2010 AFL Season

[AndyP]

I think Grant Thomas is a tool of the highest order, but I can't disagree with his opinion on the farcical AFL fixture.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/grant-thomas-says-integrity-forgotten-in-afl-draw/story-e6frf9ix-1225789585122

That's without mentioning the rigging of the draw to ensure that Carlton-Collingwood-Essendon all play each other twice, plus the Showdown/Derby matches.

It's less random than an OZgolf major draw.

[just]

Go Swannies!!!! Thought I'd get in early.

[Bruce]

It must be October - time for the draw equity articles to come out.

I hate it but I have burned up all my rage in the last decade - I can't get worked up over it this year as much as previous years.

[Chris32]

Its true but without having each team play each other twice it all comes down to what the AFL want.

I'm sure Collingwood will top the list of Friday night/home games again

[WBennett]

The AFL have never shyed away from their stated goal of maximising attendances.

Showdowns are the only way Port and Freo can ever draw a crowd, so they play twice. 'Controversy' games such as (this year) Richmond and West Coast happen each and every year.

And the big 4 - Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon (and somehow Richmond) all play each other twice. 60,000 at each of those games.

Until each team plays each other twice as a home and away fixture in a 30 round comp, thedraw is never going to be even.

[AndyP]

Unless they play each other once, especially when there is 18 teams, but the AFL will never want to miss out on 5 weeks extra cash.

[WBennett]

If they play each other once, its still imbalanced - home and away is only the truly balanced way to do it.

[markTHEblake]

I'm sure Collingwood will top the list of Friday night/home games again

I know some people like to beleive stuff like that is true, but it is not. If Colliingwood or any of the other 'crowd pulling sides' do not perform they get outed for the next season of prime time games.

OTOH it would have been 2007 that Collingwood played very few Friday night games for that reason.

[Fishman Dan]

If they play each other once, its still imbalanced - home and away is only the truly balanced way to do it.

Considering half the teams are co-tenants, there's no point. So for that matter, there's no wonder the AFL does what it can to maximise cash. After all, we're supporters of a business, right? :roll:

Let's just be thankful New Ltd don't own half the comp.

[markTHEblake]

wait for another 2 years, then there will be 18 teams. They will be whinging even worse then.

[Moe Norman]

RIP

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:m5zt4nKtIB4lzM:http://images.4bc.com.au/2008/08/27/191252/Brisbane%2520Lions.jpg

[Bruce]

I guess Fitzroy might have done the same thing if they were still around but it is a bit of a shame to see it go.

Carn the Gorillas - or Maroons

[ozdevil]

Until each team plays each other twice as a home and away fixture in a 30 round comp, thedraw is never going to be even.

while i agree with you there this is where lies the problem for the afl to extend it to a 30 round comp or 40 round comp if there was 20 teams in etc

The problem is stadiums in where to host these matches

The MCG the Afl can not use it until after the cricket season and the afl must have finished before October due to the cricket...

They will not move the Afl grandfinal from the MCG they need that for the crowd capacity

Sydney cricket ground would be used as well at the start of the Season and end of season with cricket so Afl wouldnt be allowed to be played

Gabba same deal

Even if they got rid of the micky mouse comp before the premiership season they would be struggling to get the venues

but its going come down to each team only playing once when 20 team comp is introduced anyway

[Moe Norman]

I guess Fitzroy might have done the same thing if they were still around but it is a bit of a shame to see it go.

Carn the Gorillas - or Maroons


doubt it.

This is an absolute disgrace, an iconic and historical logo changed.

Fitroy fans will be gutted

[WBennett]

RIP

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:m5zt4nKtIB4lzM:http://images.4bc.com.au/2008/08/27/191252/Brisbane%2520Lions.jpg

What the? Has Fev trashed the brand that badly already that they are changing the club logo?

[AndyP]

Yes, what the? I can't find anything on the news sites about what you are referring to.

[Moe Norman]

http://www.lions.com.au/portals/0/images_brisbane_lions/newsletter/newlogo-n5.jpg

http://www.lions.com.au/portals/0/images_brisbane_lions/newsletter/newlogo-n7.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2jdrh45.jpg

[markTHEblake]

Yes, what the? I can't find anything on the news sites about what you are referring to.

same here, as usual, what the heck is Moe talking about

i looked at www.afl.com.au, the story is there. Not a bad site too, you should bookmark it.

[ozdevil]

this might answer the question of the lions new change

http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/86287/default.aspx

[Moe Norman]

you blokes are pathetic detectives

a new logo for a new era

http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/86287/default.aspx

Michael Bowers is a tool

[AndyP]

i looked at www.afl.com.au (http://www.afl.com.au), the story is there. Not a bad site too, you should bookmark it.It's not on their main page, but only on the Lions site. I thought it might be a headline.

The AFL website stinks thanks to Telstra. I visit the Herald Sun and RealFooty pages before going there.
The best club page is Essendon's because they went it alone.

[Bruce]

doubt it.

This is an absolute disgrace, an iconic and historical logo changed.

Fitroy fans will be gutted

We had one lady at the nursing home I worked at in High School who hadn't made the switch to the Lions from the Gorillas. She still had a Gorillas scarf and pennant which I imagine would be worth a pretty penny these days. This was in the late '80s and I think they changed to the Lions in the '50s.

At least they have the VAFA D grade side to console them now....

[Moe Norman]

there could be legal proceedings with this one.


Article 7.2 from the merger agreement:

c) The logo of the merged club will be the Fitzroy lion logo in perpetuity;

Perpetuity can be defined as "Time without end; eternity."

[Chris32]

That new logo is shameful!

[Pieface]

Gak! That logo is a shocker :shock:

[3oneday]

Yep, terrible news.

[mike]

That does look pretty tacky.

[bag_of_ants]

lions fans are not happy at all over on bigfooty

[Minor_Threat]

Yep very ordinary indeed..

**** I am happy / glad the Dogs didnt fold all those years ago!

[markTHEblake]

Real footy clubs don't change their logo's or jumpers.

[WBennett]

MTB

Collingwood changed our jumper for the 09 season....

[Moe Norman]

still black & white stripes though mate

[markTHEblake]

Black and White stripes for 120 years. We aint selling out our heritage :-)

Admittedly Carlton had to whore themselves out, they were almost broke. Then again, so were we in 86ish to the tune of $4M and not too flash before era-eddie, and we still didnt.

[AndyP]

Make up your mind. Is it same jumper? Or same colours and pattern?

[WBennett]

The collar changed and the side panel changed for the 09 season - both for the worse.

You can't go calling a jumper sacrosanct then toy around with it to increase sales for your merchandise supplier.

ps - Every club should have a home and away jumper. If its good enough for Man U, Real Madrid, Inter etc, its good enough for Collingwood.

[markTHEblake]

AP, you know exactly what i am saying. :-)


ps - Every club should have a home and away jumper. If its good enough for Man U, Real Madrid, Inter etc, its good enough for Collingwood.

Collingwood does have an away jumper - and it is significantly different to the home one, and there are no clashes.
An away jumper does not have to be Vision golf ball yellow.

[BrisWesty]

Heck, Brisbane might as well have brought back their killer koala if they were coming up with a new logo/mascot.
Poor form, gentlemen.
Blakey, if they made away jumpers from the vision yellow material, it would be pretty slippery to tackle wouldn't it?

[Moe Norman]

The collar changed and the side panel changed for the 09 season - both for the worse.
it's blakc & white stripes, just a new material and new product to print our stripes on


You can't go calling a jumper sacrosanct then toy around with it to increase sales for your merchandise supplier. It's black and white stripes, now on a new product. Like a gold wallabies jersey is vastly different from what they wore in 84 with technology and now being skin tight, but its still gold.


ps - Every club should have a home and away jumper. If its good enough for Man U, Real Madrid, Inter etc, its good enough for Collingwood. We have an away jumper, and those are bad examples you have used. Advertising billboards, not club jumpers.

