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Scottt
13th February 2010, 08:17 PM
Some recent pics of my swing. I am really happy with my positions halfway back, at the top and halfway back down, but for the fact it seems I am still firing my hips too late.

I also seem to lose my posture a bit halfway down to impact.

Anything else that stands out?

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http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7735/p2080274.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7735/p2080274.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3172/p2080275.jpg
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adlo
13th February 2010, 08:19 PM
2 things.

1. Buy new shoes.
2. Tee it higher. Much higher. I am sure there is a 7 inch tee available these days. Just for you.

qbnchopper
13th February 2010, 08:25 PM
I'd ask your Missus .....:roll::roll:

Scottt
13th February 2010, 08:26 PM
2 things.

1. Buy new shoes.
2. Tee it higher. Much higher. I am sure there is a 7 inch tee available these days. Just for you.

1. I didn't take my golf shoes to Egypt.
2. That first pic is after I began the takeaway. I actually tee the ball quite low.

Moe Norman
13th February 2010, 08:29 PM
1. Lose Weight
2. Wear appropriate golfing attire
3. Rogaine

Minor_Threat
13th February 2010, 08:30 PM
Posture isnt the greatest mate..

moree golfer
13th February 2010, 08:35 PM
Scottt, I don't profess to be a guru of the golf swing but after my lesson this week I would say you are a little late in getting the hips turned to the target. My pro put my swing on tape and broke it down there on the 'range' and I do the same thing, hips are facing the ball at the 'parallel with the ground' point of the downswing rather than on there way to pointing to the target. Just my 2 cents. Nice takeaway FWIW.

moree golfer
13th February 2010, 08:37 PM
Second look you seem a little upright with a curved spine at address, maybe point you chin out more to straighten your posture.

Moe Norman
13th February 2010, 08:38 PM
I know nothing about the golf swing, hence my post wasn't very useful.

Scottt
13th February 2010, 08:38 PM
Fair call MT.

This one from St Mick's is a bit better. Posture has always been an issue. Ask Virge how bad it was way back when!

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6682/p1240925.jpg

henno
13th February 2010, 08:41 PM
Off the whites, you big girl.

Scottt
13th February 2010, 08:42 PM
:lol:

LarryLong
13th February 2010, 08:50 PM
It's great that they give you time off from bell-ringing to play golf.

virge666
13th February 2010, 08:59 PM
The hips aren't the problem - the posture and backswing are.

Have a look from front on - I bet the reverse K at setup turns into leaning forward K on the backswing.

Your right arm is too straight on the takeaway and this pulls you off and over the ball.

The club is then so closed at the top you have to fire everything to get it square at impact.

Posture and Takeaway - AXE DRILL or Preset drill.

Scottt
13th February 2010, 09:13 PM
Straight right arm because of too strong a RH grip?

Can you elaborate on what is faulty with the takeaway?

Grunt
13th February 2010, 09:16 PM
Another vote for get new shoes.
They are ok to wear on Seinfield but no where else!

virge666
13th February 2010, 09:19 PM
Straight right arm because of too strong a RH grip?

Can you elaborate on what is faulty with the takeaway?

Easy - you have the low and slow, one piece takeaway and you are taking it away along the target line.

So you are taking it straight back along a straight line... what this does is pull your left shoulder also along the target line... this pulls you body OFF the ball and reverse pivots you. IE: A straight right side leaning towards the target.

With me... ?

The golf swing is an arc - you need to stay in your posture AND spine angle and let that right arm fold and go backwards towards your right hip.
Think of it as c0cking your wrist realy early so you can stay in your posture.

Quiros, Westwood, Appleby, Pampling - whatch how these guys take the club away - the Right elbow folds and they stay centred and covering the ball.

With your method you move your entire lower body backwards and then fire your lower body towards the target.

Are you with me ?

Scottt
13th February 2010, 09:19 PM
Virge a side-on shot at the top of a different swing.

Reverse K?

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4428/p2080238.jpg

Scottt
13th February 2010, 09:24 PM
Easy - you have the low and slow, one piece takeaway and you are taking it away along the target line.

So you are taking it straight back along a straight line... what this does is pull your left shoulder also along the target line... this pulls you body OFF the ball and reverse pivots you. IE: A straight right side leaning towards the target.

With me... ?

The golf swing is an arc - you need to stay in your posture AND spine angle and let that right arm fold and go backwards towards your right hip.
Think of it as c0cking your wrist realy early so you can stay in your posture.

Quiros, Westwood, Appleby, Pampling - whatch how these guys take the club away - the Right elbow folds and they stay centred and covering the ball.

With your method you move your entire lower body backwards and then fire your lower body towards the target.

Are you with me ?

So I am sliding my shoulders away from the target rather than rotating them, which is causing a reverse pivot?

When I first saw the pic just above, it struck me that I didn't think my left knee should be collapsing in like that. is that right?

virge666
13th February 2010, 09:28 PM
Virge a side-on shot at the top of a different swing.

