2010 Qld Matchplay Final

[AndyP]

AndyP vs Hux

Defending Champ vs Matchplay Debutant
Handicaps: 12 (11.7) vs 20 (20.4)
Head to head: No previous matches

Path to Final
Rd 1 - AndyP d Rusty 4/3 (after 3 ties), Hux d BrisWesty 4/3
Rd 2 - AndyP d Tex 3/1, Hux d jarro 3/2
QF - AndyP d golfer69 2up, Hux d jaybam 2/1
SF - AndyP d Iain 8/7, Hux d Nudgee 5/3

AndyP (http://www.golflink.com.au/HandicapHistory.aspx?golflink_no=4011801503) last 5 comps played to: DQ (24), 8, 14, 11, 9
Hux (http://www.golflink.com.au/HandicapHistory.aspx?golflink_no=4130303267) last 5 comps played to: 21, 24, 18, 12, 26



Obsessed? I do think any realistic person would realise they had a distinct advantage playing a match on a course they know well against someone who has never played it.I am being realistic. You keep stating home course as if it's a big thing. I had one year's membership there 20 years ago so I could play social games on the cheap. The course has changed and I have played it maybe 3 times in 10 years.

You played both jarro and nudgee at their current home course, yet you are worried about Horton giving me a "distinct advantage"? It's a bit confusing.


You seem rather obsessed with not playing it at Pelican Waters though!No, the venue has nothing to do with it. As I've said before (and others agree), you don't mix Champs with matchplay. One of them has to be sacrificed.

It's also worth noting that I've played it plenty of times. Home course advantage? :roll:


I am working next weekend so can't play any time before then...sorry.I guess that means you have some weekdays off then. Which ones?

It's about time we played in the same group. I've heard that it's a fun day in your group albeit with plenty of sledging.

[jaybam]

GO Hux !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Iain]

Go AndyP at Horton Park.

[PeteyD]

Play it at HP. The champs ends up being a venue of last resort so the winner is known for the presentation.

I do not understand why you can't play it at the champs. But some people do not like to mix different games etc (Rounds at the Wynnum Cup for example).

[PeteyD]

Double post. Weirdness, bloody vikings and aliens and solar flares.

[jaybam]

double vision Peteyd???

[Ferrins]

Take your side arm Hux as you might come across a burglar, just don't shoot yourself.

[3oneday]

Golf will be the winner, and if he can't then Hux should ;)

[Daves]

Match, Match, Match, Match......:smt026:smt026

[BrisVegas]

I don't want to give hux the kiss of death. So, go AndyP!

[Courty]

Play it at HP. There's a chance the NQ final could also be played there.

[Jarro]

Who the **** cares..seriously !

^^^^ This

[sms316]

Hux must be favourite. He beat Jarro.

[Jarro]

This is true.

[AndyP]

Hux must be favourite. He beat Jarro.
He has beaten some OZgolf matchplay heavyweights, hasn't he?

[Yossarian]

Go Andy!

[Ned]

Play it at HP. There's a chance the NQ final could also be played there.


Haysey versus Solarbiartch!

[razaar]

Andy gives Craig 8 shots. If the match is played at Pelican the holes where Hux gets shots are 3, 5, 7, 9, 14, 15, 17 & 18. Hole 14 is the only par-3 in this lot, the rest are all par-4's. IMO this is as good a deal as you will get Andy, shot wise that is.

[AndyP]

So what you are saying is Hux would have a bigger advantage with shots at Horton?
Not that it matters, because it looks like you made those numbers up and I don't understand why that is as good a deal as I will get.

Hitting off the 10th tee at Pelican, holes 11, 13, 15, 17, 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 are the shot holes.
Horton would be holes 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 and 18.
As you would expect there from the standard matchplay index, there is an even spread.

[PeteyD]

Are we hitting off the 10th on Saturday?

[AndyP]

Yes.

http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/17264-2010-OZgolf-Champs-info-Pelican-Waters-Oct-9-10

[razaar]

So what you are saying is Hux would have a bigger advantage with shots at Horton?
Not that it matters, because it looks like you made those numbers up and I don't understand why that is as good a deal as I will get.

Hitting off the 10th tee at Pelican, holes 11, 13, 15, 17, 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 are the shot holes.
Horton would be holes 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 and 18.
As you would expect there from the standard matchplay index, there is an even spread.

