Courty's ****ed-up swing. Help needed!

[Courty]

Calling Virge/ Razaar: my swing has well & truly self-destructed. I'm really struggling to make even half-decent contact and am at a loss to figure it out. I can't provide video for at least a week but I can describe what is/ isn't happening.

• at address I feel as though my top half is closed, which no doubt has some flow-on effects as below.
• takeaway feels ok to me, but on reflection it's probably inside the line (see above).
• the boys tell me I get quite flat, particularly when I hit the bad ones.
• coming into impact, my left hand is involuntarily tightening which makes release very difficult. My left elbow feels as though it locks in also preventing release.
• I'm hitting most shots fat, the bad ones up to 4-5 inches behind the ball (coincidentally the bad ones also feel as though I'm coming in very steep).
• my divots show a massive out-to-in strike of probably 15 degrees or more (no matter how hard I try, I can't seem to get at it from inside the line).
• the face is often open at impact, as evidenced by the high & right ball flight that I mostly get.
• I feel as though the line of my hips & shoulders is pointing to the sky at and through impact, and I also feel as though I've got some swaying/ sliding going on.
• unsurprisingly, I've lost a ton of distance. I hit one today where I thought I'd actually struck it well. I was 160m from the centre of the green (usually a 6 iron). Because I've been struggling, I tried to make a smooth swing with a 5 iron. I thought I'd flushed it but it still dropped just short of the green.
• no doubt due to all the rubbish before impact, I'm obviously unable to complete my turn properly.

That's all for now, if I think of any more I'll add them later.

[3oneday]

Fore left.



I have nothing further to add.

[markTHEblake]

I reckon I can see the problem straight away. - you are thinking too much!

[Daves]

Fore left.



I have nothing further to add.

What?, no buy a new driver??:lol:

[sms316]

I reckon I can see the problem straight away. - you are thinking too much!

No wonder he takes so long to hit it.

[Ferrins]

Time for some game improvement irons

[virge666]

Need Vid mate - the feel vs real makes this a bit of an issue.

[Ned]

Time for some game improvement irons

Courty is in luck, Solarman has a set he could try!!!

http://img.timeinc.net/golf/i/equipment/2010/03/Adams-Idea-a7-Irons_600.jpg

[mike]

Courty, your swing is good but it's also unconventional. If you've never had a lesson I suspect he'll want to change multiple parts of your swing. That's tough to work through, unless you're willing to put in plenty of hours at the range.

Buy some Callaway shovels instead.

Cheers

The Guru

[Courty]

Fore left.

I have nothing further to add.


I reckon I can see the problem straight away. - you are thinking too much!


No wonder he takes so long to hit it.


Time for some game improvement irons


Courty is in luck, Solarman has a set he could try!!!

Wankers! :p



Courty, your swing is good but it's also unconventional. If you've never had a lesson I suspect he'll want to change multiple parts of your swing. That's tough to work through, unless you're willing to put in plenty of hours at the range.

Unconventional: yes. Good: sometimes.
I've talked with Haysey & Tomson about my recent form and they reckon the only thing they can spot is that I sometimes get a bit too flat. Other than that they haven't spotted any obvious flaws (as opposed to my swing when it's working well). That keeps me hoping that there's one fundamental move that I'm getting wrong, and hopefully Virge/ Razaar/ my teaching pro can help find it.


Need Vid mate - the feel vs real makes this a bit of an issue.

I thought you were gonna say that. :neutral:

[3oneday]

What?, no buy a new driver??:lol:

No need, he bought my 32's ;)

[Jarro]

Have a break for a while Courty.

You might just forget your bad habits

[adlo]

Problem seems to be in between the ears!

[LarryLong]

Be the ball.

[adlo]

and the club. And the number. Be the number.

[Yossarian]

Don't know if this will help but I find that when I am getting a bad result but feel my swing is still the same it is

A) alingnment.
B) Mental. And by this my biggest problem is, I think, is I start to quit on the swing really badly. So maybe just really relax not worry about what the swing is doing and just hit some balls. Or just some 1/4 shots to start feeling some awesome compression again. that always makes me feel happy.

[Dcanto]

What did JD used to tell you - just imagine the ball is someone you really hate and attack.