[WBennett]

Thommo

https://console.clubsonline.com.au/shopproducts/images/thumbnail/leon%28180%29.jpg

I can compare this jumper to the 4 other Collingwood jumpers I own. Each of these differ only in the sponsorship/manufacturer. Two are white on black, two are black on white.

The 09 jumper had a stupid neck piec for wiping snot on, and the bottom of the jumper had the stripes tapering in. Each was a variation on what Eddie had called sacred. You can't go calling out all and sundry about your traidtional jumper, then go and whore off aspects of your 'tradition' for $.

Don't get me started on the Wallaby jumper. Its a complete f**king disgrace. The 84 Wallaby jumper is a Wallaby jumper. The crap they have worn for the last decade or so have been very poor representations. Do you see the All Blacks or Springboks making wholesale changes to their tops every second season?

[markTHEblake]

You cant be serious?

changing the collar is not whoring off tradition. Black and White stripes is unchanged for 120 years. Who cares if the thickness of stripes has varied.

Thats nothing compared to PA, Freo, Westcoast - I couldnt even tell you what their jumpers looked like, and lets not even mention the M&M Blues.

[Yossarian]

Collingwood are ghey.

[WBennett]

MTB

I am serious. The 09 jumper redesign pissed me off. You can't go calling 'tradition tradition' then screw around with the design every year or two, even if its tinkering at the edges.

The blow in clubs such as West Coast, Freo etc have no tradition, but don't claim to be bigger than the game either.

ps - Yossie is ghey

[Yossarian]

3 premierships since 1987 for the eagles how many have the pies got ;) Maybe the jumper does need some changes...

[zigwah]

AHHHHHHHH Collingwood we love to be hated!!!!!!

who cares about Wet toasts premierships they will be forever tainted.

If everyone let aside we hate Collingwood, We are a proud club, we have a massive supporter base, everyone bitches about losing cash on some pubs, but they still go to the games, We get the biggest crowd avgs every year.

We are innovators, who other than Eddie could have got Malthouse to agree to when his time will be over, wether he wins a premiership or not.

Half you blokes are just upset you were brainwashed as youngsters and didn't have the chance to barrack for the mighty pies.

Everyone bags Eddie, deep down inside you wish your president had what Eddie has.

:):):)

[zigwah]

3 premierships since 1987 for the eagles how many have the pies got ;) Maybe the jumper does need some changes...

Lets see how many premierships you have after 100 years, then, we can talk :mrgreen:

[zacdullard]

We are innovators, who other than Eddie could have got Malthouse to agree to when his time will be over, wether he wins a premiership or not.

Half you blokes are just upset you were brainwashed as youngsters and didn't have the chance to barrack for the mighty pies.

Everyone bags Eddie, deep down inside you wish your president had what Eddie has.

:):):)
Zig I thougt you were giving up alcohol?

[Yossarian]

How are all WCE premierships tainted? 1992 and 1994 as well?

Lets see how many premierships Collingwood win travelling every second week. That is not a bitch about the fixtures, there is no other way they could work. But travel makes those eagles premierships all the tougher IMO.

[zigwah]

What? You thought i was always drunk when i was on here? :) Don't believe the hype young fella :)

[zacdullard]

Other teams have to travel over to Perth so the eagles play a team who have traveled a great distance every home game almost. This evens it out doesn't it?

[Yossarian]

No because those teams only do it once a year. The eagles in the 90's travelled every second week. Obviously the melbourne teams do not have to do this.

[zacdullard]

I assumed that you were drunk when you said that we were brainwashed into being anti-collingwood. I always thought that you had to be brain washed to like collingwood.

[Moe Norman]

Thommo



Don't get me started on the Wallaby jumper. Its a complete f**king disgrace. The 84 Wallaby jumper is a Wallaby jumper. The crap they have worn for the last decade or so have been very poor representations. Do you see the All Blacks or Springboks making wholesale changes to their tops every second season?

Actually, the All Blacks jumper and Springbok jumpers are also now very different, by your definition. If you think that Collingwood jumper, with black and white stripes, is so different to our other jumpers, with black and white stripes - then you need to check the current model AB and SB jumper compared to their 87 and 95 World Cup winning jumpers respectively.

you are seriously delusional

[zigwah]

How are all WCE premierships tainted? 1992 and 1994 as well?

Lets see how many premierships Collingwood win travelling every second week. That is not a bitch about the fixtures, there is no other way they could work. But travel makes those eagles premierships all the tougher IMO.

Collingwood has a pretty good on the road record. probably better than wet toast lately.

How do you think all that stuff got past Woosha?

[zacdullard]

Then the eagle would be somewhat use to the traveling. For the victorian clubs it would be being taken out of their usual comfort zone.

Who knows though, I guess I will have to wait till I get drafted to find out;)

[Yossarian]

Collingwood has a pretty good on the road record. probably better than wet toast lately.

How do you think all that stuff got past Woosha?


You count one game a season as a "on the road" record?

We can go into all the drug shit zigwah if you really want but its not worth it.

[Yossarian]

Then the eagle would be somewhat use to the traveling. For the victorian clubs it would be being taken out of their usual comfort zone.

Who knows though, I guess I will have to wait till I get drafted to find out;)


You don't get used to the travel from all reports.

[zigwah]

I assumed that you were drunk when you said that we were brainwashed into being anti-collingwood. I always thought that you had to be brain washed to like collingwood.

I love the Collingwood Football Club and will continue to love them till the day i die, that can't be said for all the current clubs

[markTHEblake]

No because those teams only do it once a year. The eagles in the 90's travelled every second week..

fair enough.

The eagles get 10 home ground advantages every year, the Melbourne teams get 3 or 4.

So whoopie doo dah - it evens up.

[Yossarian]

fair enough.

The eagles get 10 home ground advantages every year, the Melbourne teams get 3 or 4.

So whoopie doo dah.


Bullshit every game a melbourne team plays in melbourne is a home game. Except when Collingwood is playing because then all your bogan fans buy all the tickets. :wink:

[zigwah]

You count one game a season as a "on the road" record?

We can go into all the drug shit zigwah if you really want but its not worth it.

One game a season lol, i don't really want to

[zacdullard]

Except when Collingwood is playing because then all your bogan fans buy all the tickets. :wink:
I thought most of their fans got free tickets when they picked up their weekly check from Centerlink.

[markTHEblake]

The eagles get 10 home ground advantages every year, the Melbourne teams get 3 or 4.

I typed that slowly because I know you cant read fast, but you still stuffed it up.


Bullshit every game a melbourne team plays in melbourne is a home game.

I never said it wasnt a home game. Read it again - obviously there is NO home ground ADVANTAGE when both teams are playing at home.

[Yossarian]

Semantics. I care not for them. I am not sure that the advantage equals out the travel. But meh. Collingwood are grubs.

[zigwah]

GAME OVER

[markTHEblake]

Semantics. I care not for them.

You cant fool anyone with that line, you screwed up and you know it.

West Coast had a massive advantage over teams travelling accross the country once a year to play them. Obviously your mob figured out how to deal with the effects quickly, its taken the rest of the league about 20 years to figure it out.

[AndyP]

Zig, you are from an age where you think everyone is against Collingwood because of their great success. Let me tell you that their success is pretty non-existent these days. I have no huge bias against Collingwood like some people do. Maybe it's a Melbourne thing, but they are not my most hated team.

It's the arrogance of thinking that they are so great and that the world is against them, that is so annoying.

[Yossarian]

You cant fool anyone with that line, you screwed up and you know it.