Reverse K?




Exactly - you have what we call "Shape" in your right side.

Shape is the kink in the K. The kink or SHAPE allows us to get leverage on the way down.

If you don't have SHAPE - you have to make SHAPE. Choppers create SHAPE by firing their legs to get that kink in the right side, once you have the kink - you can then fire the arms.

If you fire the arms without any SHAPE, you go over the top.

For you it is a bit of both... your left side is lower than your right, so for you to get shape - you have to dip the right side and hunch to get SHAPE. That is why the posture at impact, like Zig, is all just a product of your takeaway and posture.

If you get the Posture and Takeaway right, then you have a chance of getting to the next bit without some BS compensation move.

Otherwise you just end up like Zig, where you change everything else and end up with a golf swing that one day you "have it" and the next day you don't.

virge666
13th February 2010, 09:31 PM
So I am sliding my shoulders away from the target rather than rotating them, which is causing a reverse pivot?


No, You are sliding your hips to create turn - instead of turning.

Tilting you hips would be another description.

Find a way to get your hands to shoulder height without losing your reverse K.

Brad Lamb does this on an over exaggerated manor - but I can show you a photo if you like.

Scottt
13th February 2010, 09:37 PM
Fancy coming over here for a holiday? :lol:

Scottt
13th February 2010, 09:39 PM
Hang on, I think I've got it.

The sliding hips cause the left knee to kick in, which makes me lose my LHS height and collapse my upper body towards the target?

Less back and forward and more rotation?

3oneday
13th February 2010, 09:45 PM
Waste of time... new driver, problem fixed ;)

goughy
13th February 2010, 09:53 PM
AMI could help!

Scottt
13th February 2010, 10:16 PM
One more question: this poisonous move I am making - would you say it is more damaging to reliable, good contact the further you move through he set towards the wedges?

Because that has been my game of late: driving it really well, long irons pretty good, mid irons alright, inside 130m making really unreliable contact and pitching inside 80m don't even ask :lol:

Is that because of this?

markTHEblake
13th February 2010, 10:38 PM
It's great that they give you time off from bell-ringing to play golf.

:smt038

virge666
14th February 2010, 07:16 AM
Because that has been my game of late: driving it really well, long irons pretty good, mid irons alright, inside 130m making really unreliable contact and pitching inside 80m don't even ask :lol:


Classic description of flipping, or, breaking down at impact. What happens is that instead of hitting down on the ball, your left arm stops and your right side, be it hand or wrist flips over.

When this happens - you can test this at home with a club... the clubhead starts to come upwards and you get it low on the clubface.

This usually means you can hit anything of a tee really well, but when it comes to wedges and short irons, you have to rely on hand-eye corordination, which is no good.

You will also find that you can flip your hands rather well on a practice range after you "get warmed up", but chunk and thin everything on the course.

As I said - it is all about posture and leverage, you need to stay the reverse K position ALL THE TIME, not just at setup and something close to it at impact. The way to do this is to never ever "post up" on your right leg - keep it bent and allow it to move. You can see on your arse shot, you have locked and posted up on your right leg.

Biomechanics 101, any muscle that is locked out or straight cannot be used as a power source. You then have to add a move to unlock it and bend it so you can push off it. You do this by hunching and driving the legs to get some shape.

Posture and leverage - fix the origin first, then you have a stable postion at the top to just fire your shoulders through impact.

Scottt
14th February 2010, 08:08 AM
You're a f**king genius mate. Beers are on me when I get home.

virge666
14th February 2010, 12:09 PM
You're a f**king genius mate. Beers are on me when I get home.


Anytime...

zigwah
15th February 2010, 04:36 PM
interesting

virge666
15th February 2010, 05:07 PM
interesting


It should be for you... you NEVER maintain any kind of stable base and you rely on your hands to somehow get the club back square.

Which means some days - you "have it", some days you get frustrated cause you cannot hit the golf course.

I have said it many times... if you cannot get the setup posture and angles right, then you are never going to be consistant. You can screw around with positions at the top, and alignments and whatever else takes your fancy, but unless you can keep you base and body strong, you have to rely on your hands and that does not work.

Ask any of the lads on here who can play, watch them on TV, I speak the truth.

razaar
15th February 2010, 05:56 PM
Yep without a stable base and a good solid grip on the ground there is no chance of keeping the centre of your swing firmly fixed, which is one of the keys to consistency and power.

Sydney Hacker
16th February 2010, 09:20 AM
Fair call MT.

This one from St Mick's is a bit better. Posture has always been an issue. Ask Virge how bad it was way back when!

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6682/p1240925.jpg

Anyone else see a similarity with the Fishman in this pic ?

3oneday
16th February 2010, 09:25 AM
Fishy has more hair.




Just.

Sydney Hacker
16th February 2010, 09:25 AM
Fishy has more hair.




Just.

On his face maybe !

3oneday
16th February 2010, 09:58 AM
Best part of that pic is the SUMO 8)