[Courty]

Don't know if this will help but I find that when I am getting a bad result but feel my swing is still the same it is

A) alingnment.
B) Mental. And by this my biggest problem is, I think, is I start to quit on the swing really badly. So maybe just really relax not worry about what the swing is doing and just hit some balls. Or just some 1/4 shots to start feeling some awesome compression again. that always makes me feel happy.

Thanks, Yoss. It's taken 15 posts to get something constructive. :roll:

[Courty]

What did JD used to tell you - just imagine the ball is someone you really hate and attack.

Yeah, true. Now I just gotta pick someone... so many options! ;)

[haysey]

*This is just an observation and may not be the cause, or even part of the problem*

La Count when he's swinging it well gets into this position at the top
7590

Lately when it turns to shite that left arm is quite often 6-10 inches below where it is in the photo.

[markTHEblake]

Wankers!

Hey, i was being seriously helpful!

I mean given the detailed analysis you have posted, that suggests to me you are over analysing, thinking too much about your technique and probably trying to do more than one thing when you are actually hitting the ball.

Try the count 1 - 2 - 3 method while you are playing. (Inner Game of Golf -Galwey)
Count 1 and start of swing
Count 2 at top of swing
Count 3 at impact.

You do that and you wont be able to think of anything else and your swing will 'free up'

[haysey]

Courty, want me to get the video camera out of the bedroom and tape your swing.


I can make time this week if you want?

[3oneday]

Buy a new driver

[Eag's]

Step 1 - Don't listen to advice from people on here (no offence Virge)
Step 2 - Go and see a Pro.
Step 3 - If step 2 does not help, have a break for awhile.

[haysey]

Take up lawn bowls...

[mike]

Thanks, Yoss. It's taken 15 posts to get something constructive. :roll:Oi. My post was constructive. Well, most of it.

[markTHEblake]

Courty, want me to get the video camera out of the bedroom and tape your swing.

How do you know he keeps it there?

[sms316]

*This is just an observation and may not be the cause, or even part of the problem*

La Count when he's swinging it well gets into this position at the top
7590

Lately when it turns to shite that left arm is quite often 6-10 inches below where it is in the photo.
I'm no swing expert but from this pic I can see how much you cup your left wrist. When you do this you are relying on timing to get into the correct position at impact. The back of your hand should run in line with the back of your arm (a straight line along all) at the top of your swing.

You can still **** up from there but it is a lot more repetitive.

Enjoy!

[LarryLong]

OK, my attempt at being constructive. I'll start by saying that I'm a clueless hacker and others can help you more, but I'm also somebody who once had a decent swing and now has quite a bit of over-the-toppishness creeping in and I also struggled to hit a ball in the middle last time I played. Here's what I'm putting it down to - maybe some of these might apply.

1. I have spent heaps of time lately practicing my short game with an open stance. I think this has caused my takeaway to go waaaaaay inside when I square back up on the stance, which ends up laid too far back at the top, which I think I compensate for by going OTT on the way back.
2. I'm getting old and stiff and I'm not rotating stuff the way I used to. Are you perhaps getting old by chance?
3. I have a very fast swing and because of point 2, I'm probably not able to get right back and right through in the time I used to be able to. The fix for me is probably going to be slowing down the backswing. OK, I only made that suggestion because I knew it would get a laugh. :)
4. Because of the whole laid off thing, everything just feels wrong. As soon as I feel like my left arm is going 'across my chest' instead of straight back, I know there's going to be trouble. I'm going to concentrate on not doing that. From what Hayesy is saying, that could be the root of all evil for you too.

I'm not really good with swing mechanics and pinpointing what my body is doing, but I kinda know when it's wrong at the top and around impact and usually I can get a good result if I fix those. I would follow Blakey's advice and don't over-think it.

Oh, and don't get a lesson. Lessons are for wimps. :)

[haysey]

How do you know he keeps it there?


Cause my video camera is set up outside his bedroom window of course....

[razaar]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)

[Ferrins]

Yeah I played with you Ray when I was off 6 and haven't looked back. "You're swing is sh*t" was so encouraging.

[haysey]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)



Yeah Courty. What Ray said....Oh wait, GGF!




:wink:

[Courty]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)

Thanks Ray. I guess it'll just be me & Solarman from now on. :p

[haysey]

Thanks Ray. I guess it'll just be me & Solarman from now on. :p



Pffft. Betcha I can beat you to C grade.