The advantage to you is in having only one of the 8 holes being a par-3. I can't comment about HP because I have never seen it. Pelican has only the one index - the SS and Matchplay are the same. SMS will be able to provide the Matchplay index for HP.

[AndyP]

The advantage to you is in having only one of the 8 holes being a par-3.How is that an advantage?


I can't comment about HP because I have never seen it. The matchplay index should be the same at every course. Don't you play lots of pennants?


Pelican has only the one index - the SS and Matchplay are the same.The Pelican card in front of me doesn't agree with you.


SMS will be able to provide the Matchplay index for HP.As above, it's the same. A scorecard verifies that too.

[razaar]

That's interesting, we have differing score cards for Pelican. Perhaps mine is outdated.

Golf Clubs can establish their own Matchplay Index, if they so choose. As far as I am aware, there is no requirement to even have a Matchplay Index.

The pennant competitions I play in are "off the stick". I wouldn't be interested if handicaps were involved.

Having a shot on a par-3 is a huge advantage because there is more chance of the higher handicapper parring the hole than there is of the lower handicapper scoring a birdie.

[markTHEblake]

I'd give AP an advantage at Horton Park, it suits his style of play, short and consistent, rather than wild and unpredictable.;)


But some people do not like to mix different games etc (Rounds at the Wynnum Cup for example).

It's also against the rules. Playing matchplay under stroke play also conditions people to not play matchplay strategies. The Final deserves to be played as matchplay should be played.

[Hux]

AndyP vs Hux

I am being realistic. You keep stating home course as if it's a big thing. I had one year's membership there 20 years ago so I could play social games on the cheap. The course has changed and I have played it maybe 3 times in 10 years.

I don't see it as unreasonable to say no to not playing on a course you were a member on vs one I have never played. I guess I could have SMS as my caddy (ROFLMAO)/adviser so I could have advice on the route and line of play :-)


[SIZE=3][U][B]You played both jarro and nudgee at their current home course, yet you are worried about Horton giving me a "distinct advantage"? It's a bit confusing.

Yes cause I have played Nudgee north & south quite a few times and it makes it easy to get the game done.


[SIZE=3][U][B] No, the venue has nothing to do with it. As I've said before (and others agree), you don't mix Champs with matchplay. One of them has to be sacrificed.

As a debutant in the MP my understanding was it had to be played in the weekend of the champs and the MP final was played on the Saturday before. If this isn't the case - I am happy to play it after the champs if we can't arrange it before.


[SIZE=3][U][B] It's also worth noting that I've played it plenty of times. Home course advantage? :roll:

You being silly? I've played it 3 or 4 times before so I know at least the general layout and what holes are what.


[SIZE=3][U][B] I guess that means you have some weekdays off then. Which ones?

Yes I had them off this week. Take them off anywhere in the block roster period. Could play next Sunday but not early as I will finish late.


[SIZE=3][U][B] It's about time we played in the same group. I've heard that it's a fun day in your group albeit with plenty of sledging.

Well since its a game not played for sheep stations the aim is to have fun. Nothing funnier than sledging someone who is a distinctly better player - even better if someone is new in the group and hasn't seen a 20+ marker sledge a low singles marker.

In reality this may be MP but since the aim of golf is to get the ball in the hole in as few a strokes as possible regardless of whether it is stroke, stab or MP I am confused why it makes it harder to play MP at PW? MP seems to be about keeping the ball in play and not loosing it if you lose a hole...pretty much like getting over it when you wipe a hole in stab?

But the Ozgolf games are actually the first match play games I have played in my life so what woudl I know!

[jaybam]

I have an idea. If we could organize a big screen in the function room onthe Saturday night I will bring the ps3 up and you guys could go head to head on tiger woods 2011. That way we all get to watch and sledge from the sidelines????

[jaybam]

Oh and hux a 20+ marker my ass. You suck.

[AndyP]

I don't see it as unreasonable to say no to not playing on a course you were a member on vs one I have never played. I guess I could have SMS as my caddy (ROFLMAO)/adviser so I could have advice on the route and line of play :-)The real issue is that you haven't played it before and I have, not my previous membership. If it was at Headland GC (assuming you haven't played it before), would your reaction be any different?
You can have Blakey and SMS as caddies if you really want. Blakey probably knows the slopes on all of the greens.

