Hartfield Open 2010.

[Yossarian]

http://www.hartfieldgolf.com.au/upload/wysiwyg/comingEvents/Entry%20Form%20and%20Conditions%202009.pdf

Shame I can't play :cry:

[MegaWatty]

It's an open comp. You can play.

[Yossarian]

I've probably got to work anyway, is anyone having a crack?

[adlo]

I'd love to but can't. Great track!

[idgolfguy]

It's an open comp. You can play.

Yes but will they let you win anything?

[MegaWatty]

Open comps should.

Jesus. Surely you're not the third Ozgolfer?!?!?!

[TourFit]

I'd love to but can't. Great track!


:mrgreen:

Still chuckling at that...

Here's a possible solution, for course improvements and helping the members!

Woodchips, woodchips
Turn them into paper
Then all the crusty bastards
Can write some new complaints...:lol:

(only joking guys...)

[Yossarian]

Tourfit hopefully you are not the third ozgolfer if you wanted to play in this.

[Pieface]

Can we connect the third Ozgolfer to a grassy knoll? I loves me a conspiracy!

[Yossarian]

I think the masons are probably involved in this somehow.

[TourFit]

I'm NOT the third OzGolfer.

My handicap is not that inconsistent...I am not a bandit...they see MLGC on my Golflink card and offer to park my car :mrgreen:

(though I'm worried those bogans might steal it) :shock:

[simmsy]

I'm NOT the third OzGolfer.

My handicap is not that inconsistent...I am not a bandit...they see MLGC on my Golflink card and offer to park my car :mrgreen:

(though I'm worried those bogans might steal it) :shock:

we talking about K-town?

[idgolfguy]

Open comps should.

Jesus. Surely you're not the third Ozgolfer?!?!?!

I haven't played well there since early last year. So it won't be me.

Anyway, the lady at WAGC thinks I'm a member there because of how often I play there.

[Veefore]

I haven't played well there since early last year. So it won't be me.



Are you absolutely certain of that???

[idgolfguy]

Are you absolutely certain of that???

Not sure - though the Proshop seem to recognize me at times.

[Veefore]

Not sure - though the Proshop seem to recognize me at times.

They know who you are. You're Nuffie's mate. Once you are tarred with that brush you are tarred for life. :)

[TourFit]

Anyone who has ears is Nuffies' mate though Veefore...that doesn't mean the feeling is reciprocated. :roll:

[Pieface]

Anyone who has ears is Nuffies' mate though Veefore...that doesn't mean the feeling is reciprocated. :roll:


I know Nuffie comes from Sydney but I didn't realise he was old enough to have caused this!


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/Videlion/golf/Chopper.jpg

[TourFit]

Works for wives too !!

Actually, no it wouldn't !

[Veefore]

8943

[Pieface]

Is it that odd colour because his wife opened up his skull with a frying pan after he drew it Vee?

[Johnny Canuck]

id, tarred.

funny.

[idgolfguy]

Feather boa would be nice with that.

[TourFit]

id, tarred.

funny.

...and subtle.

[hocko]

I've probably got to work anyway, is anyone having a crack?

I'm having a go.
It will be in it's best condition then........i hope.

[Veefore]

It won't get any better after the open.

They are coring on the monday.

[hocko]

It won't get any better after the open.

They are coring on the monday.

I popped my head in on Tuesday and it looks to be in descent nick at the minute.
I timed my run and it took me 25 minutes to get home.
Only ten minutes longer than it takes me to get to my home club.:wink:

[Nuffie]

Probably gonna have to sit this one out.

I'll be in Kalgoorlie for work testing some big stacks!

Then come back to a course covered in sand, bugger.

Guess coring has to be done at some point.

[Veefore]

I called in at the club last night and Shane (played with us at mandurah on sunday) came through the turn. He said the greens are ridiculous. They are stupid fast but they aren't running true. They are in that state where the last 2ft or so of roll wobbles left and right and uphill or down.
A couple of other people came off the course saying that if they don't get some water on them fast they won't be alive for the open anyway.

Does anybody know why greens go like this? BD?
Is it because they aren't rolling them?

[TourFit]

Marking up around the hole...so as the putts slow, the 'damage' is causing the bouncing ??

Not really sure why they would be so fast without also being true. 'Spike' marks or wear damage is all I can think of

[simmsy]

the course is about 6 weeks overdue for serious maintenance because there is too many comps on the fixture book - they should be coring them straight after club champs/pennants - have a month off then play the other main comps.

also maybe due to the fact we've had no winter at all this year.

