http://www.ozgolf.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11747&d=1305468891 :)
Moderator, isn't this child porn?

[MegaWatty]

Moderator, isn't this child porn?

Art?

I wouldn't say the greens are unpredictable, but more that you have to understand the subtle breaks. If you're a good green reader, you shouldn't have a problem, but just don't take what your mind thinks they're going to do as gospel.

[idgolfguy]

Subtleties are a different kettle of fish. Skill comesnin playnthen.

[Nuffie]

Yep, simmsy and ID have summed up harty. It's a course you need to manage correctly and this takes time and skill but golfnut u will be fine.

It's just guys like me that like setting very challenging goals for themselves struggle around it. In the past I was like JC and could rise to a challenge. It's fair to say that some WA courses have proved just how good you need to be.

[SeldomEagles]

Being as everyone is giving Nut advice. Hit fairways, if you miss fairways get the ball back on the fairway sideways is usually the safe option. Putting pick a line and commit to it, watch the ball as it sails past the hole it'll give you a line on the way back which when you look at it won't be the same as how it broke going past the hole. As a visitor don't wear any loud colours it'll scare the cardio crowd into another heart attack. Other than that it is a piece of pie!!

[Pieface]

Jeebus Nuff take some happy pills or summink.

[Yossarian]

Just write 4's on the card when you had 7's. Also use the foot wedge.

[Veefore]

On the greens, hit to the hole. They can break unpredictably occasionally in front or after and that is just bad luck...or poor greens management at Hartfield. Somewhat reknowned for that according to its members. Unpredictability is not challenging, just poor design or management.
Don't know where you got that coz it's a load of shit.
Some of the greens were designed to be subtle. To look like they break one way at first glance but actually break the other or go straight. A proper look usually shows the correct break.

You may not like it but that doesn't make itpoor design or management.

[Johnny Canuck]

Agree with V. Greens aren't bad at all.

[rubin]

Just write 4's on the card when you had 7's. Also use the foot wedge.

I love that club. Best club in the bag - always 100% reliable. ;)

[Shadesy]

What Shaft do you recommend in the FW?

[rubin]

What Shaft do you recommend in the FW?

something thats not too stiff, with a good "kick" point. :D

[idgolfguy]

Don't know where you got that coz it's a load of shit.
Some of the greens were designed to be subtle. To look like they break one way at first glance but actually break the other or go straight. A proper look usually shows the correct break.

You may not like it but that doesn't make itpoor design or management.
Not my opinion regarding the greens. It was the Hartfield members themselves. i have not had an issue with them. I don't putt any worse then anywhere else. I have said that I like the speed and the greens in past when I have played there. Reminds me of Chequers in days gone by when their greens were sublime.

My comment is that if they (any greens) are unpredictable then, it is poor design or management. Poor writing on my part. My comments are bard on the comments I hear at the end of the round to the members themselves.

The Vines, for example, have been and are still experiencing issues.

[rubin]

Not my opinion regarding the greens. It was the Hartfield members themselves. i have not had an issue with them. I don't putt any worse then anywhere else. I have said that I like the speed and the greens in past when I have played there. Reminds me of Chequers in days gone by when their greens were sublime.

My comment is that if they (any greens) are unpredictable then, it is poor design or management. Poor writing on my part. My comments are bard on the comments I hear at the end of the round to the members themselves.

The Vines, for example, have been and are still experiencing issues.

Having played the vines about 4 or 5 times now in the recent months, I get the feeling that they are about to start a re-development for want of a better word.

[Pieface]

I hope they sort the greens out up there ID. The rest of the course is in nice nick but I doubt you could play two consecutive holes with the greens running the same.

[rubin]

I hope they sort the greens out up there ID. The rest of the course is in nice nick but I doubt you could play two consecutive holes with the greens running the same.

I beg to differ..... 9 and 10 both run the same, you have to allow for equal amounts of duck crap on your path.

[idgolfguy]

The crap is due to coring and sanding. As Ellenbrook has been cored, The Lakes is now cleaner.

[simmsy]

speaking of duck crap, spoke with the ass. pro at Hartfield today and Golfnut as we spoke about on the phone mate, they won't let you play on thursday sorry mate.

i was told that Hartfield and all private courses are clamping down on the social (mining) type membership clubs. At this point in time Hartfield are not allowing GL#'s from anywhere but actual members of golf clubs ie: ML, Ktown, Bunbury. He said he believes it will soon be the case that the social GL memberships will play a premium for green fees while members of other golf clubs will pay what they now pay.