[Ned]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)

Well thats great news, because that rules him out of playing with all of the NQ crew except Chopper.....................wait a minute, that wont happen either................Chopper cant even turn up with a note from his mum.:razz:

Does Val have a handicap ?:smt039 (A low one)


:wink:

[razaar]

Courty

Did you see Bubba Watson's drive on 18 in regular play - 390+ yds (aided by a bounce off the cross path.:shock: I have never given his swing much attention before (being a lefty). What stands out to me is his arm speed on the forward swing matches his arm speed on the backswing which is leisurely. Ernie Els has the same sort of tempo but smoother. There is a lesson in that for those with even paced swings. :)

[solarman]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)

Looks like Haysey and I are not allowed to play with you now.....only A graders allowed.

[Jono]

Get a new training aid.

[oncewasagolfer]

My advice Courty is to play with low handicap players and flick those who are obviously exposing you to bad swing habits. Play with choppers and you are in danger of becoming one.;)

I think that is quite true. I started playing in a group with hackers on a regular basis 18 months ago and have gone from 10 to 17. Of course part of that could be attributed to me playing bad but it doesn't help your game.

[IanO]

Dumb question here .. if everyone is supposed to only play with better golfers than themselves and better golfers are supposed to stop playing with higher handicap golfers (coz it stuffs up their game) do we all start just playing in one's? or only with people on the same handicap?

[solarman]

Dumb question here .. if everyone is supposed to only play with better golfers than themselves and better golfers are supposed to stop playing with higher handicap golfers (coz it stuffs up their game) do we all start just playing in one's? or only with people on the same handicap?

Hear, hear. Have to have a beer with you.
Sounds like you may like to have a round every now and then with us lowly ranked C Graders who may end up stuffing your game. Good on ya.

[sms316]

I've played a few games lately on a regular basis with certain OzGolfers. They are obviously to blame for me playing like shit.

[markTHEblake]

My scores have improved heaps since i started playing with my regular group comprising two C graders and another two off more than 30. Not too mention i usually take money off them.

[mike]

Courty, start playing left handed.

[dhills2]

Wait til I get up to Cairns next month... I'll f#%& up all your handicaps :smt098

[Dcanto]

Wait til I get up to Cairns next month... I'll f#%& up all your handicaps :smt098

Go your hardest! You can't mess with my handicap any worse than I already do. :razz:

[dhills2]

Unless you're off 36 I have something to work toward ;)

[Dcanto]

Unless you're off 36 I have something to work toward ;)

Touche' :lol:

[Courty]

Wait til I get up to Cairns next month... I'll f#%& up all your handicaps :smt098

Hopefully I'll be well into B Grade by then. 8)

[Sydney Hacker]

My scores have improved heaps since i started playing with my regular group comprising two C graders and another two off more than 30. Not too mention i usually take money off them.

Can't they count ?

[Jarro]

Can't they count ?

They're obviously deaf :roll:

[markTHEblake]

Can't they count ?
and probably very trusting as well.


They're obviously deaf :roll:

yeah but they can read.

[mike]

Courty, aren't you over reacting a bit here? It's only a month ago when you had consecutive scores of 81, 79, 79, 81 and 78.
Patience, lad.

[Courty]

Courty, aren't you over reacting a bit here? It's only a month ago when you had consecutive scores of 81, 79, 79, 81 and 78.
Patience, lad.

That's exactly the point. How can I go from being so consistent to all of a sudden having no clue when even standing near a golf ball?

[Ned]

Have you got the shanks ? (Serious question)

[Courty]

No (not yet :roll:).

[Ned]

Well be thankful.

Shanks cost me 8 shots at the Club Champs.

[henno]

Well be thankful.

Shanks cost me 8 shots at the Club Champs.

Pfft.... When you can do that in nine holes, call me. ;-)

[Courty]

Well be thankful.

Shanks cost me 8 shots at the Club Champs.

I almost wish it was the shanks. At least then I would have a clue what's going wrong and what to do about it.

[Ned]

I have the shanks, will do all the things Ive been told by the two Golf Pros's who I have had lessons off and without warning or anything............socket rocket.

Yet other times I think that I should have definitely shot one right yet the &^%^&*( goes straight!

[markTHEblake]

Well be thankful.

Shanks cost me 8 shots at the Club Champs.

dont worry, you would have made those up somewhere else if you didnt.