[Johnny Canuck]

It's weird, Fit.

They are not smooth. There are little holes and indentations all over the place. Mark your ball, replace it, and it rolls into a little hole. It's like they've been cored, but they haven't.

[Veefore]

I asked around today and most think it is just the winter grass that is causing the problem. It will be interesting to see what happens when they come back from coring and the winter grass dies off.

[Bruce Dickinson]

I asked around today and most think it is just the winter grass that is causing the problem. It will be interesting to see what happens when they come back from coring and the winter grass dies off.
It does sound like the winter grass is declining. They should come back pretty good from coring.

When we do our chemical programme to keep Poa in check you see the Poa almost start to melt out, leaving small areas where the Poa was. Over time the bent covers these deporessions.

[hocko]

It does sound like the winter grass is declining. They should come back pretty good from coring.

When we do our chemical programme to keep Poa in check you see the Poa almost start to melt out, leaving small areas where the Poa was. Over time the bent covers these deporessions.
Good answer...thanks BD.

[adlo]

Sounds like a goat track to me!

[Veefore]

Sounds like a EASY goat track to me!


Fixed for ya.

[adlo]

The way I played last week at Mandurah I think I'd be lucky to score 25 points around the wood chip filled goat track known as Hartfield.

[hocko]

Anyone playing in this want to have a practice round on Friday morning?

[Johnny Canuck]

Would love to, but back at work and not playing due to a wedding.

Greens rolled a little strange today. I hit one 5 foot putt 3 times. The first time it broke right, the second it went straight and the third was moving left when it dropped.

They are stupid hard at the moment. I was amazed when a cut PW only rolled out about 3 feet today, to a green that is below the tees.

[simmsy]

find any water?

[hocko]

Should make for some interesting golf by the sounds.
Still looking forward to th game though.

[Johnny Canuck]

No water, just a group of your wax museum mates, old man.

[simmsy]

Hope u didn't roll the buggy into them.

[Golfnut]

Not your best come back simmsy but we'll allow it.

[Johnny Canuck]

Weaker than Simmsy without Viagra.

[Veefore]

Played this morning and the Poa wasn't too bad. The ball actually rolled truly and at a good speed. Apparently it is in the afternoons when it starts to cause inconsistent roll.

Heaven help anyone who relies on a spin-and-check style short game though. The greens are really back to their 80's-90's hardness.

[hocko]

Played this morning and the Poa wasn't too bad. The ball actually rolled truly and at a good speed. Apparently it is in the afternoons when it starts to cause inconsistent roll.

Heaven help anyone who relies on a spin-and-check style short game though. The greens are really back to their 80's-90's hardness.

Like Mandurah last week V?

[Veefore]

Like Mandurah last week V?

Definitely firmer.
I think maybe a little quicker but harty's greens don't have as much slope to them so it's hard to compare.

Both JC and I managed to spin approach shots back today but only by landing them at the back of the green and using the fringe grass for traction.

[simmsy]

i thought you said it was just winter grass??

POA! i'm leaving that goat track!!!

[adlo]

Smartest thing you've said all year, OMS.

[MegaWatty]

i thought you said it was just winter grass??

POA! i'm leaving that goat track!!!

I called POA weeks ago.

[Yossarian]

Piece Of Ass?

[adlo]

Mega is more of a Coq man!

[MegaWatty]

Piece Of Ass?

Just your thing!

[Yossarian]

Hartfield is my bag baby

[MegaWatty]

Do we have a new greenskeeper?

[Veefore]

Only repeating what I was told because I don't know much about grass. But when I asked what the wintergrass actually was they said it was poa.

Apparently there is a four year plan to get rid of it (because that's what it takes?)

[Veefore]

Entries close monday.

[MegaWatty]

I've heard in drought style conditions that it may be better to just let the POA take over!

Everyone knows Pebble Beach have POA greens, right?

[Veefore]

Drought?

Did't we just have a once-in-15-years storm followed shortly after by a once-in-20-years storm? The water damage at my house only just got fixed a month ago :)

[MegaWatty]

It's certainly no Queensland!!!

[simmsy]

If it is poa vee, $5 says they won't beat it without ripping up greens.

[MegaWatty]

http://www.indmowing.com.au/poa-annua.htm

Seems POA = Winter Grass!

[Yossarian]

It probably came from my shoes.