As a debutant in the MP my understanding was it had to be played in the weekend of the champs and the MP final was played on the Saturday before. If this isn't the case - I am happy to play it after the champs if we can't arrange it before.[/quote]It is meant to be played by the Champs weekend. It was played at the Champs previously because it was convenient for the two opponents previously, as they didn't play together beforehand or on the Friday.


You being silly? I've played it 3 or 4 times before so I know at least the general layout and what holes are what.I was being a little silly. I was just making the point that my membership at HP isn't the issue, just that I've played it more than you, the same as Pelican. The problem is that the count is Lots to Zero in my favour, not 10 or so to 4 like Pelican. I can understand you not wanting to play at a course you haven't seen before, but I disagreed with using the membership as the reason.


Yes I had them off this week. Take them off anywhere in the block roster period. Could play next Sunday but not early as I will finish late.I don't have any locked in plans next Sunday, or the Wednesday/Thursday following.


In reality this may be MP but since the aim of golf is to get the ball in the hole in as few a strokes as possible regardless of whether it is stroke, stab or MP I am confused why it makes it harder to play MP at PW? Stroke and Stab are about getting it in the hole in the least amount of strokes. Matchplay is about getting it in the hole in less strokes than your opponent. There are several scenarios where you would play differently based on whether it was a stroke/stab or matchplay situation.

Here's one example:
You have a tricky downhill putt, but your opponent has chopped it up on the hole, so you can still win the hole by three putting. However, you need a one putt to avoid wiping the hole in stableford. How do you play this one?

[Ferrins]

You have a tricky downhill putt, but your opponent has chopped it up on the hole, so you can still win the hole by three putting. However, you need a one putt to avoid wiping the hole in stableford. How do you play this one?

Surely they would concede the hole in that scenario, before that putt is hit.

[Ferrins]

Play Carbrook this Wednesday

[Hux]

Oh and hux a 20+ marker my ass. You suck.

I certainly did yesterday. Hit 10/14 fairways, 2 par 3's to within 2 metres, the other 2 just off with no issues for approach. Putted well....some spastic had a snake in my hand not a wedge. After 3 weeks of Brisbane bunkers where when they are wet they are hard I was FAARKKED by Bribies soft heavy wet sand. Plus couldn't hit an approach shot. Big change from a week ago - but hey that is golf.

25/09/10Bribie Island GC (Stableford) (http://www.golflink.com.au/matessubscribe.aspx?frm=HandicapHistory)72 71 97 31 20 26 20.4. If I had played any worse I would have gone out to 21 again :-(

I dead set feel like leaving Bribie sometimes - that course and I have a love hate relationship.

[AndyP]

Yeah Ferrins, I overthought it, by adding the stableford stuff, but there are definitely situations where you err on the side of caution for a two putt, rather than being aggressive for a one putt.

[Hux]

Play Carbrook this Wednesday

working

[markTHEblake]

Hux, I can guarantee Andyp doesnt know the course, since he was a member the course has been rebuilt. Some hole routings are the same but the greens and fairways are completely different now.

[nudgee]

FFS, choice of venue should be acceptable by both parties! If hux is not happy with HP and Andyp is not happy with PW then do the final after ozgolf champs - deadlines have been extended before :roll:

[Jarro]

I agree with the spaniard, let the two combatants sort it out.

[sms316]

I guess I could have SMS as my caddy (ROFLMAO)/adviser so I could have advice on the route and line of play :-)

I have form with putting AP off in matchplay.

:lol:

[AndyP]

I don't have any locked in plans next Sunday, or the Wednesday/Thursday following.Is the Sunday afternoon a chance, Hux?


I have form with putting AP off in matchplay.

:lol:It turned one match into four. ;)

[Hux]

Is the Sunday afternoon a chance, Hux?

It turned one match into four. ;)


Sunday afternoon was a chance right up to starting work this morning.

I have to go to work at 2pm for 2 or 3 hours. Hmmm if I rush home I will catch most of the RL GF....

[AndyP]

So I assume there are no dates left before Champs weekend then?

[Hux]

So I assume there are no dates left before Champs weekend then?