[razaar]

I have the shanks, will do all the things Ive been told by the two Golf Pros's who I have had lessons off and without warning or anything............socket rocket.

Yet other times I think that I should have definitely shot one right yet the &^%^&*( goes straight!

Hahahaha, that's the feeling of hitting from inside to straight down the line with a natural release.

[haysey]

Didn't look to bad today. Apart from the last ya big choker:roll:

[Courty]

It was certainly an improvement, but still needs some work.

[sms316]

Didn't look to bad today. Apart from the last ya big choker:roll:

What was different?

[haysey]

What was different?


He choked when the pressure was on?



No, not really. I'd say a little quicker back swing, a little quicker in the transition and very, very flat swing plane. (Simply guessing. Heaven knows I've got enough problems)

[Courty]

Starting to show some signs of improvement (I outdrove Tomson the other day 8)). That is all for now.

[Ned]

Starting to show some signs of improvement (I outdrove Tomson the other day 8)). That is all for now.

Practice putting green doesnt count!

[3oneday]

Starting to show some signs of improvement (I outdrove Tomson the other day 8)). That is all for now.
that only proves you can shank better than tom.

[Courty]

I finally gave in and had my first lesson in 20 years today. It's not as bad as I was afraid it might be. Luke was excellent... didn't want to rebuild my swing from scratch. With a bit of video time and some drills to get the feel of what I should be doing, I showed massive improvement by the end of the lesson. It'll just take some time (and practice) to groove the changes.

[kingslayer33]

Glad to hear your world cup winnings are being spent wisely - who needs another driver? Oops should I have written that here?

[IanO]

Yep lessons (and a new driver) are the way to go

[Ned]

Yep lessons (and another new driver) are the way to go

Yep you would be right I reckon!

[IanO]

My mistake NK .. you are correct :mrgreen:

[Courty]

I won't categorically rule out buying some new stuff. 8)

[Ned]

I won't categorically deny already buying some new stuff. 8)

Good for you Count!:wink:

[Ned]

Well seeing as seeing the swing doctor has worked for Courty, I'm booked in for a tune up as well![-o<

[mike]

Well seeing as seeing the swing doctor has worked for Courty, I'm booked in for a tune up as well![-o<Who with? Courty's surgeon or the local bloke?

[3oneday]

What irons did you have the lesson with ?

[Courty]

What irons did you have the lesson with ?

My Titleist ZBs. Still waiting for the Silverback to reshaft the Mizzies. :roll:

[3oneday]

Good irons those mizzies ;) 8)

[Courty]

Good irons those mizzies ;) 8)

Apparently.

[dhills2]

Hey Courty,
I'm now up in Cairns but still spending my days looking for jobs at the moment. Probably join the club next week. Been to the range twice now on the way back from town to Bentley Park & course looks the goods (looks long!). Pretty sure I heard Tomson get called to the tee for a midweek comp too :) Which comp day do most ozgolfers get out there? Sat morning? I'll yell out on here when I'm gonna get out there & chop up your beautiful course - and we can meet up for a beer in the clubhouse.

[Courty]

Hey Courty,
I'm now up in Cairns but still spending my days looking for jobs at the moment. Probably join the club next week. Been to the range twice now on the way back from town to Bentley Park & course looks the goods (looks long!). Pretty sure I heard Tomson get called to the tee for a midweek comp too :) Which comp day do most ozgolfers get out there? Sat morning? I'll yell out on here when I'm gonna get out there & chop up your beautiful course - and we can meet up for a beer in the clubhouse.

Good stuff. Haysey & I both live at Bentley Park also. We usually play Saturday morning (in fact I think we have an opening tomorrow as Tomson is away for the weekend and Solarman's mate has pulled out). A few of us are out there from 3:30pm most weekday afternoons as well. You have my mobile number now, so give me a bell when you're out there next & we'll do some introductions.

[haysey]

We had a spot. One of the James boys jumped in.


Welcome to Cairns dhills.

[Ned]

Solarman has mates ?????

[haysey]

No. I think he was a figment of Solarmans rather fertile imagination...

[solarman]

dhills2.....you may get told some things from certain disgruntled individuals soon. Do not pay any attention to any stories about me. I am sure that once we meet, you will form your own opinion. Don't let these immature juveniles with no class get to you.8)8)

[dhills2]

Hahaha, thanks fellas. Solarman... I usually believe everything I hear so watch out :-) Looks like I am hocking the irons I brought up with me... might be without crubs for a week but I might come loiter at the range a few arvos next week.