[Veefore]

If it is poa vee, $5 says they won't beat it without ripping up greens.

I'm not taking that bet. It comes in on peoples shoes as well as other ways so they will never completely eradicate it. According to Rob (Pro) the plan is simply consistently spraying it over four years. I think that their hope is simply to reduce it enough that it doesn't become a problem at this time every year. In the mornings, after it is freshly mowed it is no problem. It doesn't affect the roll of the ball at all. But it grows a lot faster than the bent and by late afternoon it definitely seems to affect some putts.

Hopefully if it's not too much trouble BD can give us his take on it. I'm sure there are a few others who would be as interested as I am becoming.

[adlo]

Surely there are very few poa free greens in Perth these days.

I think they can be managed without it having too much of an adverse effect on the quality of the course.

However, there is one small problem. Hartfield is a goat track, so they will more than likely just let the poa take over.

[MegaWatty]

That link I posted explains a bit about spraying it and when to do it. If it's flowering, it's spreading seeds and that's bad.

[adlo]

Don't spread seeds. Spreading seeds is bad, m'kay.

[MegaWatty]

I was actually going to put that at the end myself. ;)

[Golfnut]

One years seed = 7 years weed......so good luck with it......it can be sprayed out but if the problem's bad, it may take anywhere up to 7-8 yrs to really get on top of.

Problem with it is it can seed even with very very minimal leaf length and continuous low mowing is not enough to mechanically collect all seed forming.......in other words it's a prick of a grass to have in any lawn.

[MegaWatty]

I have it in a bit of my lawn at home. I do live with goats though.

[simmsy]

so it was you that bought it into Hartfield on your shoes!

[MegaWatty]

so it was you that bought it into Hartfield on your shoes!

Or my house mates.

[SeldomEagles]

Played both days of the weekend and after the glazed concrete conditions on Thursday they had thrown a truck load of water on the before Saturday and were a lot more receptive. Today they got a drenching from the rain squalls so a reasonable week weather wise and they will be fine for the open.

[simmsy]

nothing wrong with the greens at Harty! played today for 27 putts, mid irons consistently pitching and holding within about 2mtr.

[Johnny Canuck]

what did you shoot?

[simmsy]

37pts - didn't have a great day off the tee but short game was sharp. the greens were rolling fairly slow compared to the past month and nice and receptive. 41pts won the comp.

down to 13.0

[Veefore]

Amazing what a difference water on the greens makes.
I asked at the committee meeting tonight (a real committee meeting this time ;)) why the greens had been so hard and it was simply because they hadn't been receiving much water lately. What was being put on was pretty much just rolling off the sides because of the soil compacting. With some extra watering and the rain on the weekend they have apparently softened up quite a bit. This whole situation wouldn't have happened if the greens had been cored earlier but they couldn't because of the date of the Hartfield Open.
Apparently the WAGA has given the green light for the date to possibly be moved forward next year which will allow coring earlier and reduce this problem in future.

[hocko]

Still looking to get a game on Friday....can any members help????

[simmsy]

sorry hocko, no can do mate.

[Golfnut]

Still looking to get a game on Friday....can any members help????

Your welcome to join PF & I at Araluen on Friday.

[Veefore]

Still looking to get a game on Friday....can any members help????
Sorry. I would love to help but I expect to be working late. I'll have a check around and see if any one can help.

[SeldomEagles]

nothing wrong with the greens at Harty! played today for 27 putts, mid irons consistently pitching and holding within about 2mtr.

What he said only I had 30 putts and 38 points

[simmsy]

Bandit.

[Johnny Canuck]

they were much better today with a bit of softness to them.

i also tried my tourfit wedge today. laughed out loud when my approach to the first bounced long off the back, disappeared and then re-appeared back on the green. a seriously spinny wedge. however, after one shot, my tour(iz) was shredded.

[Yossarian]

Wow.

[SeldomEagles]

Well I buggered up the concept of sandbagging..... Dropeed another shot after a 35 pointer today to be at an all time best of 20 after starting the week at 22... D'oh!!

[simmsy]

The Irish sandbagger I believe.

Well done all the same though SE

[Veefore]

Yeah, well done SE. We all have no chance anyway once that sandbagger we talked to today admitted throwing out the anchor for the weekend. :)

[SeldomEagles]

Yeah, well done SE. We all have no chance anyway once that sandbagger we talked to today admitted throwing out the anchor for the weekend. :)


:lol: nothing like a 37-38 point anchor.

