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AndyP
18th February 2005, 12:03 PM
Which hole do you fear the most at your course?
The hole that seems to have a mental barrier you have trouble overcoming.
The hole that you step up to and wonder what the hell is going to happen this time.
This may not be the index 1 at your club, and may not necessarily be the hole that you have the most trouble with. It's the hole that you may have some confidence issues with.

Why does this hole trouble you? What grief has it caused you in the past?

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For me, it is the 14th hole at Nambour (Index 6).
It's a par 3, that usually has the tee markers placed between 170 and 180m, so in my opinion it's fairly long.
Although it plays slightly shorter as the tee shot is slightly downhill, with no danger in front of the green.

I would estimate that the green is about 10m wide by 15m long, so it's not a huge target.
There is a shallow trap on the right, and there's a metre drop around the back and sides of the green.

The killer for me is the cemetery (no pun intended), that is out-of-bounds on the right. It's something that is very intimidating from the tee area.
The OOB markers are only a few metres to the right of the tee box, and continues along the right side for the length of the hole, just passing the right hand side of the right trap. A small 1m wide drainage gully is just outside the line, and a line of trees just on the other side of that.
The gully won't put the ball back in play, but you make get lucky with one of the trees. But if it gets through the trees, you might see the ball get a bounce on the road and head up towards some graves.

The problem I have is that I slice the longer irons, and at 170m that's at least a 4 iron. I've seen many of my tee shots head OOB, and I think I might have even done it three times in a row once.
So now I find myself trying to counter this slice. I'll aim left (and stay there). I'll close the clubface. In fact last time I did both and found myself in the dam, short and left.
If I back myself and go at the flag now, I'm finding the resultant penalty from a bad shot is too great.

In desperation, I'm now considering the wuss option of running it into green, which the hole is quite open to. Just not sure that I can go through with it. It's either that, or try to take a bit off a 22° rescue shot.

I'm yet to birdie the hole. (Although I did have a putt for bird from 80cm [NTP] once. Doh!) And I still card 6s to 8s there sometimes. I would expect that I would have a very poor GIR % on the hole too.

I don't know if I hate the hole, but I can't help but worry every time I step onto the 14th tee.

Bruce
18th February 2005, 12:34 PM
For me its the 2nd at Mildura. Index #1. (http://www.milduragolfclub.com.au/holes.asp?id=2)

402m Par 4 with a dogleg to the right. The picture is taken from behind a guy who landed it in the right spot but I can never find it off the tee. The dogleg is at a fairly acute angle with deep trouble down the right for anyone trying to cut the corner. Having had to dig myself out of that too many times I now try erring to the left and keep finding myself going across the fairway and into the willows that line the left. I have *never* hit that GIR. I consider it a great day if I am putting for bogey on this hole.

BrisVegas
18th February 2005, 12:42 PM
For me it's the 2nd at Brookwater. It's over 400 metres and doglegs left to right . It's slightly uphill and you need to be at least 250m and left side of the fairway to have a shot at the green. The right side is blocked out by bush. The fairway feeds left to right, so it forces you to hit a draw to fight the hill. Assuming you find the fairway, you have to hit around a large "feature" tree in the middle of the fairway at around 100m out. All along the right side is a scrubby water hazard which is only metres from the green edge. The left side has deep bunkers and scrub. I've only hit it in regulation a couple of times and birdied it only once, in an ambrose. Strong hole. :shock:

Fishman Dan
18th February 2005, 12:50 PM
Casino's 4th - About 340m Par 4. Straight, veers to the left a little at about 100m from the hole. Looks simple from the tee.

The tee shot is over a pond (isn't in play), and the landing area is extremely wide. But you need to set yourself up for the 2nd shot - depending on distance is usually 7-iron to wedge. The green is stupidly narrow, much wider (maybe 10m?) and raised by about 5 feet at the back, with an algae filled creek 10 metres behind the end of the green. The left-side of the green is guarded by a large trap - which means you want to be right-side of the fairway off the tee or the trap is in play for your 2nd shot.