[haysey]

I'm sure we can sort you out with a loaner set. Let me know if your interested and I'll bring em down.

[razaar]

Courty, this can only help your swing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gNtbTmLUo&feature=player_embedded

[Courty]

Courty, this can only help your swing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gNtbTmLUo&feature=player_embedded

Interesting, thanks Ray.

[Yossarian]

Tourfit would love that guy.

[dhills2]

Thanks haysey but im sure ill find something shortly. F me it's hard to find work here with all the euro backpackers! Humidity is also ridiculous. When was the last time someone posted re courty's swing? :-)

[haysey]

F me it's hard to find work here with all the euro backpackers!


It isn't a good time to be looking for work in Cairns fullstop



Humidity is also ridiculous.


We'll revisit this comment in December. Assuming you haven't melted:lol:



When was the last time someone posted re courty's swing? :-)


Courty's swing still sucks:razz:

[Courty]

It's a work in progress. Today the progress was reversed. :roll:

[Courty]

Lesson 2 booked tomorrow with Luke.

In the first lesson, the only thing Luke had me working on was the plane of my backswing. I was taking the club back outside the line. Interestingly enough, I still managed to drop it into the slot, but was plagued by erratic shots as a result. After a breaking period of about 48 hours, the changes that Luke had me make started showing immediate results. I shot a couple of rounds in the 70s, and was on track to win the Monthly Medal when I injured my wrist (+1 after 14), but that's a story for another day. My wrist still isn't 100%, but it's not affecting my swing any longer. I have been playing rubbish ever since I hurt my wrist, but it occurred to me today that a lot of that may due to something as simple as over-swinging (getting dis-connected).

[Outcast]

Courty,

why don't you go and see Luke at Cairns GC...

If you talk to him about your swing and where you want to get to you'll find he's pretty good at not f****king with your swing. He actually listens to what you want to achieve...and, being the local pro, he probably knows what your capable of anyway.

I find him particularly useful as he doesn't try to make you swing the way he does, he just takes what you got and tweaks it...

Honest mate, give Luke a try

[haysey]

Lesson 2 booked tomorrow with Luke.

In the first lesson, the only thing Luke had me working on was the plane of my backswing.


Courty,

why don't you go and see Luke at Cairns GC...

If you talk to him about your swing and where you want to get to you'll find he's pretty good at not f****king with your swing. He actually listens to what you want to achieve...and, being the local pro, he probably knows what your capable of anyway.

I find him particularly useful as he doesn't try to make you swing the way he does, he just takes what you got and tweaks it...

Honest mate, give Luke a try



:mrgreen:

[Outcast]

:mrgreen:

Yeah, yeah, didn't read that friggin far into the post did I????:oops:

[Courty]

:roll:




:lol:

[Outcast]

:roll:


:lol:

Luke is friggin good to work with though ain't he??

[Courty]

Luke is friggin good to work with though ain't he??

Yep. Only had one lesson with him so far (a few weeks ago).

[haysey]

Yeah, yeah, didn't read that friggin far into the post did I????:oops:


I hear that. I struggle to get through more than the first couple of words of Courty's posts as well[-(

[solarman]

I'm going to him today for my short game.....may as well #### that up too.

[Courty]

I'm going to him today for my short game.....may as well #### that up too.

How's that? It can't possibly get any worse. :p

[haysey]

Lukes short game advice to Solarman. "Buy a chipper":lol:

[Ned]

Lukes short game advice to Solarman. "Buy a chipper":lol:

Its a wonder he just didnt give him one!

[haysey]

Lukes given lessons to both Solarman and Courty today. Guaranteed he's on the piss tonight:smt030

[Courty]

Lukes given lessons to both Solarman and Courty today. Guaranteed he's on the piss tonight:smt030

Lucky you didn't hit him up for a lesson as well. They would have had to take him away to a padded cell. :p

[Ned]

Lukes given lessons to both Solarman and Courty today. Guaranteed he's on the piss tonight:smt030

Must be, I texted him a while ago and got a "Im a mess" reply!