I think this may have come about also due to Hartfield and a number of other clubs now offering heavily discounted membership packages for fly in/fly out people.

sorry nut.

[rubin]

speaking of duck crap, spoke with the ass. pro at Hartfield today and Golfnut as we spoke about on the phone mate, they won't let you play on thursday sorry mate.

i was told that Hartfield and all private courses are clamping down on the social (mining) type membership clubs. At this point in time Hartfield are not allowing GL#'s from anywhere but actual members of golf clubs ie: ML, Ktown, Bunbury. He said he believes it will soon be the case that the social GL memberships will play a premium for green fees while members of other golf clubs will pay what they now pay.

I think this may have come about also due to Hartfield and a number of other clubs now offering heavily discounted membership packages for fly in/fly out people.

sorry nut.

That sounds pretty shit. I would have thought that it would be going the other way trying to increase interest and Green fees.

[Pieface]

Did you tell them 'nut would wear a cardi if they let him on?

[MegaWatty]

Not really. It's to stop people trying to cheat the system. I understand this decision.

[TourFit]

speaking of duck crap, spoke with the ass. pro at Hartfield today and Golfnut as we spoke about on the phone mate, they won't let you play on thursday sorry mate.
... sorry nut.

I read the first phrase and thought there was gonna be a reference to me.

I'm not paranoid... though it doesn't mean you guys still aren't out to get me! ;)

[simmsy]

yep that's right Mega, its trying to stop people paying the $200 or what ever a year and being able to play on any course in comps.

i imagine most members at most clubs don't want it getting out of hand.

[simmsy]

speaking of duck crap, did i tell you about the one where a club fitter waddled into a bar..........

quack...quack...quack..

[Shadesy]

Golf Clubs are stuck in the 80's Rubin, where a membership was "exclusive" and attracting golf members was secondary.

You will find most clubs are struggling to make budget and complain about the lack of Funds, but are constantly stopping the golfing public from playing as above.

Not having a go at Hartfield at all as it is probably most clubs. Sure some people like to pay for the exclusivity but i would suggest that is a minority rather than the majority.

[Pieface]

If you have a GL# and are a members guest you would think it should be OK. You are not just out of the blue...

[MegaWatty]

Hartfield is profitable or close to it. When you have up to 200 members for 4 comps a week, then it's not really a problem.

I know I joined one of these GL only clubs to try and cheat the system. I had to upgrade it to a real membership for this exact reason.

[TourFit]

Tolerance and 'every so often' are phrases which come to mind here...

...problem is MORE & MORE people are 'abusing' the system, and in some cases the hospitality of some clubs, by over using the restricted rights allowed by things such as country memberships/reciprocals and social type organisations with GL numbers.

At the end of the day members clubs are just that. They are for the members, and the members comps are often full...so initial rights have to go to those FULL paying players. You would think that other times (even the less than full comps) would be OK...but again, it comes down to the few seeming to spoil it for the many!!

[Golfnut]

If you have a GL# and are a members guest you would think it should be OK. You are not just out of the blue...

My thoughts exactly....blow-ins should definitely not be allowed imo. The fact that a non-member needs to be invited with a full paid member would/should self-police itself one would think.

From what I hear, Shadsey's right with regards to some private clubs struggling.....others aren't so I suppose they are able to dictate their patronage.

[BayBum]

My thoughts exactly....blow-ins should definitely not be allowed imo. The fact that a non-member needs to be invited with a full paid member would/should self-police itself one would think.

From what I hear, Shadsey's right with regards to some private clubs struggling.....others aren't so I suppose they are able to dictate their patronage.

True dat.

Sounds like some toff nose Augusta like BS if you ask me & if this thinking takes flight & all clubs follow,golf will be set back 30 years.

[idgolfguy]

The Vines is heavily subsidising the Fly-in/outs. Members aren't happy due to the rorting that goes on.

These new members have fully playing rights to all events and taking places of full fee paying members.

[Johnny Canuck]

Sorry to hear nut.

Does this mean Nuffie won't be able to playing Harty in a comp?

[Golfnut]

The Vines is heavily subsidising the Fly-in/outs. Members aren't happy due to the rorting that goes on.

These new members have fully playing rights to all events and taking places of full fee paying members.

I don't think that's right ID.....from memory the PGN play Vines comps twice a week now.