Sunday morning...maybe the Nudgee mafia could host?

[AndyP]

Oh, I thought Sunday morning was out in addition to the afternoon.

Yeah, I guess Nudgee or Pacific are the only real options for a Sunday morning, and Nudgee would be the easiest to get on. Do you want to start a thread?

[Hux]

Sunday morning is okay just not early...as in 6.30 or the like.

Anywhere from @ 7.30 onwards would at least allow me a few hour sleep :-)

[AndyP]

I'll let you book as I don't have time restrictions on Sunday, except loss of brownie points. ;)

[Ned]

I'll let you book as I don't have time restrictions on Sunday, except loss of brownie points. ;)

And remember to book him under his WP GL number, not the mega one!

[AndyP]

Why would he have my mega membership golflink number?

[AndyP]

http://www.ozgolf.net/showthread.php/20682-MP-Final.-AndyP-V-Hux-Nudgee-Sunday-3-October

I should have known that it would be Nudgee South. That is amusing in an ironic sort of way.

[solarman]

Should this thread be called the Qld Matchplay Final.
Maybe SEQ Matchplay Final would be better.
Otherwise we will dis the lot of you and become our own state as well. After all we give you food, milk, coal, great sportsman...the list goes on.

[AndyP]

We were here first. Now bugger off.

[razaar]

add dengue fever to your list ,solarman....

[PeteyD]

should that not read AND solarman?

[nudgee]

should we merge this thread with the 1st tee one???

where do I place my sledging and my support??????????

[AndyP]

No, this is the match thread. This is for the sledging/support.

The other is just for the organisation of a normal OZgolf game.

[solarman]

Start the thread with HOMO SEQ Matchplay Final (oh hang on Hux isn't a homo). Who does that leave oh gaylord of the jungle.

[AndyP]

Am I meant to be insulted because I've been called gay? Homophobe!

[solarman]

Am I meant to be insulted because I've been called gay? Homophobe!

And proud of it !! Not that there's anything wrong with that !! :lol::lol:

[Hux]

Should this thread be called the Qld Matchplay Final.
Maybe SEQ Matchplay Final would be better.
Otherwise we will dis the lot of you and become our own state as well. After all we give you food, milk, coal, great sportsman...the list goes on.

And we give you electricity - now get in your box before we turn the switch off :-)

SEQ is QLD - the rest of you lot are just heathens in the bush working for Anna and the future of the glorious 3rd Wrecked the empire that will last 1 election :-)

[AndyP]

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT! Woooohooooo! Back to back! Yeah!

I can't believe how well I had to play to beat Hux. And, of course, it went down the 18th as a live match.

[Hux]

And you did play well.

I will let you do the full round up. I posted my view of the last 2 holes and some thoughts on how well you were hitting off the tee and putting....how many putts did you have without the shocker on the 6th?

[AndyP]

It's good to see that you have reflected on your round and conceded that you didn't play that bad and scored well.

To beat you, I shot even par and had 15 putts for the last 11 holes, so you had to have been doing alright.

I'll do the full roundup after having some family time this arvo.

Thanks for the match. It was a great one.

[Hux]

Hey not trying to take anything away from you - I am just annoyed with myself for how I was hitting the ball. As I said you played extremely well for the last nine - you got up and down from most places and didn't let it go.

I think I scored relatively well all things considered but feel I hit the ball fairly poorly generally - you'd have to concede that shanking a pw off the tee is a reasonably indicator of that :- )
I was only just keeping in touch by squaring things back on the holes where I had a shot - though sometimes it was by more ass than class though - eg the 16th :-)

All up I am pretty amazed I got through to the final. This Ozgolf series is the first time I have ever played match play and it was a ton of fun - I'll certainly be signing up for next year.

[Courty]

Congrats AndyP.

[Daves]

Congratulations Andy, your form has been very good. Commiserations Hux, congratulations on making the final on your first attempt.

[haysey]

Way to go AndyP. Bad luck Hux

[Eag's]

Well done AP, bad luck Hux.

[markTHEblake]

Congratulations AP. Like Collingwood this year you had the goal of a championship, and you single mindedly focussed, plotted, planned, actioned and got the result. Hux might have had the real talent but your determination and precision had the edge over the emotional favourite.

