The Phil Gould appreciation thread

[Scoot]

Off the back of Phull giving Jarrod Hayne credit for Parra's 1st try (Hayne played the ball quickly), I thought that he needs a bit more than just a quick mention in the NRL or what pisses me off thread.

Therefore, I've started this thread to discuss Phull's insights into the tactic's employed by teams, his predictions and his claims to fame about how he would have done it.

Channel nine commentry.... Ensuring Fox keeps subscriptions growing.

[sms316]

On one hand Phil is a prize cockhead. On the other he was a fantastic NSW Origin coach.

I strongly believe his greatest contribution as NSW Origin coach was his passionate hatred of those Qld ****s, closely followed by the fact he wasn't commentating.

[Sydney Hacker]

On one hand Phil is a prize cockhead. On the other he was a fantastic NSW Origin coach.

I strongly believe his greatest contribution as NSW Origin coach was his passionate hatred of those Qld ****s, closely followed by the fact he wasn't commentating.


And you moved to Qld because ???

[sms316]

It is a step up from Canberra and my wife wouldn't move to Sydney.

Seriously. My dream job in my line of work came up a month or so ago and all I could do was cry.

[Yossarian]

Would she move to Melbourne?

[Sydney Hacker]

It is a step up from Canberra and my wife wouldn't move to Sydney.

Seriously. My dream job in my line of work came up a month or so ago and all I could do was cry.

And what was this role ?

[sms316]

Would she move to Melbourne?
She would. I wouldn't piss on Melbourne.

[sms316]

And what was this role ?

NSWGC Director of Golf.

[Yossarian]

You should come to Perth.

[Sydney Hacker]

NSWGC Director of Golf.

You get pissed off with members at RQ, how do you think you would handle NSW ?

[sms316]

You should come to Perth.
I might as well move overseas. You wankers don't even speak the same language.


You get pissed off with members at RQ, how do you think you would handle NSW ?
I get pissed off with golfers who leave their brains at the gate. Unfortunately that is the majority of golfers.

The fact that NSWGC is my favourite course might have something to do with it too.

[Sydney Hacker]

I might as well move overseas. You wankers don't even speak the same language.


I get pissed off with golfers who leave their brains at the gate. Unfortunately that is the majority of golfers.

The fact that NSWGC is my favourite course might have something to do with it too.

Hmm as I have said before, maybe a change of career is called for. If the majority of golfers piss you off you are in the wrong business and should do something else!

[sms316]

Probably. Unfortunately it is what I know. At my stage in life I'm pretty much rooted if I want to consider a career change.

[Yossarian]

Maybe start a blog about what to do next? Supergoal your way around Australia?

[Scoot]

Ummm,

Thanks for the relevant input.

This is the Phil Gould Appreciation thread, not the SMS Appreciation thread.

[Sydney Hacker]

Probably. Unfortunately it is what I know. At my stage in life I'm pretty much rooted if I want to consider a career change.

What a crock of shite! I know guys much older then you who have changed careers late in life and done so very succesfully.

[sms316]

More people appreciate Gus than SMS. It is a sad state of affairs.

[Peter]

Good thread Scooter. I like Phil Gould - he's a genuinely nice guy and has a good footy brain.

[Jarro]

Gould's a cockhead

[Bruce]

Phil is a polemicist of sorts as and such if his prejudices match your own you will like him, and if they don't you will rate him as a first grade cockhead.

[Grunt]

Think you hit the nail on the head Bruce.

I find I like him sometimes and don't at other points. He definitely has a great football brain but sometimes tries to be a showman and not the technical specialist he should.

[Fraser]

what i like about him is he calls a spade a spade.
i also like that he is an old school player & likes to let things happen (niggle)
And what Grant said "very good football brain"

[PeteyD]

I find myself agreeing with him too often for my own comfort. Particularly with regards to video refs and scrums. I do not think his commentary at game time is great though. More annoying with the no no no rubbish than anything else.

I also think he is the only coach NSW have had that understood how much QLD hates the blues.