West Coast had a massive advantage over teams travelling accross the country once a year to play them. Obviously your mob figured out how to deal with the effects quickly, its taken the rest of the league about 20 years to figure it out.


Guilty as charged. Happy now? :wink:

[markTHEblake]

It's the arrogance of thinking that they are so great and that the world is against them, that is so annoying.

Its a truth claim, there is nothing arrogant about that bit at all, Collingwood is simply the greatest footy club in the land.


Yossarian, It would have been more fun if you dragged it on but more, but the old travelling issue is a dinosaur now. I dunno what everyone has done to cope though, would be interesting to find out. I could then apply that to long road trips for golf, like one hour drives away

[Bruce]

Its a truth claim, there is nothing arrogant about that bit at all, Collingwood is simply the greatest footy club in the land.


Well played sir!

There was a time when "Magpie Chief Lashes Out" was a regular back page headline. Back in the days of MacAllister and (the other one). Eddie has been well and truly eclipsed by Jeff on that score now.

[AndyP]

What makes a club the greatest then? Not premierships obviously.

[zigwah]

It's the vibe of the thing :) the whole package. One of the greatest things i have ever felt is the roar when the pies win with a crowd of 60+ thousand it's a beautiful thing, that the Pies Do on a semi regular Basis.

We may have 1 premiership in 50 years, but if that happens at other clubs the fans turn away, we have had lean years before, and will have them again but historically we are winners, we love to win and hate to lose passionately.

[Sydney Hacker]

So when you say "historically we are winners" you are speaking about ancient history ? Because I am sure you said earlier you had only won 1 flag in 50 years...

[Moe Norman]

What makes a club the greatest then? Not premierships obviously.

enjoyment for the fans, a club that has won more games than any other, played in 77 finals series and 40 grand finals. Sure there is sadness when we lose grand finals - but those sort of numbers generate more enjoyment for fans than any other, and the fact that we refused to sell out when buying premierships was the rage in the 70's and 80's and by the time we caught on it was too late!

greatest club on earth.

[Pieface]

Until you see a grannie spit on someone you haven't lived! Carn the Pies :wink::lol:

Teams that keep their fans have a few things in common IMO

They are hard at the ball
They stick up for each other in a stoush
They don't throw in the towel even when they are copping a hiding

It's tribal stuff like that that gets you through the lean times success wise.

As a dedicated West Coast fan it's a shame I can't say my team has always flown the flag in this way.

[markTHEblake]

What makes a club the greatest then?
the fact that despite everyone supposedly hates them, they are still the most talked about club in the land.

Take this thread for example, how much of it is just about Collingwood.

[Minor_Threat]

I dont give a **** about Collingwood!

There is nothing more enjoyable then beating them or watching someone else beat them! The arrogance they have is astounding considering they have 1 premiership in the last 50 years.. That stat will read 1 from 51 after 2010 also.

[zigwah]

How many premierships have the bullies won again?

[Yossarian]

So it is about the premierships now zig? ;)

[Minor_Threat]

How many premierships have the bullies won again?One mate (1954).. Thats one less than "The Scum" in the last 55 years.

[kingslayer33]

See below for 2010 draw in excel format.

Better version than poxy Telstra AFL website I reckon.


http://www.theage.com.au/ed_docs/2010-AFL-fixture.xls

[AndyP]

No Hawks in Brisbane for the second year in a row. :( And that's after I had seen them for 15 consecutive season at the Gabba.

There is definitely a Melbourne Trip on the cards now. I won't be able to handle not seeing them live two years in a row.
The Collingwood (MCG), North (Tassie), Essendscum (MCG) trifecta looks very juicy.

[markTHEblake]

Interesting draft today.

Luke Ball wanted out of Stkilda in trade week, Collingwood offered Pick 25, and then Pick 30 and Tyson Goldsack, and St Kilda refused.

So Ball enters the draft, and puts a $1M 2year price on himself, and Collingwood picks him up with Pick 30. and St Kilda got nothing for a 25yo!

Thats got to be the highest pick a high profile player has ever gone for I think. Most clubs couldnt afford him though, and the rest opted for youth.

So Collingwood despite having no early picks, get Luke Ball and Darren Jolly, no major losses through retirements this year or even the next 2, and a young list so well placed for the next few years.

Surprised Cameron Cloke was let go by Carlton and nobody grabbed him. I always thought he was good enough.

[Moe Norman]

high profile players until this year never opted to go in the draft and always went in the Pre-season draft.

Mainly because until this year, you weren't able to nominate contract terms dspite being an existing player

[Minor_Threat]

I wouldnt class Ball as a high profile player..

[kingslayer33]

I wouldnt class Ball as a high profile player..

$1M over 2 years probably puts him close to the high profile set.

Plus the amount of column inches this matter has had.

Then add in the fact he is now going to play with Eddie's mob and you can guarantee if he wasn't high profile before he soon will be ...

[Minor_Threat]

$1M over 2 years probably puts him close to the high profile set.

Plus the amount of column inches this matter has had.

Then add in the fact he is now going to play with Eddie's mob and you can guarantee if he wasn't high profile before he soon will be ...Rocca was on similar money, was he high profile?

I think Ball is very highly overrated and won't cause too many headaches for sides next year!

[Moe Norman]

I wouldnt class Ball as a high profile player..

He was drafted #2 in the best draft of all time. He was All-Australian at the age of 21 and Best & Fairest for a Top 4 Club in the same year, he was made captain of a top side at the age of 23.

I'd say he had a reasonable profile


$1M over 2 years probably puts him close to the high profile set.

Plus the amount of column inches this matter has had.

Then add in the fact he is now going to play with Eddie's mob and you can guarantee if he wasn't high profile before he soon will be ...

He will sign a 3 year deal, and it will more like average out to $1.2m deal over 3 years, with AFL rules resulting in him getting $1m in the first 2.

[kingslayer33]

Rocca was on similar money, was he high profile?

It wasn't just the wage demands that made Ball high profile. And besides Rocca only had a profile at all because of his team. Talk about overrated.



I think Ball is very highly overrated and won't cause too many headaches for sides next year!

I reckon Ball may struggle too. Pretty average disposal and lack of pace a concern and why would the Saints have been quite happy to see the back of him. I reckon they were worried about something.



He will sign a 3 year deal, and it will more like average out to $1.2m deal over 3 years, with AFL rules resulting in him getting $1m in the first 2.

Are you saying the AFL rules in this case were not a good thing Moe? And the pies should now not have to pay him the amount he nominated to scare other clubs off? ;)

[markTHEblake]

Mainly because until this year, you weren't able to nominate contract terms dspite being an existing player

umm, i thought that was always the case? or was that only in the other draft?

[Moe Norman]

It wasn't just the wage demands that made Ball high profile. And besides Rocca only had a profile at all because of his team. Talk about overrated.

Yeah, and probably because he consistently lead the competition in contested marks, was the best forward on the ground in 3 finals in a row in 2002 including kicking 4 on the AA CHB in the Grand Final (arguably 5)




I reckon Ball may struggle too. Pretty average disposal and lack of pace a concern and why would the Saints have been quite happy to see the back of him. I reckon they were worried about something.

You think that do you? So why did they offer him a 3 year deal in June and only take it off the table after he requested the trade?

Why did he get 26 disposals in the Grand Final despite playing only 45% game time?




Are you saying the AFL rules in this case were not a good thing Moe? And the pies should now not have to pay him the amount he nominated to scare other clubs off? ;)

Not at all, the rules state he must sign a 2 year deal if he enters the draft, thus we must pay him $500k per year for those 2 years. However, there is nothing to then stop us from paying him peanuts in the third year to average it out to a $350k deal, which is likely in this case.


umm, i thought that was always the case? or was that only in the other draft?