[haysey]

Lucky you didn't hit him up for a lesson as well. They would have had to take him away to a padded cell. :p


Pfft, who needs lessons. I didn't get those dime marks on the irons by being a chopper.8)



Must be, I texted him a while ago and got a "Im a mess" reply!


I'll bet. Poor bugger:D

[Ned]

Pfft, who needs lessons. I didn't get those dime marks on the irons by being a chopper.8)





I'll bet. Poor bugger:D

Thats a bit harsh on Courty really, I mean for all of his troubles with the shanks, he must have some exceptional ability to only have one shank mark on his crubs, he just shanks in the same spot all the time!!!!:razz:



:wink:

[Courty]

Thats a bit harsh on Courty really, I mean for all of his troubles with the shanks, he must have some exceptional ability to only have one shank mark on his crubs, he just shanks in the same spot all the time!!!!:razz:

Whilst on that subject... the shanks have been cured. 8)

Funny story though, when Luke asked my to make a few swings to see where I was at (before the lesson commenced), the first 3 were all shanks. :lol:

[Ned]

Whilst on that subject... the shanks have been cured. 8)

Funny story though, when Luke asked my to make a few swings to see where I was at (before the lesson commenced), the first 3 were all shanks. :lol:

:roll:

[razaar]

Courty

I was watching one of our members hitting balls at the range and thought of you. He was hitting a 9-iron with his driver swing, maybe longer than he should swing a driver. His worst shots were shanks and he had plenty of these. This guy has a handicap of 10, so his short game must be really good.

[haysey]

Warning: Language:roll:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfNxb8GLKOk

[mike]

Is that the 7th? I recognize the Greek lady.

[Courty]

Is that the 7th? I recognize the Greek lady.

Sure is, although that's not what most people recognise as the Greek Lady.

[Courty]

OK, I had a shocker yesterday.
I know that I'm coming over the top quite severely, but I'm not sure what I need to do to stop it. I've watched some Youtube vids about it but I'm still no clearer on the matter. Any ideas?

[Yossarian]

Head over to ISG and post up a swing thread.

[KristianJ]

Is it just the angle of the pic in your avatar or is the ball some distance in front of your front foot?

[Courty]

Angle of the pic... I blame my missus.

[Ned]

Thread title explains all and Thread Owner solely to blame. :razz:

[Jarro]

Courty, that backswing looks pretty flat.

Has it always been so ?

[Courty]

Thread title explains all and Thread Owner solely to blame. :razz:

It was still good enough to take your cash at Paradise Palms. 8)


Courty, that backswing looks pretty flat.

Has it always been so ?

When it goes bad, it gets flatter than that. I was striping driver that day, so maybe that position is what I need to work towards.

[Ned]

It was still good enough to take your cash at Paradise Palms. 8)

#-o:smt013

[Courty]

A big thanks to Virge for the 5 minute lesson just before the Champs Saturday round. It screwed me up for that first round, but a quick chat on Saturday night and I got it sorted for Sunday.

[Jono]

A big thanks to Virge for the 5 minute lesson just before the Champs Saturday round. It screwed me up for that first round, but a quick chat on Saturday night and I got it sorted for Sunday.

You gonna tell us what the tip was? :wink:

[haysey]

Hit it better?

[Jarro]

That'll do it :)

[Courty]

You gonna tell us what the tip was? :wink:

I would, but when I woke up this morning I'd forgotten. Well, that's my excuse for today's score. :oops:

[KristianJ]

What? Not the added encumbrance of your stunning rain gear??

[Courty]

What? Not the added encumbrance of your stunning rain gear??

No encumbrance. I was swinging free today. ;)

[Courty]

Here's a vid taken during today's round (11th at Cairns).

I've been tinkering again, just concentrating on feeling that my hands stay more in front of my chest. It seems to be working, I've been hitting the ball much straighter since trying this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dkhe7fQlRI

FWIW, it didn't go in the water. :roll:

It was on a line about 3m left of the flag and carried to the back edge of the green (about 6-8m behind the flagstick).

[virge666]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbdfOOc1fI

All plane lines do is show you how good your hands are...

You need to sort out the lower half and get some power and consistancy.

Same stuff we did at Pelican.

[virge666]

With many thanks to Marty Ayers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCMT5Uw1Ckc&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

and further


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkNfmWjSD_c&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

[virge666]

One last one from Marty.