[Johnny Canuck]

The two have nothing to do with each other Nut.

[Nuffie]

Sorry to hear nut.

Does this mean Nuffie won't be able to playing Harty in a comp?

IMHO this totally sux. Looks like I won't be seeing Hartfield for a while.

I know clubs are struggling, but is making ppl pay more really the answer. Its going to push ppl out of the golfing market, that's exactly what it's going to do. It's an example of what someone mentioned earlier, minority spoiling it for
majority.

But after all, in this state it always has been a rich man's
game. How will young ppl in their 20s ever be able to join a private club, the way things are heading?

[idgolfguy]

Pgn, may have access to Wednesday only. No issues there. The Flyins are a different matter. I don't mind the situation if it is fair and equitable. I only disagree if the system is used as a scam.

Pgn works if you want to play golf, not necessarily the case for member comps and is at the discretion of the club in question.

[Golfnut]

The two have nothing to do with each other Nut.

What do you mean JC?.....I am saying that members SHOULD always have 1st preference, us PGN or Miners members shouldn't be taking the place of full paying members at the Vines comps.....it will only lead to the PGN having a bad name round town. I'm not sure but I think the PGN comps run seperately to the Vines member's comps, Sunday comp may be the exception.....is that right ID?

[Johnny Canuck]

ID is talking about fly in fly out memberships at the Vines. You are talking about PGN. Unless I am reading it wrong, they are two different things.

[rubin]

What do you mean JC?.....I am saying that members SHOULD always have 1st preference, us PGN or Miners members shouldn't be taking the place of full paying members at the Vines comps.....it will only lead to the PGN having a bad name round town. I'm not sure but I think the PGN comps run seperately to the Vines member's comps, Sunday comp may be the exception.....is that right ID?


ID is talking about fly in fly out memberships at the Vines. You are talking about PGN. Unless I am reading it wrong, they are two different things.

What JC Said.

A fi-Fo member of a particular club, is still a member of the club. they just have reduced rights as they cannot quite simply use it enough. I do know that many clubs make you prove (i.e employer letter etc.) that you are Fi-Fo.

[Nuffie]

ID is talking about fly in fly out memberships at the Vines. You are talking about PGN. Unless I am reading it wrong, they are two different things.

Two of the administrators that run the Miners Club are also administrators for the PGN, but JC your right - they are two different things.

But sometimes some of their games/courses line up. E.g. Vines on a Sunday and Secret Harbour on a Friday.

[Johnny Canuck]

Nuffie, the Miner's Club has nothing to do with it. I am not referring to them.

FFS, I'm referring to FI/FO memberships AT THE VINES.

[Yossarian]

What about the Miners though JC?

[Shadesy]

Won't somebody think of the miners!

[rubin]

without being to harsh - **** the miners. if they want to play, join a club. its not like the money is a problem.

[Johnny Canuck]

If anyone has seen The Big Lebowski, I feel like I am surrounded by 2 Donnies.

[Nuffie]

Nuffie, the Miner's Club has nothing to do with it. I am not referring to them.

FFS, I'm referring to FI/FO memberships AT THE VINES.

Hopefully one day I'll afford a Drive-In, Drive-Out membership from the new house.

[idgolfguy]

Pgn have no rights to member comps at Vines. Wednesdays are scrounger comps and open to other clubs without invitation. Saturday comps are available if slots are available. FI/FO are an internal issue andbshould not have raised it.

PGN will get you on the Vines to play at a PGN comp. They play off the whites. Think of it as WAGL but with golflink and reduced rates. They wont be able to participate in Pennants and AGU open events.

Miners is similar and is PGN for FI/FO.

This is my take and at this juncture, I can't see any reason why a private club would want to change. Resort courses are different and are set up for walkin clientele.

[Yossarian]

If anyone has seen The Big Lebowski, I feel like I am surrounded by 2 Donnies.

Walter is Tiger. Nuffles reminds me a bit of Donny.

It really tied the room together.

[idgolfguy]

Hopefully one day I'll afford a Drive-In, Drive-Out membership from the new house.
Forget about membership for a year or 18 months. If need be, join Chequers for $16/week. The course conditions are getting better but will still be more difficult than Hartfield.

I'm sure leasing at Vines is still available.

[Johnny Canuck]

Pgn have no rights to member comps at Vines. Wednesdays are scrounger comps and open to other clubs without invitation. Saturday comps are available if slots are available. FI/FO are an internal issue andbshould not have raised it.