If you're in the right-rough off the tee, then you have some big gums to miss on your approach - overcook it and that bunker is back in play. To the right of the green is long grass/swales, so a miss that side isn't easy either. If you wind up in the trap, you have no shot other than to the back of the green because the front is so narrow - 2 metres at the front, and widens as it goes back? And being a country course, the quality of the trap can vary, and it's likely you'll have a gritty lie.

Speirsy11
18th February 2005, 12:52 PM
Thats easy.......Same hole on every course.....

19th

It gets me everytime....some worse then others, but I ALWAYS seem to make double bogey there.......

Speirsy11

AndyP
18th February 2005, 01:16 PM
For me it's the 2nd at Brookwater.
Any of the holes at City GC worry you, Vegas?


Bruce, are you from the Mildura area?
edit: Just noticed that your parents are up there. I'll be visiting mine in Swan Hill this year. Have you played Murray Downs before?

BrisVegas
18th February 2005, 01:18 PM
For me it's the 2nd at Brookwater.
Any of the holes at City GC worry you, Vegas?


Yeah, the 1st. Nearly always bogey it, or worse...

Ona
18th February 2005, 01:42 PM
6th - rated 3. HATE this hole :x double it 20% of the time and never birdie the bugger

short, 323m, par 4 with a fall all the way along the left side. one tree on the left of the ball swallowing kind at about 160-170 from the tree. fairway narrows (trees) at about 220 and the green is kidney shaped with a bunker in the gap on the right. everything feeds to the left off the bunker and into the valley. the opening to the green is about 4m wide with the fall about 2m off the left edge.

I usually play something like 4i - 91. you can leak the tee shot right, but then you have to clear a very tall tree and your angle to the green is terrible. pull the tee shot left and it'll either be stuck in a tree or if you clear that, it will up the ass of another. the tee box slopes so that for a right hander the ball is above your feet, for me making a draw almost inevitable and a hook likely. the fairway kicks your ball left so if you land in the middle somewhere it usually ends up left side, which is definitely a better angle to come in from. the quality of the grass on the left doesn't make the next any easier.

the second shot is the killer for me. Im no good at the fade ball, so usually my shots hit the green and kick left into the valley, from there you have to try to run it up the slope, through the rough and under some trees. the pin is usually on the left near the front, hardly ever behind the bunker, which is where I'd always aim if I had any discipline. I am starting to get better at erring long, but with my little draw still ends up left on most occasions.

did I mention I HATE THIS HOLE :x

Trung
18th February 2005, 01:44 PM
The 2nd hole at my course.

Length 408m without a single bunker... I'm averaging more than 5.4 with gametrack :oops:

http://img170.exs.cx/img170/6299/20cb.jpg

Need to hit 230+ with a right to left tee shot. Anything right is in the trees as the fairway feeds down to the right.

Bruce
18th February 2005, 02:53 PM
For me it's the 2nd at Brookwater.
Any of the holes at City GC worry you, Vegas?


Bruce, are you from the Mildura area?
edit: Just noticed that your parents are up there. I'll be visiting mine in Swan Hill this year. Have you played Murray Downs before?

Minor thread jack.

Mildura is definitely "home" for me. I grew up playing on there. Dad is a former President. Mum and Dad now live backing onto the 5th fairway.

Never played at any Swan Hill courses. It's a 2.5 hour drive from Swan Hill to Mildura. Everyone just assumes they are down the road from each other.

AndyP
18th February 2005, 02:59 PM
Never played at any Swan Hill courses. It's a 2.5 hour drive from Swan Hill to Mildura. Everyone just assumes they are down the road from each other.
I knew it was a bit of a drive. Just like it will be a bit of a drive, if I want to play some of the other nice courses along the Murray.
I might start a thread on the Murray courses when it gets closer to my Vic holiday.

Jarro
18th February 2005, 03:06 PM
i always seem to have trouble with our 12th hole ... a Par 5.

It has OOB all down the left side .. and trees all down the right, making a straight tee shot the only way to play.It also has a creek that runs across it at about 300 meters .... so if you don't get a good tee shot away, you still have the creek to get across.