For after you get the feeling above. Great Drill for Pitching.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOmxmYeRBaQ&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

[virge666]

Any better ??

[Courty]

Yes and no. My pro is on the same track as you, but the latest thing he's got me trying is killing me.

[virge666]

Yes and no. My pro is on the same track as you, but the latest thing he's got me trying is killing me.

Awesome - must be good then...

[sms316]

Yes and no. My pro is on the same track as you, but the latest thing he's got me trying is killing me.
A pre-shot routine of less than 20 seconds?

[Courty]

Awesome - must be good then...

Not really. He had me setting up with 60+% weight on my back foot. Every time I made a full swing I got stuck on the back foot.

[razaar]

Courty
Why not ask your pro something along these lines .

where is the weight on the feet, towards the balls of the feet, the insteps or towards the heels and why?
where are the knees positioned at address and at the takeaway and why?
what do the legs do during the backswing and where is the weight and pressure distributed at the top of the backswing and why?
how is the weight shifted from the right foot/leg to the left foot leg - is there other ways?
what does the left leg and hip do during the forward swing and why?

[Courty]

Quick update. I've been concentrating on keeping the lower half quiet, and it's beginning to pay off already. I've learnt the feeling of the coil, and have discovered a whole new way to generate power compared to what I've been doing. I'll keep working on it before posting another vid.

[Ned]

This need revisiting after yesterday's Club throwing fail ?

[matty]

Love the analysis in post #137 by Virge. One day I'd love to have my swing analysed like that.

What you wrote in your last post Courty about keeping your lower part quiet is what I have been concentrating on after watching how little McIlroy moves his body, keeps his angles when striking. Made me realise I'm a bit all over the joint and it's more luck, manipulation when it comes off. Had some good results. The swing felt more compact.

So, Courty, what's doing with throwing clubs around the place!

[Courty]

Love the analysis in post #137 by Virge. One day I'd love to have my swing analysed like that.

Yep. Virge is da man! :smt023


What you wrote in your last post Courty about keeping your lower part quiet is what I have been concentrating on after watching how little McIlroy moves his body, keeps his angles when striking. Made me realise I'm a bit all over the joint and it's more luck, manipulation when it comes off. Had some good results. The swing felt more compact.

When I do it correctly, I realise how good a ball-striker I could be. 8)


So, Courty, what's doing with throwing clubs around the place!

When I don't do it correctly, I get rather displeased with myself. :oops:

[virge666]

Love the analysis in post #137 by Virge. One day I'd love to have my swing analysed like that.



Load it up on YouTube... front and back

[KristianJ]

When I do it correctly, I realise how good a ball-striker I could be. 8)


+1. I had that feeling last Thursday when I hit a 9 iron about 135 uphill to just under 3 feet. Put everything I'd been reading/seeing into practice and my swing, for that fleeting moment, was in near perfect sync.

Then I realised how shite a putting machine I was when I got hasty and missed my birdie putt. :roll: I didn't throw my flatstick though. ;)

[Courty]

Bump.

Hey Virge666, after reading some of Timah's thread, I have a question... is any of the stuff you got me doing on the weekend RSS?

Are you able to upload the vids you took on your camera?

[timah!]

I know he's waiting to get a decent quality 'old swing' video from me, hopefully on sunday...

[popper81]

Everyone is going RSS... ;)

[timah!]

It's a guys stronger side ;)

[Courty]

It's a guys stronger side ;)

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-s





;)

[virge666]

Bump.

Hey Virge666, after reading some of Timah's thread, I have a question... is any of the stuff you got me doing on the weekend RSS?

Are you able to upload the vids you took on your camera?

No RSS for you. Just trying to get you to take the club away without moving off the ball. if it was RSS, I would have you right shoulder a lot lower and hands higher on the backswing.

Should be able to do vids later this evening... meetings all day today

[Courty]

No RSS for you. Just trying to get you to take the club away without moving off the ball. if it was RSS, I would have you right shoulder a lot lower and hands higher on the backswing.

Should be able to do vids later this evening... meetings all day today

Sweet, thanks.

Remind me again what causes the massive pulls and what to do to fix it?

Edit: you were also going to talk to me about getting steep with the short irons...

[TheNuclearOne]

Just trying to get you to take the club away without moving off the ball.


Wouldn't that be nice. My biggest fault. I'm trying to keep the weight on the instep of the back foot.