Nope could only do it in the PSD previously

[Minor_Threat]

You think that do you? So why did they offer him a 3 year deal in June and only take it off the table after he requested the trade?

Why did he get 26 disposals in the Grand Final despite playing only 45% game time?Moe..
You know disposals means **** all these days!

[Moe Norman]

Not when you're Luke Ball and they almost are always contested and you get 26 of them in half a game

[Minor_Threat]

Not when you're Luke Ball and they almost are always contested and you get 26 of them in half a gameI saw the '09 GF myself mate.. His possies made very little impact!

[AndyP]

Luke Hodge >> Luke Ball
Chris Judd >> Luke Ball

;)

[Moe Norman]

I can probably name another 400 listed AFL players that < Judd and/or Hodge

[AndyP]

I used two '>', plus I was just being a smart-arse with the constant comparisons the three players have had. There's no need to call me up on it.

I think St Kilda were stupid to screw around with Luke Ball. Although so far in his career he has had plenty of injuries, he has to come good. Collingwood will now benefit from that.

Is he worth pick 30 or whatever it was? Absolutely.

[LarryLong]

There's no guarantee that he'll come good, but I think Collingwood would be happy to pick up Ball with pick 30

[Moe Norman]

He wasn't injured at all this year, he was dropped.

They have Lenny Hayes, so you can understand him being the 2nd choice as the grunt man in the packs. We unfrotunately don't have Lenny Hayes, so we need a proven ball winning inside midfielder, and we got one with Pick 30. Massive win for us, as that is exactly what we need.

[LarryLong]

He didn't miss a game through injury, but that's not to say that he was 100% fit.

Anyway, that's all semantics and I agree with you. Ball will slot in nicely at Collingwood.

[zigwah]

I think he will, maybe he can teach some of our young players to get the in and unders and show some courage over the ball.

[AndyP]

The fixture builder that I listed for last season is available for 2010.

http://www.thismonkey.com/cgi-bin/football-fixture.pl?start=2010&end=2010&type=ha&code=afl

[Minor_Threat]

Cheers Andy..

It was great for this year!

[zacdullard]

Stokes is in a bit of trouble. (http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1007530)

Also the Brisbane lions are coming to my school today.

[Minor_Threat]

Stokes is in a bit of trouble. (http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1007530)

Also the Brisbane lions are coming to my school today.Tell Fev he is a flogger and Big Bad Baz will kick more than him this year! ;)

[zacdullard]

Fev isn't here but Brown and 5 others are. Brown is HUGE!

[AndyP]

Did you shower with the boys? I reckon Buddy would be longer.

[AndyP]

Fevola went to Cooroy.

[zacdullard]

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Warning - course language.
Warning - a serious bogan.

[AndyP]

Good last quarter by the Tigers.........

I miss Plough Wallet.

[Yossarian]

How good are the eagles! NAB cup counts for so much!

[Minor_Threat]

Love the 3 Qtr speech Zac..

Tiges were decent in the last Qtr, Hawks had no need to try to hard however, so it is hard to tell how good the Tiges really went.

Getting Foxtel this Wednesday, bring on the AFL.

[zacdullard]

I'm angry that I missed it as I didn't think that stupid old Qld would show it. Does anyone know if Taylor Duyrea played for the Hawks?

[LarryLong]

Good last quarter by the Tigers.........

I miss Plough Wallet.

Me too, at least we had somebody to blame.

I reckon Hardwick is a plant. Clarko is playing his latest dirty trick by sending double agents out to coach other clubs into playing shit games against Hawthorn. :)

I think the "ignore downhill skiing midfielders until after they get the ball" part of Hardwick's new game plan is a stroke of genius.

[AndyP]

It was live on One Digital and I didn't know until half time. Thanks for omitting that from your broadcoast schedule, AFL. I was relying on an hour delay on justin.tv until then.

Duyrea wasn't listed (http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/tabid/11442/Default.aspx?seasonid=74&roundid=766&fixtureid=5421&display=3) in the team, Zac.

MT, I didn't even bother watching much of the last quarter. The game was well and truly won and there's no point pushing too hard in a pre-season game.

[Minor_Threat]

MT, I didn't even bother watching much of the last quarter. The game was well and truly won and there's no point pushing too hard in a pre-season game.Of course, totally agree mate. I was just saying I wouldn't rate Richmonds last Qtr performance due to the circumstances.

[WBennett]

Whatever happens at Manuka today, dn't take anything out of it.

Its rained for 24 hours solid and will be a slog, with the centre pitch being an absolute mud pit. Could be comical at centre bounces

[Minor_Threat]

Whatever happens at Manuka today, dn't take anything out of it.

Its rained for 24 hours solid and will be a slog, with the centre pitch being an absolute mud pit. Could be comical at centre bouncesI was sooo close to making the trip down..

I only use the NAB Cup as a method for choosing cheap Dream Team players, results don't worry me.

[Hamo84]

I know it is early days but after the turmoil and the crap that has happened this week with Pt adelaide I was delighted tht we won a game. A win against the crows is always a good thing. Regardless of when, where etc.

[Hamo84]

Whatever happens at Manuka today, dn't take anything out of it.

Its rained for 24 hours solid and will be a slog, with the centre pitch being an absolute mud pit. Could be comical at centre bounces

too much water on the surface for there to be mud Benno. Reminded me of a game in the local league over here (SANFL) with Norwood vs Port Adelaide and the ground was under half a foot of water in some spots.... most atrocious conditions i have ever seen... I know cos i landed on my arse during the kick to kick at 3/4 time.... in front of the norwood grandstand.... needless to say i copped it.... :oops::oops::oops::oops:

[zacdullard]

**** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****!!!!!!!!!

[Minor_Threat]

Kennel looking good early on..

Bad luck Zac, it was a great game to watch as a neutral though!

[fatbastard]

Kennel looking good early on..

Bad luck Zac, it was a great game to watch as a neutral though!

Big bad Barry looking very good!!! If he stays clean I'm tipping the Doggies to win their first premiership since 1954!!!

There you go Minor, I've put the jinx on the Dogs and Barry Hall before the season even starts!!!

You're screwed!!!:mrgreen:

[Minor_Threat]

Big bad Barry looking very good!!! If he stays clean I'm tipping the Doggies to win their first premiership since 1954!!!

There you go Minor, I've put the jinx on the Dogs and Barry Hall before the season even starts!!!

You're screwed!!!:mrgreen:Who are you? :roll:

It's going to take more than your thoughts to sidetrack the Bullies mate!

[fatbastard]

Who are you? :roll:

It's going to take more than your thoughts to sidetrack the Bullies mate!

True!!! I'm tipping them this year... I think you've finally got the team to do it... But I think you only have a 1 year window, this is the year!!!8-)

[Minor_Threat]

True!!! I'm tipping them this year... I think you've finally got the team to do it... But I think you only have a 1 year window, this is the year!!!8-)I don't believe in the 'window' bullshit. If you know much about the dogs, you would know we have a very balanced side!

Still early days, but I like the intesity and skill level of the boys this early on. It is already at a very high level.

[fatbastard]

I don't believe in the 'window' bullshit. If you know much about the dogs, you would know we have a very balanced side!

Still early days, but I like the intesity and skill level of the boys this early on. It is already at a very high level.

Go back over the last 20 years...

Why do you think Brisbane recruited like they did??? To get them back into the "Window"!!!

[Minor_Threat]

Go back over the last 20 years...

Why do you think Brisbane recruited like they did??? To get them back into the "Window"!!!So you trying to tell me Brissy and Geelong have had 6-7 year windows mate?

Crap..

[AndyP]

What does it mean when you win one when you aren't inside your "window"?