Standing on the tee it doesn't look THAT difficult, but i always seem to find a way to screw it up :oops:

McMw
18th February 2005, 03:36 PM
stats wise, it's the 8th (index1)
that's prob becoz I can either slice it onto the road oobs, or hook it into the range oobs...

but it's a straight away par4...not too long...
good drive and a 6/7/8 iron in most time...

probably the 16th, (index 16 - yeah right)...
230yard par3...always with trailing left to right wind or headwind...
not easy to hit the green...and many members have to take driver off the tee...

I can play all the holes well, so not really a problem...
just on that day... :lol:

Jarro
18th February 2005, 03:41 PM
probably the 16th, (index 16 - yeah right)...
230yard par3..

Mau ....

.. are the distances at your course done in yards or meters :?:

McMw
18th February 2005, 03:56 PM
yards, and we're the only one in Brunei that does it...

I think the committe are hung up on the fact that we're the shortest club in brunei, and so by switching over to yards, that it gives the perception that's it's not a short course...

having said that, with several par4s at over and close to 400yards, and two unreachable par5s (I've only hit the 4th 3 times)...

terryand
18th February 2005, 04:02 PM
I wouldn't say I fear any holes at Windaroo.

But there are a couple that seem to have me stumped ATM.

The 1st a par 5....keep pulling it OB.

The 2nd par 4 400ish.....see above.

And the 16th for obvious reason.... for those that know the hole,no more needed saying :wink:

Terry.

markTHEblake
18th February 2005, 05:29 PM
This is brilliant stuff. Cant wait to play with you blokes at your home course, or indeed any course.

like "Hey Andy, this looks just like the 14th at Nambour dont you think?"

jimandr
18th February 2005, 06:01 PM
As MarkTHEblake has hinted, the last thing we should be doing is reinforcing our fears and insecurities by writing them down.

I don't need to recognise my greatest weakness of the long par 3 with trouble on the left side. It used to be the 3rd at Port Kembla, then the 11th at New Brighton, the 13th at Rosnay, and now its the 16th at Camden Valley. It's rated number 7, but I'm sure I've recorded more doubles than at any other hole. i have seriously considered laying up with a wedge to stay away from the left side hazard. My main tactic at the moment is to take enough club to clear it, then hope to hold the back edge if I fluke a straight one.

AndyP
18th February 2005, 07:17 PM
As MarkTHEblake has hinted, the last thing we should be doing is reinforcing our fears and insecurities by writing them down.
I'm writing my fear down so I can confront it.
I'll now leave this fear in cyberspace, and never have a problem with the hole again.

Was that believable?

cazandpaul
19th February 2005, 07:34 AM
The 10th (index 1) at Burleigh is a 418m par 4 off the blues (usually plays just over 400). If you get a good drive away you may get a kick off a downslope and leave a shorter iron in - if your drive is a little off you pitch into an upslope leaving a much longer second to a well protected green with only a narrow entrance.

Huge green (maybe 2-3 clubs) so hitting the green does not ensure a 2 putt.

Happy with a 5 here anytime especially if its the first hole of the day.

Onewood
19th February 2005, 08:19 AM
Lately for me it's any 18th hole :cry: I tend to finish with double bogey a lot on all courses :roll:

AndyP
15th August 2006, 11:33 PM
For me, it is the 14th hole at Nambour (Index 6).
It's a par 3, that usually has the tee markers placed between 170 and 180m, so in my opinion it's fairly long.
When I played there on Saturday, I saw the new tee complex that they are setting up for this hole. They've taken it back into the trees and from the back markers, it will now measure at 195m. Gulp!
It will be ready for the Town of Nambour Open.

FWIW I don't recall hitting it OOB on this hole recently.