Sounded like the 17th was just like the Heath Shaw smother, broke his heart.

Looking forward to the the Andy3P(eat)

[Ferrins]

Like shooting fish in a barrel

[AndyP]

Thanks peeps.

Blakey, you're spot on there. With the lack of a standard membership, this is a club matchplay championship for me and after scraping through the first round, I did everything I could to win it.

[gazgolf1]

I did everything I could to win it.

While guarding against skin cancer. ;)

[AndyP]

I've been fooled by the trap of not applying in overcast conditions all too often and I was mitigating the risk of having sunscreen slippery hands during the match by having to apply it later on. That's how prepared I am.

[Iain]

So that's what the P in AndyP stands for?

[gazgolf1]

So that's what the P in AndyP stands for?

P for PREPARATION !!!

[Daves]

P for PREPARATION H !!!

Fixed it for you!;)

[PeteyD]

HAha !! Nicely done AP.

[AndyP]

Here's a wrap-up of the round, from my point of view. It's a lot of words, but it was a close tussle, and I didn't want to leave much out, so scan it, skim it, absorb it, whatever.

1 - 124m par 3 - I'm just off the green, Hux is just on. Neither of us get our next shot close enough or make the next putt. Bogeys for a half. All square.

2 - 331m par 4 - shot hole 1/8 - Both of us pull our drives left. I'm regretting not getting the range balls I planned to, to get rid of these "warmup" shots. I run through the back of the green, Hux finds the greenside bunker. Although I chip nicely and get up and down, it's not enough to match Hux's sand shot to a couple of feet. Pars. Hux 1up.

3 - 150m par 3 - Hux doesn't get up and down from 30m short, but I get up and down from the edge of the green. All square.

4 - 356m par 4 - shot hole 2/8 - Once again, Hux is 30m or so short, and I'm just off the edge of the green. Hux goes too far past the hole, and I leave myself a few feet. Hux drains a great putt down the hill for his par to win the hole. Hux 1up.
What I do doesn't matter, and I putt accordingly

5 - 352m par 4 - Greenside bunkers for both of us. I get it in the hole for 5, while Hux leaves his longish putt well short (not for the first or last time), and I win the hole. All square.

6 - 511m par 5 - shot hole 3/8 - Not a great hole from memory, but I missed the green from just over 100m by way too much finding the bunker. Hux's uninspirational 6 was enough to win the hole. Hux 1up.
I three putted from within a few metres after the hole was dead, as the care factor dropped and I was still fuming at missing an opportunity to at least square the hole by hitting the green

7 - 170m par 3 - Hux misses left, I dropkick it about 100m. My too-short-pitch, too-long-fringe-putt, great putt beats Hux's too-long-chip, too-short-putt, putt, putt, or something like that. Regardless it was a get out of jail card for me. All square.
At this point, I remind Hux of our agreement to have a quality match.

[I]That's seven consecutive result holes. Have you noticed the pattern? Shot holes, Hux; Non-shot holes, Me. I think I sent a text to Iain at this point to say that it was all square via some average golf.

8 - 472m par 5 - shot hole 4/8 - We did nothing special to get to the green, but Hux was at the front for 3 (in 3 putt territory ;) ) and I was within 5m. Hux leaves himself a tester, while I get my bird, but Hux knocks it in to halve the hole. All square.

9 - 341m par 4 - A bad hole for Hux, with a skied drive, shank into the trees, brilliant approach on to the green, then 3-putt. My regulation par wins the hole and I have the lead for the first time. AndyP 1up.

10 - 376m par 4 - shot hole 5/8 - I find trees left and I'm lucky not to damage my hybrid more on my second shot. (Note: Practice swings are nothing like the end shot swing when a tree may affect your follow through) I give myself a par putt, but Hux gets a par to make my putt dead. All square.

I can't remember how Hux got his par, but I'm sure it was a good up and down or something and it was probably at this time that I started my ongoing comment to nudgee about "****ing 20-cappers" and their erratic play and general arsiness.

11 - 315m par 4 - A regulation par, although I lagged the birdie putt, is enough for my win as Hux goes left, then long. AndyP 1up.

12 - 390m par 4 - shot hole 6/8 - Long and into the wind this was always going to be tough for me. I just miss my crucial par putt and we both get bogeys for Hux's win. All square.