[WBennett]

Brisbane recruited the way they did to maintain support short term, with the impending Gold Coast entry.

They can't win a flag with their list, but should play finals in 2010.

[LarryLong]

What does it mean when you win one when you aren't inside your "window"?

Arse.

In other news, Richmond knocked off Geelong in a practice match yesterday.

You're only as good as your last game. :mrgreen:

[fatbastard]

Arse.

In other news, Richmond knocked off Geelong in a practice match yesterday.

You're only as good as your last game. :mrgreen:

Like that's going to happen during the regular season!!!

Geelong had to change across the road at the CFA in Yea!!!:lol:

[fatbastard]

So you trying to tell me Brissy and Geelong have had 6-7 year windows mate?

Crap..


First of all, I'm not your mate (yet), and second of all the teams that have won Premierships in the last 20 years (barr a few jagging it like Hawthorn in 2008 ) have been in a window!!! IMHO.

[LarryLong]

I can't claim to predict the future, so I'm happy with the present.

Yea CFA isn't all that different to Kardinia Park if you ignore the fact that it was probably 20 degrees warmer, not raining, and not blowing a gale at the time.

[fatbastard]

I can't claim to predict the future, so I'm happy with the present.

Yea CFA isn't all that different to Kardinia Park if you ignore the fact that it was probably 20 degrees warmer, not raining, and not blowing a gale at the time.


Good call!!!:smt038

[Minor_Threat]

First of all, I'm not your mate (yet), and second of all the teams that have won Premierships in the last 20 years (barr a few jagging it like Hawthorn in 2008 ) have been in a window!!! IMHO.And I'm saying both Geelong and Brisbane are / were at the top for 6-7 years, that is far too long to be a window..

I call everyone mate, so relax!

[AndyP]

Please define the "window", bud.

[fatbastard]

I think teams have a "Window" of about 5 years or less where they can win a premiership or 2 depending on injuries, recruiting and re-building etc.

Some teams like Brisbane and Geelong have superior lists which kept them up top for longer.

Sydney, for example have tried to keep themselves in the window longer by recruiting mature players (which is what Brisbane have done this year), where Essendon have re-built and are looking for their window to open in a couple of years...

That is my point!

And Minor, It's ok, that's why I said "Yet"!!!

[markTHEblake]

Iget it, Carlton also had a window of about 5 years too recently.

[fatbastard]

Iget it, Carlton also had a window of about 5 years too recently.

:shock:

[markTHEblake]

I said a window not premiership window.

[f00re]

I can see where you are coming from Fat Bastard.

You could say that perhaps Melbourne will have a window in 2015-2020 when their young stars are in there prime between 24-28.
Same goes for WCE and North.

[fatbastard]

Yep, depends on injuries, draft pics, trades etc...

The current window is Geelong, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Collingwood, Bulldogs...

The next window might be Carlton, Brisbane, Sydney, Essendon etc...

Just an opinion by a fat bastard who loves his sports!!!:lol:

[AndyP]

And in the next window is Big Ted.

[jaybam]

and a chair as well :)

[zacdullard]

people with games.

[tg01]

Yep, depends on injuries, draft pics, trades etc...

The current window is Geelong, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Collingwood, Bulldogs...

The next window might be Carlton, Brisbane, Sydney, Essendon etc...

Just an opinion by a fat bastard who loves his sports!!!:lol:

This is Brisbanes windown no, that's why Voss recruited as many sesonsed footballers as he could, to maximise the time left with Brown and Black.

Their window begins to close in 2 years.

[fatbastard]

This is Brisbanes windown no, that's why Voss recruited as many sesonsed footballers as he could, to maximise the time left with Brown and Black.

Their window begins to close in 2 years.

Yeh good point... Hate their new lion!!!:smt078

[AndyP]

I'm off to see the Hawks in a praccy game on the Gold Coast this arvo. I'm expecting a loss with Brisbane playing almost full strength, but it will be good to see the Hawks in Qld for the only time over two years.

[ddasey]

I'm off to see the Hawks in a praccy game on the Gold Coast this arvo. I'm expecting a loss with Brisbane playing almost full strength, but it will be good to see the Hawks in Qld for the only time over two years.

Enjoy Andy. I didn't realise this was on the coast or I would have made an effort to head down.

Fingers crossed the weather holds off for you.

[markTHEblake]

where did they play? Carrara stadium has been demolished.

[AndyP]

where did they play? Carrara stadium has been demolished.Southport's home ground at Fankhauser Reserve. It looked like a good playing surface, but it's a shame that the wind ruined the spectacle.

[LarryLong]

Southport's home ground at Fankhauser Reserve. It looked like a good playing surface, but it's a shame that the wind ruined the spectacle.

Shane Crawford's hairstyle?

Oh, hang on, he's not playing anymore? Who else has poofy hair at Hawthorn these days now that Chance Bateman has had the chop?

Who won Andy?

[AndyP]

The Lions by 11, but I left when they were up by 4 goals. I don't usually leave early from games, but it was only a practice game and I didn't get to watch too much as I had the 6 and 3 year old with me.

[Minor_Threat]

The Dogs looked good last night in there NAB Cup win. Hopefully Mitch Hahn wont be out too long with a fractured cheek bone? Even though it is Pre-Season, it is nice to win something for a change as a Doggies member...

[markTHEblake]

Southport's home ground at Fankhauser Reserve.

you had me googling to find out where the heck that was. Then i realised you just meant Southport Sharks

[fatbastard]

The Dogs looked good last night in there NAB Cup win. Hopefully Mitch Hahn wont be out too long with a fractured cheek bone? Even though it is Pre-Season, it is nice to win something for a change as a Doggies member...

If Hall stays clean I'm tipping you guys to win the big one!!!

[Yossarian]

I think the dogs lack a bit of depth, obviously everyone does to an extent, but I think injury to key players hurts them a lot more than say Geelong.

[AndyP]

I think the dogs lack a bit of depth, obviously everyone does to an extent, but I think injury to key players hurts them a lot more than say Geelong.If you remain relatively injury free, you don't need depth. See 2008 as an example.

[Minor_Threat]

I think the dogs lack a bit of depth, obviously everyone does to an extent, but I think injury to key players hurts them a lot more than say Geelong.You have just shown you have no idea about the Dogs Yoss.. We have about 26 very competent players vying for 22 spots at the moment!

Depth is not our problem..

[Yossarian]

You say so.

[Minor_Threat]

You say so.I do..

[BrisWesty]

I'd agree with Minor Threat. This year the Doggies are far more than a Minor Threat.

[Moe Norman]

I think the dogs lack a bit of depth, obviously everyone does to an extent, but I think injury to key players hurts them a lot more than say Geelong.

Really? Cause clubs were falling over themselves last year to offer a first round pick for blokes like Everitt who isn't even in their best 22. I'd say their depth is exceptional, moreso than say, Geelong.

[AndyP]

I've sent a PM to Haysey to see if he wants to be a ruckman for the Hawks. This is getting ridiculous.

[Minor_Threat]

I've sent a PM to Haysey to see if he wants to be a ruckman for the Hawks. This is getting ridiculous.Looks like you might be starting with Wayde Skipper! lmfao

[Yossarian]

Really? Cause clubs were falling over themselves last year to offer a first round pick for blokes like Everitt who isn't even in their best 22. I'd say their depth is exceptional, moreso than say, Geelong.

Apologies having read my post back I probably worded it a bit strongly. I am no expert on the dogs list, is Everitt that good? It was just how I percieved it last year and given how long I have played and coached at an AFL level my opinion means a lot. :)

[AndyP]

Looks like you might be starting with Wayde Skipper! lmfaoSkipper is out until rounds 6-8. He was going to be a great buy for a Dream Team.