Coffs_Hacker
16th August 2006, 07:06 AM
In Coffs the par3 19th 205 from whites 215 from blues, creek 5mts from the front of the green, bunkers left and right of the green and a drop off past it, don't think i have ever made par

Trung
16th August 2006, 08:22 AM
"white hairy legs"... Those are Jarros.. :mrgreen:

http://www.humoronline.com/weird-news-pictures/fat-woman-sex.jpg

TS
16th August 2006, 08:38 AM
In Coffs the par3 19th 205 from whites 215 from blues, creek 5mts from the front of the green, bunkers left and right of the green and a drop off past it, don't think i have ever made par

Coffs. I agree with you on that Par 3 in Coffs Harbour. I thought about laying up short of the creek, but then decided to take the green on and make double.

Jarro
16th August 2006, 08:48 AM
i dunno Trung, they look like a scrawny pair of Asian legs to me :p


Jono perhaps ;)

chappy1970
16th August 2006, 11:43 AM
Potentially the A-hole, playing golf at Southern GC the night after a dodgey curry.


Sorry.............

Grunt
16th August 2006, 04:10 PM
Well @ Macarthur Grange I dont have a feared hole but I have a bogie hole. My bogie hole is the 11th a hole that requires the fairway hit with a longish iron then played to an elevated green that involves a water carry for the 1st part of the shot. It is not that hard a hole but I seem to find ways of stuffing it up :) Oh well that is my tough hole.
I will add a Bathurst Hole without doubt once I play there.

AndyP
16th August 2006, 04:17 PM
But do you stand on the tee and think, what the hell am I going to shoot on this hole today?

Interested in hearing other's feared holes now that I've bumped this thread.

BrisVegas
16th August 2006, 06:26 PM
Mine was the 2nd at Brooky, but I've parred it the last couple of times I played so I have figured that one out. Just gotta trust myself on the second shot and fire at the flag. "There is no water short & right, there is no water short & right....."

My latest nemesis is the 15th at Brookwater. It's a longish par 4 dogleg right with a lateral water hazard along the left (outside) edge of the fairway. It requires a faded 3 wood or driver to hold the fairway. Last 3 times I played it, it's been left in the hazard, left in the junk before the hazard and way right in the junk (attempted fade!). Double bogeys each time.... I think I might try a 3 iron or hybrid next time I play and resolve to come into the green with a longer club, rather than trying to get too cute.

Moe Norman
16th August 2006, 06:52 PM
i don't think I've ever made a 4 on the first at brooky despite being centre fairway every time I've played it.

raidrboy
16th August 2006, 07:08 PM
My nemisis is the 17th at Wodonga a 350 metre par 4. It has OOB down the left side and the landing area for tee shots (for me) is about 15/20 metres wide. From the centre of the fairway it slopes away sharply left to right to a rather steep drop into a water hazard from which there is little chance of recovery. The second shot is to a fair size green below the fairway level with bunkers front left and right and sloped from back to front. If you come up short when the pin is located back right which it always seems to be you have a 25/30 foot uphill putt which is much better than being too long as the area behind the green drops away to the sticks, snakes and that damn same water hazard that runs down the right side of the fairway. It is rated the 3rd easiest hole on the course but does it give me some grief.

Ducky
16th August 2006, 08:53 PM
Any hole that I know a random snap hook could kill someone. So basically, all of them.

Jono
17th August 2006, 06:02 AM
Moe, left on the 1st at Brooky is dead. With your tendency to hook, it might be playing on your mind? I've been caught in the "valley of sin" in front of the green with my approach last couple of times.

Brisvegas, I agree about the 2nd. Tough tee shot especially so learly in the round. And for the second, you not only have to contend with the water, but that bloody tree as well. I think the best I've done there so far is a bogey. :(

Jono
17th August 2006, 06:04 AM
i dunno Trung, they look like a scrawny pair of Asian legs to me :p


Jono perhaps ;)

No hair on my legs ... 8)

Trung
17th August 2006, 06:13 AM
I knew it..... Jono is a she-male :mrgreen:

Jarro
17th August 2006, 07:06 AM
I knew it..... Jono is a she-male :mrgreen:

so THAT'S why you're so interested in him :-s

Trung
17th August 2006, 08:17 AM
Want to join My B*tch list Jarro? :-P

miro
17th August 2006, 09:10 AM
Mine is our 11th hole -a Par 5 that is simply unreachable in 2 which you would think would make the second shot simple especially given that I constantly f..k this hole up i.e. lay up to a wedge in -that can't bre that hard can it????