PGN will get you on the Vines to play at a PGN comp. They play off the whites. Think of it as WAGL but with golflink and reduced rates. They wont be able to participate in Pennants and AGU open events.

Miners is similar and is PGN for FI/FO.

This is my take and at this juncture, I can't see any reason why a private club would want to change. Resort courses are different and are set up for walkin clientele.

Vic. You've just confused them more. I look forward to this thread going on for another 16 pages now.


Walter is Tiger. Nuffles reminds me a bit of Donny.

It really tied the room together.

A bit? That is the best call you've made regarding Walter.

[idgolfguy]

I broke it up into small paragraphs to aid processing.

[Johnny Canuck]

Does anyone know how you increase and decrease font size using a touchpad? I keep doing it accidentally and it's driving me nuts.

[Yossarian]

I am sure the Coen's actually met Tiger and Nuffles before writing the film.

[rubin]

generally u do it by holding the control key while swiping up or down. alternatively the newer ones can do it the same way an iphone can zoom.

[Johnny Canuck]

I broke it up into small paragraphs to aid processing.

It won't help.

But what about the miners, Dude?

[hocko]

F*** the miners, F*** the FI/FO's give us poor city dwellers a decent deal i say!

[Johnny Canuck]

generally u do it by holding the control key while swiping up or down. alternatively the newer ones can do it the same way an iphone can zoom.

Thanks Rubin. The iphone way is what I was looking for. I have somehow been doing it with one finger though.

I kept having to go back to the control keys to get it back to the right size.

[rubin]

F*** the miners, F*** the FI/FO's give us poor city dwellers a decent deal i say!

+100

[idgolfguy]

I give up!

I have lots of chips on the kitchen bench. I even brought some barbecue shapes.

[Johnny Canuck]

HA!

[hocko]

Snap.

[Golfnut]

Would I have a problem getting into the Wednesday morning comp out at KB Yoss?

[Yossarian]

No idea mate, doubt the would say no to the cash dizzle though.

[Johnny Canuck]

none.

[MegaWatty]

Awesome thread.

[bergsey]

Lots of clubs have good deals for younger members e.g. under 30. I know that WAGC waives and/or reduces noms for players in their 20's joining

Obviously clubs aren't struggling if they are tightening up the rules a bit. WAGC has a waiting list again and noms have increased to $4.5k. Year on year the club doesn't make a massive profit but can afford to keep the course in top notch nick. Thats what you pay for

I don't have a problem with people bringing guests during off peak comp times whether they play socially or actually in the comp. I would have a problem if someone paying $200 a year prevented me from getting a spot in a comp at my own club though esp when i'm paying $2k

[Golfnut]

Someone take me off the 1st post plz, I'm getting really mixed emotions.

[Golfnut]

I don't have a problem with people bringing guests during off peak comp times whether they play socially or actually in the comp. I would have a problem if someone paying $200 a year prevented me from getting a spot in a comp at my own club though esp when i'm paying $2k

I think we ALL agree on that point.

[idgolfguy]

So why did you join PGN? It has no value?

[bergsey]

Hang on Nut let me get a beer and get comfortable before you answer that ! :)

[idgolfguy]

So why did you join PGN? It has no value?
You can't even play Cardifield on one of their open days.

[MegaWatty]

You can ID and you're always welcome. ;)

[idgolfguy]

Would love to - always enjoy the course but work gets in the way.

I was going to SA next Monday to run a 2 hour workshop for UNISA and then fly back. I have managed to get an extra couple of days and hopefully fill that with work. The upshot is that I may take Thursday off, if there is room.

[MegaWatty]

Simmsy can look after that. I'm in!

[idgolfguy]

I'll pm him for the 26th

[simmsy]

Will sort it idg.

[Pieface]

So why did you join PGN? It has no value?


Hang on Nut let me get a beer and get comfortable before you answer that ! :)


You can't even play Cardifield on one of their open days.

I'd better point out at at this juncture that GN has a large truck, a ready supply of shovels and a keen interest in the lobster industry.

As he doesn't know where I live I'll watch how this thread develops with interest :)

[Veefore]

Not my opinion regarding the greens. It was the Hartfield members themselves. i have not had an issue with them. I don't putt any worse then anywhere else. I have said that I like the speed and the greens in past when I have played there. Reminds me of Chequers in days gone by when their greens were sublime.

My comment is that if they (any greens) are unpredictable then, it is poor design or management. Poor writing on my part. My comments are bard on the comments I hear at the end of the round to the members themselves.