It's Renouf and then um, er, some other tall dude. We might have to use Roughead.

[Yossarian]

Isn't roughead out as well? Knee or somesuch?

[Minor_Threat]

Skipper is out until rounds 6-8. He was going to be a great buy for a Dream Team.

It's Renouf and then um, er, some other tall dude. We might have to use Roughead.Oops I just read that on the AFL site, I wouldn't have placed to much faith in him anyway.. He is too short to be an AFL ruckman.

Looks like you guys will be putting your faith into Renouf, with maybe Roughie or even buddy having shorts stints in the Ruck?

[AndyP]

Ruckman are overrated, but they still do a job, and it would be nice to have someone tallish out there.

Yoss, I don't know of a Roughead injury, except for a precaution that was taken during the preseason game.

[ddasey]

Go the Pies.

Looked good in patches today, promising signs for the rest of the season though. Good win without Cloke having any real influence.

Down side, Darren Jolly was disappointing. How good is Dane Swan ???

[Minor_Threat]

Pies played great...

Dogs on the other hand should have told Johnson to wait another week and overlooked Moles and Ward.. Stupid!

More ticker required by the Kennel next week!

[ddasey]

Over the moon the Pies won but the Dog's showed sings they are going to be a good side this year.

I agree Johnson looked underdone and probably should have waited another week.

On a side note, how good were the Pies :mrgreen:

[Minor_Threat]

Over the moon the Pies won but the Dog's showed sings they are going to be a good side this year.

I agree Johnson looked underdone and probably should have waited another week.

On a side note, how good were the Pies :mrgreen:I said they played great.. Long way to go though mate.. ;)

[Moe Norman]

I would put those Pies in the freezer for a while before taking a bite

[AndyP]

Look at the ladder! ;)

[gazgolf1]

Great to see the Lions get the the season underway with a win last night. The recruits played well with Raines getting a heap of kicks as did Staker, Fev could have kicked 6, Banfield made some blues but did some good things too. Skill level was pretty ordinary but its early. Good to see the footy back. :)

[AndyP]

Good to see the footy back. :)Hoorah!

[ddasey]

Good to see the footy back. :)

:smt023

[unclechopchop]

Love seeing the football how good are the pies? the real question is how good can we be?Jolly played ok today, did a better job then fraser or the other big lug wood has done of late.Dane Swan was awsomw as was Maxwell showed real collingwood spirit.Presti just keeps getting better just like a grange.Lots of others contributed Harry O absloutly oblitereated the dogs offensively Shaw was solid If i had to pick an underdone pies for the day it would be sidebottom and a couple of others.Good goood gooood karma for the rest of the season pies and bullies def top 4 both with destroy mediocre sides this year

[LarryLong]

March champions. :)

[unclechopchop]

Nah that was the bulldogs :)

[Minor_Threat]

Nah that was the bulldogs :)If you listen to the media bullshit..

See you in September ;)

[Yossarian]

****ing dockers.

[markTHEblake]

Its only round 1, I enjoyed watching the footy this weekend, the supporters of about 8 clubs didnt!

As long as I have plenty of more happy days this season, nothing to get hung up about.

[mint]

Pies played great...

Dogs on the other hand should have told Johnson to wait another week and overlooked Moles and Ward.. Stupid!

More ticker required by the Kennel next week!

I think you guys played well but your right a few of your boys didnt seem hungry enough..

was at the game and man you move the ball quick.. can easily destroy a team if they are not prepared to run!

[just]

It'll probably be a reasonably lean year but here goes anyway:
SWANNIES!!!!!!!!

[Yossarian]

Are the roos worse than melbourne?

[kingslayer33]

Bit harsh yoss. I think the wet toast boys are also yet to win.

We were pretty good yesterday and the tiggers are still to play too.

Maybe the pies peaked for round 1 ;)

and after just reading uncle choppa's last post it was really obvious ziggy was reincarnated.

[BrisWesty]

Geelong got away with one there. Sorry AP.

[AndyP]

I'm not worried. It's clear that being short a ruckmen for a couple of months is hurting. Sewell would be handy too.

It was great seeing Gablett get mowed down a couple of times.

[Minor_Threat]

Glad to see the Cats and Hawks have a tough game.

Dogs v Hawks next week will be good to watch!

[Bruce]

I actually felt a bit sorry for Renouf in the last quarter. That poor bastard was so gassed by the end.

Nice to see Bateman get mowed down a couple of times too.

Footy is a game of 4 cliches.

[Minor_Threat]

Nice to see Bateman get mowed down a couple of times too.
Agreed mate, I enjoyed that very much also..

[BrisWesty]

I'm not worried. It's clear that being short a ruckmen for a couple of months is hurting. Sewell would be handy too.

It was great seeing Gablett get mowed down a couple of times.

It didn't kill him, it'll only make him stronger - but full marks to Rioli and Petersen for nailing him. You're not wrong about the ruckman shortage for the Hawks, they almost need to do the "vs Freo" tactic of reading and roving the opposing ruckman's tap.

[mike]

Go Dragons.

[zacdullard]

Take that Yoss.

It was amusing listening to Rex Hunt on MMM's broadcast.

[AndyP]

How did you know what the score was with Hunt commentating?

When I hear him, I immediately change the station.

Congratulations on the win. That's both of today's tips wrong for me.

[kingslayer33]

Rex is the biggest nuffnuff commentator ever. Makes Sandy Roberts looks good!

[zacdullard]

hahaha his favourite comment today was a worm burning, mongrel, finger breaking punt. He must have said it 15 times.

[AndyP]

Repetitiveness is one of his trademarks.

[Bruce]

I watched the 3rd quarter last night. It was one of the worst games I've ever seen. St Kilda v Swans from 2 years ago is the actual worst I've ever seen.

Monday and Friday featured 4 of the teams considered chances to finish top 4 - which game would you rather watch?

[Yossarian]

****ing eagles.

[AndyP]

Bummer! Two great games in a row without any reward. We just can't hold it together for all four quarters without more of our best 22 playing

How good is Rioli? He has been sensational.
Did you guys take my advice to put Peterson in your Dream Team? He would have been racking the points up in the first half.

[zacdullard]

The dogs looked good. From the parts I saw their ball skills looked great and big bad barry looked strong up forward.

[AndyP]

I'll assume you only watched the last quarter or so then. Hall wasn't a factor until late in the game, when the rest of the players were buggered.

[zacdullard]

Yeh I only watched the last quarter and a half.

[Minor_Threat]

Umpires played well for the Hawks for the 1st half. Then they shit themselves and decided it was too lopsided. Great contest between Lewis and Harbrow that saw Lewis get stretchered off, awesome courage by both players.

Dogs are still off their game and only came good when the game opened up.

[jimandr]

I've been a bit unwell this weekend, so I've spent a lot of time on the couch watching sport or falling asleep. I didn't see all the Collingwood v St Kilda or all of Adelaide v Melbourne, but I was prepared to say the game has big problems when teams can go more than half the game without scoring a goal and still be in contention.

AFL was getting to be like basketball, with a possession game based on a patient buildup to a score. But those games were more like soccer. The possession game was almost designed to prevent the opposition from scoring, rather than score yourself.

Then I watched the last half of Freo v Geelong. That game was brilliant. If AFL can serve up more of that, and less of the other, it will always be worth watching.

[AndyP]

Oh FFS, this is ridiculous. :(


Hawks defender Josh Gibson will undergo surgery later this afternoon to repair a damaged hamstring tendon injured in last Sunday’s match against the Western Bulldogs.

The surgery will see Gibson sidelined for up to 12 weeks.

[just]

Oh FFS, this is ridiculous. :(
No great loss, Gibson is a complete plonker. Oh and thanks for Kennedy and McGlynn.