[Eag's]

There is no doubt the bloke knows his footy, but sometimes he lets his ego do too much of the talking. :roll:
The one thing that pisses me off, is when he starts arguing with Ray Warren instead of calling the bloody game :smt093

[BrisWesty]

Thought this was going to be a really short thread.

[Hux]

Bruce you edjacated lout...throwing out new words like that.
Without looking up Google for the definition I realised I was going to fit into the later category of Phil being a first grade cockhead :-)

[TheTrueReview]

Bruce you edjacated lout...throwing out new words like that.
Without looking up Google for the definition I realised I was going to fit into the later category of Phil being a first grade cockhead :-)

I went the extra yard & looked up 'polemicist' (only b/c it's dead easy on a Mac).



"polemic |pəˈlemik|
noun
a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something ...
....
DERIVATIVES
polemicist |pəˈleməsist| noun"

"First grade c*ckhead" was strangely missing. :razz:

[henno]

It's under "F":


First grade c*ckhead
noun

SEE: Phil Gould

[dhills2]

I find myself agreeing with him too often for my own comfort. Particularly with regards to video refs and scrums. I do not think his commentary at game time is great though. More annoying with the no no no rubbish than anything else.

I also think he is the only coach NSW have had that understood how much QLD hates the blues.

I'm with you Petey... my girlfriend even teases me because of the amount of times I say something during a match which is then repeated almost word for word by Gus. She doesn't care for footy talk & hates him with a passion!

I can see why everyone hates him but I think he thrives off it... plus he definitely has more to contribute (re footy knowledge) than any of the other commentators on channel 9. He also wouldn't be out of place in the coaching box for another Origin series.

Lastly... I love Sunday afternoon footy :)

[3oneday]

Phil is a polemicist of sorts


Think you hit the nail on the head Bruce.
excellent Grant, so what did Bruce say please ? :confused:


I don't mind Phil, he does try a bit hard at times to find controversy but that's probably more to do with his perceived failure in media circles I reckon.

[WBennett]

I refuse to watch Ch 9 games because of him.

I'm glad the Raiders are on Foxtel every week, as I never have to hear him or Ray Warren and their incessant verbal diahrrea

[Scoot]

I had originally intended my initial post to be quite clear that this is a shit bagging thread. It may not have been that clear.

The 'Appreciation' in the title should be read with the maximum sarcasm rating.

Phil Gould is a blight on the game. Always has been, though I now worry that he's bringing Sterlo down.

Comments like the one I made in the first post, were he has such a crush on blokes (Hayne) that he credit's them with the four points because they didn't throw an U/16 panic type pass over the top of their head, and then he played the ball quickly. No credit was given to anyone in the following play.

For mine, that is a piss poor opinion that reeks of favouritism / giddyness.

As a coach, he has a good record. That does not translate to god status.

Therefore, can this thread please serve the purpose that it was meant to and shit bag the Frikken tool.

[mike]

Gould is a complete fkwt.

(Scoot is that the sort of thing you're after?)


I refuse to watch Ch 9 games because of him.
The only Ch 9 games I'll watch are Dragons games. Otherwise I just watch the games on Fox. I despise everything about the 9 coverage. Everything.

[KristianJ]

Rating the thread 1 star is the least I could do.

[Peter]

I think you blokes are being a bit harsh.

[PeteyD]

Sterlo is a ****en idiot too. The commentary team are knobjockey ****wits.

[dhills2]

I refuse to watch Ch 9 games because of him.

I'm glad the Raiders are on Foxtel every week, as I never have to hear him or Ray Warren and their incessant verbal diahrrea

Rabs is unreal! His rambling is pure entertainment.

I'm glad the Raiders are on Fox every week as well, as I don't have Fox & would be very angry if channel 9 wasted valuable air time on them :lol: Haven't enjoyed watching the Raiders for well over a decade.

From past experiences I find Fox commentating dry & lacking enthusiasm. Not sure if Daley is still doing the rounds but he is probably the most boring commentator in Australia, if not the world.

[Scoot]

Gould is a complete fkwt.

(Scoot is that the sort of thing you're after?)