The Vines, for example, have been and are still experiencing issues.

I knew it wasn't, you've made your opinions known before. I thought it was probably just made up crap from an ignorant member trying to sound knowledgeable.

[Veefore]

Not really. It's to stop people trying to cheat the system. I understand this decision.

There is a lot of that going on at the moment and members are getting sick of it and complaining.
Hartfield has received a lot of complaints from members about two different issues at the moment. The latest, as members will have seen is 5 & 6 day members playing out of class. The worst part was that it was being "assisted" by someone who should have known better. The management committee are now really hot on it.

[idgolfguy]

A couple of members who had been ex-members from a golf club I am a member of. Not the Vines.

[Johnny Canuck]

There is a lot of that going on at the moment and members are getting sick of it and complaining.
Hartfield has received a lot of complaints from members about two different issues at the moment. The latest, as members will have seen is 5 & 6 day members playing out of class. The worst part was that it was being "assisted" by someone who should have known better. The management committee are now really hot on it.

Let me guess. One is a pennant player and one is on your committee?

[TourFit]

Hopefully one day I'll afford a Drive-In, Drive-Out membership from the new house.

Rubin has perfected the Drive-In, Chip out method...



I have somehow been doing it with one finger though.

That's why your missus calls me to come over every now & then...



I have lots of chips on the kitchen bench. I even brought some barbecue shapes.

Never mind where the poker chips went...I stole the 'other' chips. THEY WERE YUMMY (And you all thought it was idg snoring, it was me midnight snacking!)



Awesome thread.

Agreed. SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE.

[Johnny Canuck]

Never mind where the poker chips went...I stole the 'other' chips. .

I was very interested when I was told that others witnessed the poker chip incident. I thought I was seeing things. It says a lot about someone's character and makes other situations look bad as well.

Things to ponder going forward.

[rubin]

I was very interested when I was told that others witnessed the poker chip incident. I thought I was seeing things. It says a lot about someone's character and makes other situations look bad as well.

Things to ponder going forward.

What is the poker chips incident? I dont remember that, all I remember is that there was none left in the box.

[Golfnut]

Firstly, I have to say thanks to simmsy for at least keeping his word to (try) get me onto Hartfield once I had my golflink number......it was actually not by my request but his invitation, which I gladly accepted. Thanks anyway mate.


So why did you join PGN? It has no value?

To who? YOU? That's not what the PGN is all about.....best you visit the PGN website and have a good read of what their about.


You can't even play Cardifield on one of their open days.

I certainly did not join the PGN with a primary motive to play private courses every week, far from it.
For me it was: an opportunity to get into competition golf on courses I'm familiar with, a way of attaining an official AGU handicap, a slightly less pressurized way of learning the finer rules of competition play and I also wanted something that was affordable and flexible. (running your own business can be as flexible time wise as it can be inflexible so being able to pick and choose which day of the week I play comp rounds is excellent imo)
Who knows, I may find that come renewal time that this system is not right for me but at the moment it is and I'm not in a position to become a full member at any private courses yet with a very young family, a business to run and also being able to outlay the yearly subs & 1 off noms is also a bit hard on the finances atm.

Any comp rounds I can somehow play on private courses will just be a bonus......I'm really happy the Vines in on the list btw.

[hocko]

So....are you in with us tomorrow morning at KB?

[adlo]

Soft.

[Golfnut]

So....are you in with us tomorrow morning at KB?

No mate, I've got a regular job I do with one of the councils on a Wednesday morning......was too hard to move it as they have a staff member meet me on the job to open up gates etc...Once this job goes fortnightly next month, I'll have every 2nd Wednesday free in the mornings.


Soft.

Which part?

[adlo]

Mate, I'm so lost, just throwing some random bait out there.

[Yossarian]

Ad this thread is easy to follow. Your attitude needs to do a langer.

[adlo]

My bad.

[Golfnut]

Ad this thread is easy to follow. Your attitude needs to do a langer.

:lol:

[MegaWatty]

Scores?

[Golfnut]

Golfnut - DNQ :(

[idgolfguy]

Firstly, I have to say thanks to simmsy for at least keeping his word to (try) get me onto Hartfield once I had my golflink number......it was actually not by my request but his invitation, which I gladly accepted. Thanks anyway mate.



To who? YOU? That's not what the PGN is all about.....best you visit the PGN website and have a good read of what their about.