13 - 354m par 4 - Another skied drive for Hux, but he gets himself to within chipping distance of the green, while I get there in regulation. A flubbed chip doesn't help Hux's cause, but I make the birdie anyway. AndyP 1up.

I begin a chant of "Tie, tie, tie, tie."

14 - 343m par 4 - shot hole 7/8 - I make the hole long for myself, but Hux gets away a good tee shot. I hit a tree right but land safe, Hux pulls his approach short and left. I avoided taking on the bunker, but I'm happy with my pitch which gives me a good chance for par. Hux hits a great chip to tap-in distance and makes his par. All square.
I made my par too. ****ing 20 cappers

15 - 311m par 4 - Both of us are within 100m for our approaches. Hux goes left again, and I absolutely flush my wedge, which was the wrong shot as it bounces past the pin and just off the back leaving a tricky chip. Hux flubs his next chip and the next is nothing special. I hit my best chip of the day (considering the pressure) to within a couple of metres and make the putt for par. AndyP 1up.

16 - 125m par 3 - shot hole 8/8 - My confidence is high and I hit mine straight at the hole, and it bounces on the green more than I'd like and ends up well behind the hole. Hux pulls out a shank into the trees. Pressure? Of course, he then puts his recovery shot within a few feet of the hole. My putt down the hill tracks perfectly, but deviates in the opposite direction to the rest of the break just before it gets to the hole before. Pars each, and Hux's win. All square.

I can't believe it is all square. I'm hitting it well, I feel like I'm dictating the game, yet a mistake from hereon could cost me the match. ****ing 20 cappers.

17 - 491m par 5 - Hux splashes his drive down the middle of a saturated fairway, but I find dry ground slightly to the right which keeps it going right. Hux then takes on the water clearance and makes it leaving himself 100m out. Despite being behind on the hole, I don't even consider taking on the hazard and layup a little shorter than I'd like, leaving myself a hybrid in. An okay shot but a little left leaves me in the left trap pin high. Hux pulls his approach into the same trap. Hux's sand shot goes off the other side of the green; I continue my good run by splashing it to within a metre and making the putt for the win. AndyP 1up.

Hux needs to square the last to tie the match.

18 - 140m par 3 water carry - I aim for the centre of the green and run a few feet off the back of the green above the hole. Hux tugs his left a bit but gets a little kick right and ends up just off the back also, but a little closer to the hole.
My putt through a few feet of fringe grass gets pulled up more than I expect and I leave myself a testing downhill putt of a couple of metres.
Hux makes a good go at his birdie (and hole win) putt but it goes past and leaves him a few feet back. Assuming that Hux is going to get his in, there is a lot of pressure for me to sink my putt to avoid yet another tie. Fortunately I manage another one putt, sink the putt for the match win (and the hole win in the end).

F9 - H A H A H A - A
B9 H A H A H A H A A
AndyP 2up.

Lead chart
________x_x_x_x_x2 AndyP
x_x_x_xx_x_x_x_x__ All square
_x_x_x____________ Hux

I was very happy to come through that with a win, and I think all of my previous ties and tight matches helped me in this close game. Unlike some of those other matches, where my shots under pressure were questionable, today I made the right decisions under pressure, backed myself and executed very well.

I'm absolutely wrapped to have defended my title and didn't think it would be possible in handicap matchplay. It has been frustrating and stressful at times, but I have very much enjoyed the whole experience over the last two years. Thank you to all of my opponents, including Hux for his great efforts to get to the final and sending the final to the last hole.

[timah!]

Congratulations Andy.

I look forward to being able to play this next year!

[Choppa]

How on earth do you remember your entire game and Hux's?

[AndyP]

I write down both scores, and have my own stats, and try to piece it together from there. I was a little unsure on a couple of bits of Hux's game as I couldn't remember one hole from another. I've only played Nudgee South a few times.

[Eag's]

I am with you Chopps, I have enough trouble remembering the last 9 holes I played.

[Dcanto]

Congratulations Andy, commiserations Hux.

[Choppa]

I guess now that you are unemployed, you don't have a lot on your mind so you can remember this stuff easier ;)

[Yossarian]

I can remember almost every shot I played today. Except for the four putt.