Keep up the good work.

[Tongueboy]

Gould is ok. can't stand that drug popping **** from cessnock

[Haystacks]

Gould is known as "The Fat Idiot" in our house, only because we don't swear in front of the kids!

It's a race to turn the sound down on the telly the moment anyone hears his idiotic ramblings!

[dc68]

I am actually starting to warm to Jabba the Hutt's younger brother.
No Shaun not you it's Phil. I used to hate the polesmoker but
over the last couple of years have found him to be
bearable (excluding the Golden Child post bust interview).

[mike]

It's a race to turn the sound down on the telly the moment anyone hears his idiotic ramblings!
I'm getting pretty good with the mute button. When he does the "No no no no no no no no" thing, by the time he gets to the third "no" I have silence.

[Courty]

I think he's an opinionated wanker.

But I do concur that he has a very good football brain (and also that he's an opinionated wanker)!

[Scoot]

But I do concur that he has a very good football brain (and also that he's an opinionated wanker)!

So does everyone else that can comment on plays after they happen.

[Sydney Hacker]

So does everyone else that can comment on plays after they happen.

Isn't that what his job is ? You want him to comment on them before they happen ?

[Scoot]

Isn't that what his job is ? You want him to comment on them before they happen ?

Wasn't quite talking about his commentating skills with that post.

It was more the 'Monday expert' syndrome where he may be critical of something, then proceed to let everyone know how he would have done it.

[Daves]

I appreciate Phil because he is so easy to hate.

Is he Marty Feldman's love child? or did Blocker Roach sit on him at some stage?

[WBennett]

Give me the Monday night footy team of Brandy, Lozza and Wazza Smith. A far superior coverage and more entertaining product than Nein could ever do.

[Grunt]

Greg Alexander is up there with the Worst commentator on TV. Wayne Pearce is the worst.

[Jarro]

Give me the Monday night footy team of Brandy, Lozza and Wazza Smith. A far superior coverage and more entertaining product than Nein could ever do.

Agreed 8)


Greg Alexander is up there with the Worst commentator on TV. Wayne Pearce is the worst.

His voice is rather annoying, but his footballing brain is excellent .... always right on the mark with his comments IMO.

[mike]

Gould is a fkn idiot and should keep his fat mouth shut.

[mike]

He's now almost defending Storm's actions saying they've developed all of their stars from virtual nobodys.

The Dragons (an example. I know there are others) have developed and lost so many players in the last 5 years simply because they play by the rules. We'd love to still have Gasnier, Morris, Ennis, Poore, Kite, Stanley, Paia etc but rules are rules.

Gould is saying the cap should be bigger. The game can't afford a bigger cap.

[Jarro]

Blah Blah Blah rant rant rant ...

Gould is saying the cap should be bigger. The game can't afford a bigger cap.

Then lets just let all the taletnted, top tier players waltz away to Jap rugby :roll:

Lets have a rule that if a player is with the same club for 10 years or more, they are exempt from the SC.

[PeteyD]

Gould is right, ouch that hurts.

[Grunt]

Lets have a rule that if a player is with the same club for 10 years or more, they are exempt from the SC.
That was tried a few years ago but teams like the Roosters did not like it because they do not have juniors that they could develop. Gallop was on the radio yesterday saying that too.

[3oneday]

Gould is distorting the truth to get under Gallops skin, and Gallop knows it but probably can't say it ? The majority of ones who left to play rugby or play in England left because they could earn more, it doesn't mean they were worth more. When does the income level stop being reasonable ?

[Peter]

When does the income level stop being reasonable ?
When it is more than someone is willing to pay.

Gould has it in for Gallop and he shows it by attacking him every chance he gets, whether justified or not.

The cap needs to be higher if league wants to keep its top talent, but only if the game is able to support the additional cost. At this stage it doesn't look like league is popular (and thus profitable) enough to do that.

[Grunt]

How much more? 700K ?