I certainly did not join the PGN with a primary motive to play private courses every week, far from it.
For me it was: an opportunity to get into competition golf on courses I'm familiar with, a way of attaining an official AGU handicap, a slightly less pressurized way of learning the finer rules of competition play and I also wanted something that was affordable and flexible. (running your own business can be as flexible time wise as it can be inflexible so being able to pick and choose which day of the week I play comp rounds is excellent imo)
Who knows, I may find that come renewal time that this system is not right for me but at the moment it is and I'm not in a position to become a full member at any private courses yet with a very young family, a business to run and also being able to outlay the yearly subs & 1 off noms is also a bit hard on the finances atm.

Any comp rounds I can somehow play on private courses will just be a bonus......I'm really happy the Vines in on the list btw.
Good response!

[Nuffie]

I have been down this road b4 golfnut, you get knockbacks everywhere trying to get a game, even if you have a full eastern states membership.

But PGN at least gets you onto The Vines on a Sunday which will be good when we first move into the new place. Im hearing you about the finances, the real world has hit me fair and square in the face the last month. Have had to make some very tough and sad choices, but it's unfortunately the way it has to be.

It is part of life when you are about to go into a house. My father has never been in a position to afford a private membership and he is almost 55.

[Pieface]

Where is the new place Nuffie?

[Nuffie]

Where is the new place Nuffie?

It's in ellenbrook, part of the new lexia estate.

The roof is on, windows in and plastering nearly finished. Our building agent reckons we'll be in by late September if there are no delays due to wet weather.

Given the house is almost at lockup stage, I'd say the chances of getting in on schedule are good.

[TourFit]

It's in ellenbrook, part of the new fruity lexia estate.

Fixed.

That's where Goonie should live!

(That's what they probably drink out there too)

[Pieface]

Nice mate. Hope it all comes together well for ya :)

If it';s anything like most of the houses up that way you should have a couple of rooms where you can practice your chipping

[idgolfguy]

The Vines is closeby and practice is free unless you want to include balls.

[rubin]

The Vines is closeby and practice is free unless you want to include balls.

Im sure you'd be able to sneak out for a cheeky 4 or 5 as well Nuff.

[Johnny Canuck]

It's in ellenbrook, part of the new lexia estate.

The roof is on, windows in and plastering nearly finished. Our building agent reckons we'll be in by late September if there are no delays due to wet weather.

Given the house is almost at lockup stage,Id say the chance of getting in on schedule are good.

Once you move in, it will be known as Smurf Village. Plant some large mushrooms in the backyard.

[TourFit]

See post 239.

[Nuffie]

Nice mate. Hope it all comes together well for ya :)

If it's anything like most of the houses up that way you should have a couple of rooms where you can practice your chipping

We are deciding what we will do with the backyard at the moment.

Not sure whether to put in a garden or a small grassy area, but there will not be a lot of sun.

The option of a synthetic lawn and practice net on the side has crossed my mind, to use as a hitting area/extension of the alfresco area when we have vistors over in summer.


The Vines is closeby and practice is free unless you want to include balls.

For the chipping, my new ball dispenser (holds 22) that I won at KB will come in handy. The practice area is very good.


Fixed.

That's where Goonie should live!

(That's what they probably drink out there too)

Might end up spending some fri nights at The Vines Cafe or the Mash Brewery, nice affordable food and drink at those venues.

We had a walk through "The Brook" pub last week, very flash but not cheap. You were right about the prices there, ID.

[idgolfguy]

It's all about the cash that is available.

[Johnny Canuck]

See post 239.

Great minds Fit. I'll have to change my post.

[Nuffie]

Fixed.

(Fruity Lexia, That's what they probably drink out there too)

I'll leave that stuff to the other half. Both Rhi and her mum like those sweetish whites, moscato, lexias, etc.

I'll stick to the smooth reds and maybe a few tasty ale beers :)

That red wine that Fit took to WA champs was a ripper! Out of my price range though.

[MegaWatty]

Nuffie, is the fear of interest rate rises deep in your mind at the moment?

[Pieface]

Might end up spending some fri nights at The Vines Cafe or the Mash Brewery, nice affordable food and drink at those venues.

We had a walk through "The Brook" pub last week, very flash but not cheap. You were right about the prices there, ID.

Mash Brewery is s**t Nuff. Rubbish brews which they refuse to serve you unless you buy some of their, at best, average food.

Checked out membershiop at supagolf yet?