So the second shot requires you to hit anything from a 7 iron to a 3 wood depending on how you are feeling -the 7 iron leaves you 150-160 in and the 3 wood something less than a sandwedge.

So let me describe the second shot -the hole gently bends left and all the way down the leftside is a hazard. On the right hand side is a very large tree that blocks any shot to the green from about 120 or more out which is on the right side of the fairway. About 150 short of the green is a large rise/mound which crosses the entire fairway. After this mound the fairway narrows considerably. So your choice is hit a 7 iron short of the big swale into the wide part of the fairway leaving 150-160 in. Hit a longer iron over the swale into the narrowest part of the fairway leaving a short iron in. BUT all the while aware of the hazard on the left which often leads you to block your shots -which end up blocking your approach to the green behind the big tree.

I have been a member at this course for 4 years and I still have no idea what to do with this shot. I suppose this a great example of a very well designed hole -but boy does it frustrate me!

brad
17th August 2006, 01:08 PM
I haven't played at my new club (Bathurst) so at the moment fear free.

I am sure that the next time I play Mac Grange I'll be sweating on my approach to the 6th green where I managed to have 3 shots up hill at 50-80 metres just because the ball wouldn't stay on the green :(

Maybe I'll just show it who's boss next time :)

BrisVegas
17th August 2006, 01:19 PM
Moe, left on the 1st at Brooky is dead. With your tendency to hook, it might be playing on your mind? I've been caught in the "valley of sin" in front of the green with my approach last couple of times.


Half of the trouble with the first hole is remembering to leave the driver in the bag. Even from the black tees, it's safer to use a 3 wood and take the bunkers out of play. I've been in that "Valley of Sin" off the tee before and never managed to make par! :oops:

From the gold tees last week, I thinned a 3 wood that finished up in the mayor's office, 115m out. Easy 9 iron in to the heart of the green. Move on.

Moe Norman
17th August 2006, 01:40 PM
you guys must have missed the part where I said I've been centre fairway every time I've played the first at Brooky - but still never made 4.

Last 3 games there I have nailed driver with a nice little draw to be 8 iron or less each time for my approach. I've skulled it into the scrub beihind once, dumped a wedge in the front right bunker another time, and not sure what I did the other time as I was already wondering if I'd be able to get up & down ;)

Dion, I think it's very much a driver hole, bugger the three wood!

BrisVegas
17th August 2006, 01:42 PM
you'll be right Moe once you get that new Titleist 3 wood in the bag. Best club I own these days...

Ducky
17th August 2006, 06:08 PM
I haven't played at my new club (Bathurst) so at the moment fear free.
Fear the fact that anytime you miss the fairway slightly you're behind trees with no shot outside of 100m. Or that the wind can gust around like it's St Andrews. Okay yeah, I'm a little bitter right now.

brad
21st August 2006, 01:33 PM
Lucky I can slice or hook the ball at right angles at the moment ... though not by choice :)

connico
21st August 2006, 02:19 PM
I dont fear any hole , i just play the game and hope i dont make a 10 from the tee....

fat chance....every game iv basically played iv had atleast a 10 in one of the holes!!! its a real bitch!