[mike]

The cap doesn't need to be higher. Each season gets tighter and tighter which proves the cap is working.
The quality of football being played is outstanding. Nobody can refute this. If the code loses a Karmichael Hunt or Mark Gasnier every year then so be it. You can't combat greed.
Put the cap too high and we'll have the bad old days where there are 4 or 5 wealthy clubs that dominate for years on end.

One other point I'd like to make; Gould is a c**khead.

[Grunt]

For every player we have lost there has been another found, no one is irreplaceable.

[mike]

Exactly Grunt. That winger for Melbourne. (Duffy) What a player.
The talent is there.

[Peter]

That's a flawed argument - the game would be better if it kept the existing talent and developed the new talent.

The cap has worked in that it has spread talent more evenly, but I believe the quality of games would improve if the cap were higher (provided it was profitable enough to support a higher cap).

[3oneday]

Yep, and Cronulla would be no more already.

[mike]

You're pulling the piss aren't you Pete? The quality of the games couldn't get much better. The rugby league population only complain about the standard of refereeing, not the standard of play.

EDIT I meant Pete as in Peter, not Pete as in 3OD

[PeteyD]

The cap is there to keep the poorer sydney clubs from overspending and going broke, and so the Broncos don't do a New York Yankees and just buy everyone.

Should a team get concessions for developing players at a senior level? Melbourne took Slater, Smith, Cooper Kronk when no one else wanted to pay em anything.

There should also be a draft. Most major sports have a draft. The one the AFL uses does a lot to even out the field.

[mike]

The cap is there to keep the poorer sydney clubs from overspending and going broke, and so the Broncos don't do a New York Yankees and just buy everyone.I agree.


Should a team get concessions for developing players at a senior level? Melbourne took Slater, Smith, Cooper Kronk when no one else wanted to pay em anything. Yes they should.


There should also be a draft. Most major sports have a draft. The one the AFL uses does a lot to even out the field.I agree again.

[PeteyD]

Dragons suck. Can't have you agreeing with everything.

[mike]

You're too predictable.

[Peter]

3, would that be a bad thing? (kidding)

I assume that the only way to increase the cap is to increase the revenue from TV rights. This would need to be distributed to the clubs equally in order to not unfairly impact clubs with less money.

Mike, not taking the piss mate. I genuinely think that the quality would be better if clubs were able to attract (and keep) more talented players. I also think the quality has decreased as the use of wrestling holds and techniques has increased, but that's an argument for another time!

[mike]

I assume that the only way to increase the cap is to increase the revenue from TV rights. This would need to be distributed to the clubs equally in order to not unfairly impact clubs with less money.I've read the NRL get around $150 mil a year of which only 50 mil goes back to the clubs. (I think I read that right) If this is the case then the NRL need to give more back to the game.


I also think the quality has decreased as the use of wrestling holds and techniques has increased, but that's an argument for another time!:lol:
May as well keep kicking the Storm while they're down. But yes you're correct, the wrestling is a blight on the game. But no amount of salary cap will change that. Thanks Bellamy.

[PeteyD]

Do the clubs get any of the TV rights money? Or is it just Manly (oops that was so pre Super League :D ).

This is what the NFL do. http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html

Not sure that it is the best solution, but it works. I wonder if their salary cap auditing is anything like the drug use auditing.

[PeteyD]

May as well keep kicking the Storm while they're down. But yes you're correct, the wrestling is a blight on the game. But no amount of salary cap will change that. Thanks Bellamy.

It is a blight on the game, but so is bombs for tries, kickers milking penalties, Kimmorly, etc etc. You use the rules to the best of your advantage.

[KristianJ]

Gould is distorting the truth to get under Gallops skin, and Gallop knows it but probably can't say it ? The majority of ones who left to play rugby or play in England left because they could earn more, it doesn't mean they were worth more. When does the income level stop being reasonable ?

It was dead obvious on the Footy Show this morning...as Gus was blabbering on with his objections, the frustrated scowl on Gallop's face was plain for all to see.

Mike's right - no cap, and we'll have a competition just like the English Premier League. The only chance you have of doing any good is to have a rich owner who will throw buckets of cash at the best players.