Oh yeah I almost forgot:
SWANNIES!!!!!!!!

[ddasey]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:eqNz5UKvCeNDCM:http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1063478123189_2003/09/15/pies_logo.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1063478123189_2003/09/15/pies_logo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/15/1063478124344.html&usg=__2CMpCvlCnv2ZcDX5iu3qpPiRfj0=&h=263&w=200&sz=18&hl=en&start=2&sig2=Acr34RITxIgRLft5VFnjoA&itbs=1&tbnid=eqNz5UKvCeNDCM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcollingwood%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D 2%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=xaHJS9--HZLs7AOD76z4Ag)

The Pies gave the Hawks a bit of a walloping tonight :mrgreen: (Sorry AP)

[just]

Some great matches in a good week of football. On another topic Andrew Raines must be feeling about the luckiest footballer around at the moment.

[kingslayer33]

What about Richo. Got out at the right time!

[Minor_Threat]

I didn't see any footy this weekend (due to working stupid crazy hours), but I read the dogs were very ordinary. Lets hope they can turn that around soon!

[AndyP]

That troll that doused johnno should get a public stoning!
Let the stoning begin.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=92636

[Minor_Threat]

Let the stoning begin.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=92636
Funny how this bloke gets 2 nights in the clink and the troll got nothing..

On another note, how soft is Fev, he is happy to go to the boundary and give the crowd a serve, he gets a trickle of beer on him and he goes to the cops!

Weak dog IMO..

[just]

Funny how this bloke gets 2 nights in the clink and the troll got nothing..

On another note, how soft is Fev, he is happy to go to the boundary and give the crowd a serve, he gets a trickle of beer on him and he goes to the cops!

Weak dog IMO..
Nothing wrong with your comprehension is there.
Who says the Fev abused the crowd? The only one saying that is the idiot who threw the beer, no one else.
Fev didn't go to the cops, security saw the incident and called the police, Fev just pointed out the idiot and he probably didn't need to do it anyway since security saw it.
And finally the troll apologised unreservedly and also said she wanted to make restitution by paying a charity, while this ****wit didn't apologise, said he wasn't sorry at all and that Fev deserved it. Whether you like Fev or not, that is just piss poor.
I may be missing the humour in your post, but what can really expect from your average Bulldogs supporter.

[Minor_Threat]

Nothing wrong with your comprehension is there.
Who says the Fev abused the crowd? The only one saying that is the idiot who threw the beer, no one else.
Fev didn't go to the cops, security saw the incident and called the police, Fev just pointed out the idiot and he probably didn't need to do it anyway since security saw it.
And finally the troll apologised unreservedly and also said she wanted to make restitution by paying a charity, while this ****wit didn't apologise, said he wasn't sorry at all and that Fev deserved it. Whether you like Fev or not, that is just piss poor.
I may be missing the humour in your post, but what can really expect from your average Bulldogs supporter.
That is your take on events, I happen to know quite a few of the bulldogs supporters that were in the area at the time, so I know what did occur and there was plenty of abuse from Fev at some stage.

I wouldn't apologise either..
Johnno is a role model / player that Fev can only dream to aspire to, and is deserved of an apology!

I have to laugh about your comments on Bulldogs supporters, there are plenty out there worse than us. You obviously know your stuff..

[just]

That is your take on events, I happen to know quite a few of the bulldogs supporters that were in the area at the time, so I know what did occur and there was plenty of abuse from Fev at some stage.

I wouldn't apologise either..
Johnno is a role model / player that Fev can only dream to aspire to, and is deserved of an apology!

I have to laugh about your comments on Bulldogs supporters, there are plenty out there worse than us. You obviously know your stuff..
So some Bulldogs supporters claim Fev abused them, how surprising! I'm sure that they were complete angels.

So because Fev is a tool you can throw beer on him and not apologise. Excellent, I'll teach my kids those lessons-two wrongs make a right and never apologise if you've done something wrong if you don't like the other person.

Unlike your posts, my Bulldog dig was TIC. I can't believe that you are not trying to wind us up and you really believe the turd your posting. Say it ain't so.

[Yossarian]

In other news how could a team like the bulldogs with great depth struggle to overcome the lions?

[just]

Because the Lions are very good, top 4 good. They controlled the first half of the first quarter and the whole of the third and and fourth. In the fourth they were more intense and Bulldogs hardly made it past halfway the whole quarter.

[AndyP]

Because the Lions are very good, top 4 good. I would amend that to say that at full strength they are top 4 good. I don't think they have much depth, and the way their reserves have been getting flogged it doesn't convince me otherwise.

[Minor_Threat]

So some Bulldogs supporters claim Fev abused them, how surprising! I'm sure that they were complete angels.

So because Fev is a tool you can throw beer on him and not apologise. Excellent, I'll teach my kids those lessons-two wrongs make a right and never apologise if you've done something wrong if you don't like the other person.

Unlike your posts, my Bulldog dig was TIC. I can't believe that you are not trying to wind us up and you really believe the turd your posting. Say it ain't so.
No claims about it mate, it did happen. I have no reason to not believe what I have been told.

Teach your kids what you want mate, ill be teaching mine to make an educated choice on whether they apologise or not. It isn't as "Black and White" as two wrongs don't make a right.

In regards to the Bulldogs depth they indeed were totally outplayed by the Lions. However depth only goes so far, our injury list is quite extensive with many players weeks away from recovery.

[just]

Teach your kids what you want mate, ill be teaching mine to make an educated choice on whether they apologise or not. It isn't as "Black and White" as two wrongs don't make a right.
Yes, it is as black and white as that. I'll refrain from commenting further because I'm speechless.

[kingslayer33]

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[Moe Norman]

The Lions aren't THAT good. They were lucky to get the Dogs on the rebound from a bruising game off a 6 day break, aon the road and missing key players.

Just like the Pies were lucky to get Hawthorn coming off the same 6 day break, from the same bruising game and also missing key players.

[AndyP]

And the Bulldogs were lucky to get the Hawks on the rebound, from a different bruising game off a 6 day break and missing key players. :mrgreen:

[AndyP]

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[Yossarian]

Western Bulldogs Injury List

Matthew Boyd (broken hand) - 1 week
Tim Callan (knee) - TBA
Ayce Cordy (shoulder) - 3 weeks
Christian Howard (hip) - 4 weeks
James Mulligan (hamstring) - 1 week
Liam Picken (ankle) - 5-6 weeks
Shane Thorne (knee) - 12 weeks
Callan Ward (groin) - 5 weeks
Easton Wood (knee) - test
Updated April 19


And aker and brad johnson didn't line up against the lions? So they were missing 4 of the best 22? Although I thought boyd played.

Simon Black (calf) - test
Bryce Retzlaff (shin) - test
Bart McCulloch (quad) - test
Sam Sheldon (back) - 1 week
Amon Buchanan (thumb) - 1-2 weeks
Jed Adcock (quad) - 2 weeks
Cheynee Stiller (hamstring) - 2 weeks
Ryan Harwood (ankle) - 2 weeks
Mitch Golby (knee) - 2 weeks
Jamie Charman (ankle) - 2-4 weeks
Xavier Clarke (knee) - indefinite

[just]

Boyd did play and Brisbane were missing Mitch Clarke and Ash McGrath (suspension) as well.

[Minor_Threat]

Yes, it is as black and white as that. I'll refrain from commenting further because I'm speechless.
An extreme example..
Someone breaks into my house to steal stuff, I punch him in the head and break his nose. Should I apologise?

Fev abused the shit out of certain people in the crowd (someone may take it personally) and he gets dregs of a beer spilt on him. Should they apologise? As I have stated earlier I wouldn't.