Courty
21st August 2006, 02:20 PM
For me, it's currently (and has been for a while) the 9th hole at Cairns GC.
It's 364m from the comp tees, dog-leg right to elevated green surrounded by deep bunkers. The tee shot is a difficult one with a large fig tree just in front of the tee protecting a shot over the corner. You are forced to aim at the end of the 50m long bunker on the left side of the elbow and fade it back to the fairway. For me (stock low draw), this causes all sorts of problems. I seem to be able to fade my irons easily enough, but not driver. One of 3 things usually happens, attempting a non-preferred fade, I either block it too far right and end up in the tree line, I hit it straight to the left side rough (best outcome) or I completely balls it up and hook it over the left-side bunker and into or over the 8ft deep drain that lines the entire left side of the hole. A safer option might be a shorter club off the tee and go over the fig tree, but that then brings the left-side bunker into play and also leaves you with a 180-200m shot into a long & narrow green guarded by 4 bunkers and a huge f#$%-off tree which is positioned on the inside of the slight crescent shape of the green. You really need to be playing a short iron to the green to get it to hold. Anything longer than an 8 iron probably won't have enough spin to stop quickly and will run off the side into a bunker or over the back and down the 3m slope into thick buffalo rough. The green has 3 tiers, the most accessible of which is the front section which also happens to be the narrowest (approx. 5m) with bunkers either side. A pin placed further back is almost impossible to attack as the big tree hangs over the green protecting it from a high lob. A flatter trajectory will get under the tree, but is a gamble as to whether it will hold the green or catch a contour and roll off. Once on the green, it is no more difficult to putt on than any other holes on the course, but getting there is the problem.
The 9th is stroke index 10, which probably indicates that not everyone has the problems that I do on this hole. For me, it would have to be one of the 3 most difficult holes on the course.
This bloody hole gives me the s#$%s. 3 of the last 6 rounds I have made birdie there, but standing on that tee still scares me more than any other.

BrisVegas
21st August 2006, 02:43 PM
that hole sounds like the 7th at Middle Ridge! Except ridge has no fairway or greenside bunkers whatsover.... still a bugger of a hole though...

AndyP
21st August 2006, 03:08 PM
Courty, I think you could improve your golf game by buying a chainsaw.

Courty
21st August 2006, 03:19 PM
Courty, I think you could improve your golf game by buying a chainsaw.

Don't worry, AndyP. I'm not the first person who has been tempted to carry a syringe filled with round-up in my golf bag. :evil:

990B Luva
22nd August 2006, 10:50 AM
i dont have a feared hole at Jindo, but i fear my snap cut :)

shavey
23rd August 2006, 05:15 PM
Lakelands 17th 210m par 3 to an elevated green over water to a back left pin position with bunkers protecting the left side. Usually plays into a cross or side wind. Index rating of 3.

The 18th par 4 plays 414m into cross wind with OB all the way left, water all the way right and our own little valley of sin left of the green. With a back right pin position, you have to hit a long iron over the greenside trap right to get it close. Index rating of 1

Two great holes to finish your round

Ducky
23rd August 2006, 06:57 PM
Don't worry, AndyP. I'm not the first person who has been tempted to carry a syringe filled with round-up in my golf bag.
How is getting wasted going to help the situation?

;)

BrisVegas
24th August 2006, 07:00 AM
Lakelands 17th 210m par 3 to an elevated green over water to a back left pin position with bunkers protecting the left side. Usually plays into a cross or side wind. Index rating of 3.

shavey - you pussy. :-P Just stick a 4 iron in there nice and close, below the hole! I 'll show you how it's done next time we play. :lol: :lol:



The 18th par 4 plays 414m into cross wind with OB all the way left, water all the way right and our own little valley of sin left of the green. With a back right pin position, you have to hit a long iron over the greenside trap right to get it close. Index rating of 1

Agreed. Bastard of a hole. I keep going OOB on the damn thing.:-x

Ducky
24th August 2006, 06:35 PM
Well after careful consideration it is the 15th hole (Par 5, 525M, Index 11/29). The driving area at 280-300m narrows significantly, water on the left, out of bounds on the right.

Now, usually I play this hole okay, but in the last three rounds I have hit it out of bounds (much to the delight of playing partners who are convinced its going to smash into a car windscreen).

So we've got water, out of bounds, and a narrow driving area. In addition to this, balls also disappear into thin air when you hit them in the middle of the fairway.

I was pretty confident I could save par after hitting my provisional straight down the middle. However, upon reaching the bottom (it goes down hill and then back up again) it has disappeared somehow and I have lost two Titleist Pro V1s in the space of two shots.

Great day had by all.

:|

Speirsy11
30th August 2006, 06:07 PM
At my home course in WA the most feared hole for me is the first......Because playing it means I have 17 more to go at that dump......

Yes, I'm bitter today......