[razaar]

Wouldn't that be nice. My biggest fault. I'm trying to keep the weight on the instep of the back foot.
When the right arm is used to keep the left from lifting during the takeaway, the weight shifts to the instep. Intense inwards rotation of the right foot and knee keeps it there.

[TheNuclearOne]

When the right arm is used to keep the left from lifting during the takeaway, the weight shifts to the instep. Intense inwards rotation of the right foot and knee keeps it there.

Can you rephrase that Raz? I'm half picking up what you're putting down.

[razaar]

Can you rephrase that Raz? I'm half picking up what you're putting down.Start a new thread and we can run through it.

[virge666]

In my limited understanding of bio-mechanics, it feels like my upper body is moving off the ball, but wouldn't that only be possible if my lower half were also doing so?

The golf swing aint that complex... fixing it is . . . but the basic side is pretty bloody easy.

Break the swing into two parts... the upper body and the lower body. And lets start at impact. All golfers whether that are good all bad have the same sort of impact position. The right side of the body hitting into a strong and stable left side of the body. Even down syndrome retards with a handicap of 40 have this impact position with their body. They have to, it is the only way to get some clubhead on the ball. The only slight difference is that some of the weaker players will have the knee protuded to further brace against the impact.

This is you at impact

19328

And this is you at setup..

19329

So for this to work, we need a way to get into you impact position... and for that we need a good setup position to start from.

The big question is... is your position at the top the best way to get into the impact position ?

19330

Keeping those lines on the pictures shows you that you are correct - it is your upper half that is moving off the ball. So trying to fix your feet or solid them up or bow your legs or whatever rubbish idea you can think of will do sweet FA because your legs has not moved in the first place.

What REALLY has happened is that your right arm is too dominant and isn't folding on the backswing. So the right arm is pushing the right shoulder UP, which is pushing left shoulder down... with me ?

Now... this is where we get technical... will be a simple as I can but since we are working in 3 planes... it is a bit difficult.

Things to know...

#1. The shoulders can work up and down and they can also work around... If you shrug your shoulders... they work up and down. If you pull them back and push them forward whilst sitting upright in a chair... they can work around.

You need to understand this difference, because if you don't. You will never be a consistant ball striker. Good golfers work the shoulders around., Shit golfers work it up and down. Not a truly fair comparison.. as a lot of low markers, me included, have been able to play with quite a bit of up and down movement over the years. But if you want power and consistancy - this will do it.

WHY ?

So - Right shoulder up, left shoulder down... this pushes the hips to the right. THIS IS THE KILLER. If the right shoulder goes around... the hips dont get moved. They can stay stable and then and only then ... the legs can brace and you can hit into a solid left side.

otherwise, you have to slide the hips a mile to the left to get your impact position.

how to identify it... Bloody easy.

[virge666]

19331

Check out the shoulder angle...

Now check out Brad Lamb

19332

But he is a RSS - how about a normal bloke.

Andre Stolz

19333

Go and have a look on YouTube and you will see the same thing over and over again... the way the left arm works in a better golfer is totally different to the way you do it. You only have to look at the head angles to really see the difference.

Right arm folds, right shoulder is lower on the backswing. This allows the hips to load...

People call it swaying, tilting, moving off the ball and god knows what else.

[virge666]

Stuck it in the Sway with Ray thread mate.

[Courty]

Stuck it in the Sway with Ray thread mate.

Thanks mate!

[Courty]

Virge, I'm making some real progress with the irons, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the driver. I keep hitting it low & left. :neutral:

[IamViva]

change your driver loft and hit it straighter :p

[Courty]

change your driver loft and hit it straighter :p

I'll take that on board, supercoach. :mrgreen:

[shavey]

In my quest for 'Sleep-in Sunday" at the 2013 Champs, I've started down the path of swing changes so I'll be following this thread with interest Courty.

Supercoach looks to have cured the shanks so I'm now working on the full swing.

[virge666]

Virge, I'm making some real progress with the irons, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the driver. I keep hitting it low & left. :neutral:

It shouldn't change between clubs... Unless you are changing between clubs...

Video it and I am guessing your upper body is going backwards through impact and follow through.. Hence the low and lefts...

Hit a few shots gripped down about 2 inches and see if the low lefts persist.

Report back

[Courty]

Will do. Thanks mate.