[Veefore]

Some very big scores out there today. The greens were running very true but were still very hard.

Some of the best players in the state barely broke 80 (and some didn't).

I stupidly played 9 yesterday and it cost me an NCR today. :(

[MegaWatty]

Why NCR?

[Veefore]

My fu***** back AGAIN!
I tweaked it on my tee shot on the 8th. I played out 9 but after sitting down to wait before teeing off on 10 I couldn't get back up. I had the embarrassing situation of having to ask somebody to get my buggy and bag into my car so I could come home.

It's getting to the point where I am dreading playing now, wondering how far I am going to get or how much it is going to hurt afterward.

It might be time to find another interest.

[hocko]

Some very big scores out there today. The greens were running very true but were still very hard.

Some of the best players in the state barely broke 80 (and some didn't).

I stupidly played 9 yesterday and it cost me an NCR today. :(

I am not one of the best in the state but i didn't get near 80????

[MegaWatty]

How'd the course play Hocko?

[hocko]

How'd the course play Hocko?

Hard, fast and windy in the morning.....I tip my lid to you guys that play well there.

[MegaWatty]

Brutal eh?

[Veefore]

Typically of this time of year we had the roaring easterly until about 10am. Teeing off on the 1st was fun. Most people weren't getting near the fairway bunkers. I saw a lot of the better players going over the corner on 10 with the wind assist.

Thankfully we only get that in October-November each year.

Don't feel bad Hocko. That is probably the hardest that the "easy goat track" can play. Putting on those greens was excellent but chip's and pitches just weren't stopping. It made for some very long putts. Pete, who is leading the nett after 18 gave himself a putting lesson during the week after some really bad putting lately and 1 putted the first 4 greens. Then on the 5th he knocked his 30ft first putt 15ft past and made the comebacker. It was awesome to watch.

[hocko]

Typically of this time of year we had the roaring easterly until about 10am. Teeing off on the 1st was fun. Most people weren't getting near the fairway bunkers. I saw a lot of the better players going over the corner on 10 with the wind assist.

Thankfully we only get that in October-November each year.

Don't feel bad Hocko. That is probably the hardest that the "easy goat track" can play. Putting on those greens was excellent but chip's and pitches just weren't stopping. It made for some very long putts. Pete, who is leading the nett after 18 gave himself a putting lesson during the week after some really bad putting lately and 1 putted the first 4 greens. Then on the 5th he knocked his 30ft first putt 15ft past and made the comebacker. It was awesome to watch.

Good luck to you both, I three putted 7 greens today.
After listening to all the banter about WA golf course greens I have started to appreciate my home greens as I have spent some time getting to know them.
All greens seem to be different and I just can't get my head around either hitting putts harder or softer.
Maybe the JC putting lesson is in order. ;)


Brutal eh?

Yeh mate, I was thinking about contemplating thinking of not playing tomorrow, but with the weather and my playing partners, who were great, it's enough to get me back.
And the chance of maybe shooting 76 or so.

[MegaWatty]

And they have daily prizes don't they?

[hocko]

I think so?

[hocko]

I have nothing to lose tomorrow so i have just gone out to the shed and taken the plastic wrappers of the MP68's.
Gonna give them a trial and see what they feel like.

[MegaWatty]

I'm guessing butter.

[Veefore]

I think so?


Yes.

I saw you were playing with Mike D. He's a great bloke and hits a good ball. He was one of the players who really inspired me to become a better ballstriker after we played together in the Hartfield Scramble. If he could putt he would be dynamite.

[hocko]

Yes.

I saw you were playing with Mike D. He's a great bloke and hits a good ball. He was one of the players who really inspired me to become a better ballstriker after we played together in the Hartfield Scramble. If he could putt he would be dynamite.

Yep, Mike is a top fella, it just wasn't his day today.
Hit some good balls but started to pull them a little today.
I hope he found some solice out of marshalling this afternoon and seeing other very good players struggle.

[hocko]

I'm guessing butter.

I hope so Mega, and after playing with MP33's for quite a while i should think the 68's would be the same if not better.
They are not bent yet, which most of my sticks have been, so it will be interesting to see.

[Johnny Canuck]

sorry i missed this after finally getting 19 points on the front on friday. quite possibly my first time doing it in a comp there.

[Veefore]

I left early today but the weather was perfect for golf. The wind that the morning players faced yesterday was absent today.