Western Bulldogs Injury List

Matthew Boyd (broken hand) - 1 week
Tim Callan (knee) - TBA
Ayce Cordy (shoulder) - 3 weeks
Christian Howard (hip) - 4 weeks
James Mulligan (hamstring) - 1 week
Liam Picken (ankle) - 5-6 weeks
Shane Thorne (knee) - 12 weeks
Callan Ward (groin) - 5 weeks
Easton Wood (knee) - test
Updated April 19


And aker and brad johnson didn't line up against the lions? So they were missing 4 of the best 22? Although I thought boyd played.

Simon Black (calf) - test
Bryce Retzlaff (shin) - test
Bart McCulloch (quad) - test
Sam Sheldon (back) - 1 week
Amon Buchanan (thumb) - 1-2 weeks
Jed Adcock (quad) - 2 weeks
Cheynee Stiller (hamstring) - 2 weeks
Ryan Harwood (ankle) - 2 weeks
Mitch Golby (knee) - 2 weeks
Jamie Charman (ankle) - 2-4 weeks
Xavier Clarke (knee) - indefinite
Not sure of the point of that injury list mate?

As far as I know Boyd played, Ward and Picken are in our best 22! Reid is missing off that list, who is best 25.

[Yossarian]

You have just shown you have no idea about the Dogs Yoss.. We have about 26 very competent players vying for 22 spots at the moment!

Depth is not our problem..

My point is both teams had about the same amount of players missing from their best 22. 4.

[Minor_Threat]

My point is both teams had about the same amount of players missing from their best 22. 4.
So next your going to tell me you define depth as 30 odd players any of which can slot into the starting 22 with no problems?

I'm pretty sure I have said we were outplayed by Brisbane. The team we fielded was certainly capable of beating Brisbane as was shown by being 30 pts ahead in the 3rd Qtr.

[zacdullard]

This made me laugh. A Collingwood supporter walks into the local pub with a seagull sitting on his shoulder, the barman asked where he got it from, "Down at the tip" replied the seagull, "there's 1000's of the dirty ****ers living there".

[kingslayer33]

Zac that is what is commonly referred to as "champagne comedy"

[Yossarian]

So next your going to tell me you define depth as 30 odd players any of which can slot into the starting 22 with no problems?

I'm pretty sure I have said we were outplayed by Brisbane. The team we fielded was certainly capable of beating Brisbane as was shown by being 30 pts ahead in the 3rd Qtr.


No that would be silly. Depth for mine is how versatile your fringe players are and this is what I think Geelong does well or has chanced. Their fringe players all seem to acquit themselves well no matter what position they slot into. Those in the best 22 seem to be able to move around to different positions to accommodate the fringe players at times as well.

The bulldogs, remembering I have already admitted in this thread I am no Rhodes Scholar about, don't seem to do this as well. Just my opinion of course.

And you were only 30 points ahead, from what I saw, because Brisbane kicked like Muppets for most of the game?

[just]

And you were only 30 points ahead, from what I saw, because Brisbane kicked like Muppets for most of the game?
Correct.

[Minor_Threat]

And you were only 30 points ahead, from what I saw, because Brisbane kicked like Muppets for most of the game?
The point is we were 30 pts ahead with the team we fielded.. It makes no difference how it occured!

[Yossarian]

There we will have to agree to disagree I suppose I think it does make a difference. The point is you lost with the team you fielded.

[Minor_Threat]

There we will have to agree to disagree I suppose I think it does make a difference. The point is you lost with the team you fielded.
That is the end result not the point. You were trying to down play the fact that the Bulldogs were 30 pts ahead, it is irrelevant how they gained that lead.

[Yossarian]

First off how is the end result not the point? So they weren't playing to win? What is this auskick "well done boys you tried hard"

Why is it irrelevant, looking at the stats Brisbane smashed you all around the ground but kicked like gumbies. Again I feel this is because the bulldogs don't cover for certain players being out as well as Geelong and St Kilda. You don't seem to have as many swing men for lack of a better term. I still think the dogs are a very good side and should make the four. So if that is what is getting your knickers in a twist here be at ease man.

It conceivably could have been a 60 point loss to you guys I still fail to see the fact Brisbane’s kicking was shithouse is irrelevant? I wasn't downplaying anything merely pointing out that the dogs can consider themselves lucky to have had that lead given how the game was played.

[Minor_Threat]

I realise that Brisbane kicked poorly, and I agree we should have lost by 10 - 15 goals. Having said this the game is not decided by total scoring shots and thus the Bulldog lead by 30 pts is as valid as if they were the better side on the night. With the point being the substitute players we had on the field were capable of beating Brisabane based on the fact they achieved this lead.

If Geelong had have kicked straight they would have won the '08 flag. Are you suggesting the Hawks flag is irrevelant because Geelong kicked so poorly?

As the old saying goes "Bad kicking is bad football".

[Yossarian]

I'm not suggesting that at all, just as I am not suggesting Brisbane’s win is irrelevant.

The hawks were lucky they got Geelong on a particularly bad goal kicking day. And they then capitalised on that.

The bulldogs got the lions on a bad goal kicking day which by your implication is a bad day of football. They were then not good enough to do anything with it. The fact the surrendered it to lose by 30 points just goes to indicate, i think, that the subsitute players you had on the field were never capable of beating Brisbane.

[markTHEblake]

and if it wasnt for the umpires Collingwood would have won 55 premierships by now, and it would have been Taylor in the commercial not Locket

[Minor_Threat]

I'm not suggesting that at all, just as I am not suggesting Brisbane’s win is irrelevant.

The hawks were lucky they got Geelong on a particularly bad goal kicking day. And they then capitalised on that.

The bulldogs got the lions on a bad goal kicking day which by your implication is a bad day of football. They were then not good enough to do anything with it. The fact the surrendered it to lose by 30 points just goes to indicate, i think, that the subsitute players you had on the field were never capable of beating Brisbane.
As I have said numerous time in this thread, Brisbane were the best team on the night. Which is something that would not have been hard to do as I think Gold Coast in the VFL would have given us a run.

I'm not losing any sleep over it, I know we will bounce back. One thing is for sure I would rather be playing badly in April than September..

[just]

An extreme example..
Someone breaks into my house to steal stuff, I punch him in the head and break his nose. Should I apologise?
You're right that is extreme and just silly, it's not even remotely the same.


Fev abused the shit out of certain people in the crowd (someone may take it personally) and he gets dregs of a beer spilt on him.
So they claim Fev abused them out of the blue? Here is the more likely case:
1. They abused Fev about personal issues, first off a dog act and bogan behaviour, something which would have got them a warning from security. I wouldn't hesitate to complain to security at the ground, and have before, about low behaviour like this.
2. Fev possibly said something back.
3. Some idiot committed assault by throwing beer on Fev.

Class individuals!

Should they apologise? As I have stated earlier I wouldn't.
Condoning personal abuse and assault. Once again, I'm speechless.

[BrisWesty]

Did someone call Fev a punt?

[Minor_Threat]

You're right that is extreme and just silly, it's not even remotely the same.


So they claim Fev abused them out of the blue? Here is the more likely case:
1. They abused Fev about personal issues, first off a dog act and bogan behaviour, something which would have got them a warning from security. I wouldn't hesitate to complain to security at the ground, and have before, about low behaviour like this.
2. Fev possibly said something back.
3. Some idiot committed assault by throwing beer on Fev.

Class individuals!

Condoning personal abuse and assault. Once again, I'm speechless.
You sound like one of those "do gooder" types.. Your not a cop or a teacher are you or maybe your Fevs Dad?

Am I supposed to feel bad for upsetting your moral values? I couldn't really give a toss if your speechless!

[Yossarian]

I find it amusing that you called him a weak dog.

I actually don't think fev has done much wrong here.