[KristianJ]

There should also be a draft. Most major sports have a draft. The one the AFL uses does a lot to even out the field.

It'll never happen - they tried it in the early 90s, but Terry Hill kicked up a stink about it being a restraint of trade and it's never been touched since.

[PeteyD]

It'll never happen - they tried it in the early 90s, but Terry Hill kicked up a stink about it being a restraint of trade and it's never been touched since.

I know. It was a successful legal challenge but the lisping wanker, hence they are not doing it again. Mind you I think they needed to set it up better.

[Grunt]

Draft was killed off as a restraint of trade in the Federal Court. That killed it off in the NRL for ever. This salary cap breach may see the Salary cap taken to the courts too.

[macjackass]

Gould is a complete tool!! Not to mention a grossly over-rated coach. Look at the players he had compared to who they have picked this year. Kimmorley, Lyon and gidley?? Come on, some of the worst players in origin history!! I don't know who qld have after thurston, prince and cronk but he'd have to be better than kimmorley. As for commentators, league doesn't have anyone decent. Bring back the moose!

[TheNuclearOne]

Gould is a complete tool!! Not to mention a grossly over-rated coach. Look at the players he had compared to who they have picked this year. Kimmorley, Lyon and gidley?? Come on, some of the worst players in origin history!!

And also look at the umpteen years NSW had far stronger sides than QLD on paper yet the coaches still could not get them home. Even more telling - look at the Fatty V coached QLD team that flogged NSW during the Superleague era. When it comes to playing QLD having a great and superior team on paper has counted for bucklies time and time again. NSW would dominate Australian teams even when getting trounced in Origin. Even in recent years NSW have still had the more reknowned forwards. Thankfully QLD have had an incredible array of backline talent for some time now.

Gould must be given his due here. He looked at the QLD spirit and actually found ways to instill some of it into the Blues.

Meninga has built one helluva record too now.

[PeteyD]

Gould was the only cockroach that understood QLDers. The rest of em are hopeless.

[Grunt]

I think you are on the money there Petey.

He has said he does not want the job again too. Not sure if there is any other coach that may come close.

[Peter]

He won't take the job until he thinks they have a good chance of winning - right now, the coach isn't the problem.

[Grunt]

it is the Selectors!!!

[Peter]

It's the players.

[macjackass]

It's chopping and changing all the time, the lack of quality players and the fact qld have better players in just about every position!!!!!

[Bruce]

It's the vibe...

[TheNuclearOne]

Maybe it's just the QLD spirit and sheer determination :mrgreen:

[Tongueboy]

shows you how ****ed in the head Gus is when you QLD blokes say he understands you

[PeteyD]

5 in a row, what else is there to say.

[Tongueboy]

SNM

[TheNuclearOne]

shows you how ****ed in the head Gus is when you QLD blokes say he understands you


Which is why he is so out of place with you (his own) lot. When it comes to Origin he was a winner.

[Ned]

Gould is like a number of people, plenty of mouth, plenty of subjective opinion, plenty of belief in their own shyte, a MINORITY and NFI.

EDIT: EVERYTIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH OR GETS IN FRONT OF A CAMERA!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vW-f8QS75wg/S9bZ4a5J1_I/AAAAAAAABHg/P4WrrEksOTM/cartoon-expert.jpg

[TheNuclearOne]

For sure, Gould's success in Origin and Footy overall is abysmal lmao

[Jarro]

Gould is a dickhead

[Ned]

For sure, Gould's success in Origin and Footy overall is abysmal lmao

Clarification for your benefit TNO. (Thread updated)

When he first started as a Coach he was successful, but from that point on his EGO took precedent as far as he was concerned.

[sms316]

Gus is misunderstood.

[Ned]

Gus is misunderstood.:-"

What jarro said!


Gould is a dickhead

[TheNuclearOne]

Clarification for your benefit TNO. (Thread updated)

When he first started as a Coach he was successful, but from that point on his EGO took precedent as far as he was concerned.

Whether a wanker or not and like him or loathe (i'm not coming into that one lol) he's got the runs on the board for Origin.