I think that even though there was a 68 & a 70 this weekend may have been the hardest the course has ever been set up. A number of people came to tell me about overhearing visiting paxton players complaining about the course and especially the hardness of the greens.

Even some of the best Hartfield players struggled to break 90 so it must have been a nightmare for some of our visitors.

Hopefully with the bringing forward of the date next year there shouldn't be a repeat of the rock hard greens.

Unfortunately the damage might have already been done. A lot of players would have been embarrassed by their scores today and may decide not to come back again next year.

Sent from my GT-I9000

[MegaWatty]

There's no scores on the site. That's shit.

[Bruce Dickinson]

some wettasoil and water may have helped soften the greens a little bit .............

[Johnny Canuck]

the goats called. they complained the greens were too hard to graze on.

[Veefore]

Scores are there if you log in.

Ackzel Donaldson was the gross winner. When I get to my computer I'll copy across some of the scores.

Sent from my GT-I9000

[adlo]

the goats called. they complained the greens were too hard to graze on.

:lol:

[Johnny Canuck]

A 5 handicapper shot 102 today. WOW!

[MegaWatty]

A 5 handicapper shot 102 today. WOW!

Hocko?

http://www.hartfieldgolf.com.au/upload/wysiwyg/index/PRIZELIST.pdf

[Johnny Canuck]

I wasn't going to name any names.

Speaking of names, we have a member named Barry Dawson. Awesome.

[MegaWatty]

I wasn't going to name any names.

Speaking of names, we have a member named Barry Dawson. Awesome.

The Cougar!

[veeman]

It was a good day nice to see some good golfers struggle

[hocko]

A 5 handicapper shot 102 today. WOW!

The golf was bad...the company was good.
I am quite happy to stick my hand up and say i played very very ordinairy today.
The funny thing is I only hit one bad iron shot all day and managed to hit 11 greens.
Four three putts and four four putts, and my tee shot on 1 was the start of a bad day as V4 can tell you.

[Johnny Canuck]

We'll get you out for a round when the greens calm down.

11 greens and 102 is insane.

[MegaWatty]

The greens cored yet?

[Johnny Canuck]

I think there is a bit of a delay. They're waiting on the equipment used in the Chilean Mining Rescue to arrive.

[MegaWatty]

Big deep cores!

[Veefore]

And next weeks winning scores will be 45-46 points with about 40 players at 36 or better.

I don't know what it was yesterday but I was doing the starting for the Paxton players on the 1st and I reckon I saw maybe 8 hit the fairway.
In Shaun Malone's group one sliced it almost onto the 7th (Shaun), one hit a worm-burner into the grass-tree down the right and the other hooked one almost over the chipping green. I reckon I saw 4 other players completely chunk their tee shots.

While the greens were tough there was some rancid play by state-rep level players just getting to them.

The funny thing was that none of the old boys you would expect to be complaining about the greens were. When I asked their attitude was that it was the "open" and it was supposed to be tough and that it was the same for everyone.

[Johnny Canuck]

There is a fine line between tough and stupid.

The US Open seems to flirt with it every year.

[hocko]

The greens cored yet?

They started coring the tenth when we were putting out on the eighteenth, i think they managed to get 7 or 8 greens done before dark yesterday.
Our group made a comment that the bloke on the coring machine should have been a hole in front of us.....that may have given us a better chance, or at least given us an excuse for poor golf.

[SeldomEagles]

That was 2 days of hurt. Tee to 100 metres out I was OK but at some stage I had to hit the granite I mean green then the wheels, axles, diff and gearbox all fell off. Even an over night putter and grip change made little difference. Hartfield 2 Me 0.

[Veefore]

Any bets on how many letters they get?

[MegaWatty]

Any bets on how many letters they get?

Does that happen?

[Veefore]

Does that happen?

A lot!
Certain members are quite prolific writers.

[MegaWatty]

A lot!
Certain members are quite prolific writers.

Shit eh? Do they all get tabled at the match committee meetings?

[Veefore]

Shit eh? Do they all get tabled at the match committee meetings?

Not all. They go to the relevant committee (e.g. greens) but if it does involve the match committee to some extent they usually do.

Whenever they grow the rough longer we usually get a couple from the ladies who sometimes can't reach the fairway and don't have the strength to hit out of it.

I expect we will get 2 or 3 this time.

[SeldomEagles]

A lot!
Certain members are quite prolific writers.

Hand written with quill pens and ink wells no doubt

[Veefore]

butchers paper and crayons in one case.