The "sledge Adlos swing" thread

[adlo]

OK, the driver thread seemed to lose its way. So here is a thread where can all sledge me for not swinging hard enough.

The swing:

EMT-tiVir9s

I have these comments from the other thread:


Razaar: Coming out of the shot too early and not staying behind the ball. Everything has gone too early...


Virge: Right side has collapsed and left leg is straight. Pretty much standard hi flip draw.

Get your right hip higher through impact.


Razaar, are you coming back to the 1/4 drill you mentioned earlier? I seem to struggle a bit with that drill.

Virge, can you explain your comments at all?

I have had lessons in the past, but have struggled to really "click" with what coaches have said about the full swing. I'd appreciate any help.

[adlo]

OK, moved to this thread......


'Course.

on your downswing your hips are going UNDER your shoulder instead of staying level and ROTATING AROUND. Your posture changes about 4 times on you backswing and down to impact.

Repeat to yourself on a backswing - ARMS, SHOULDERS, HIPS
Then for a downswing HIPS, SHOULDERS, ARMS.

Do this whilest keeping your spine angle and posture. You need to swing around your spine, not move your upper body around to suit what your legs are doing.

Just rotate around your spine.... nothing more
Thanks Virge, I will see how that feels and come back to you.



Won't this make him hit big blocks/cuts ?

Shouldn't the arms start the downswing ?

Good question.

[3oneday]

Homo

[adlo]

The sledge is about the swing, not me, wanker.

[3oneday]

You're both homo's.



ya wanker.



;)

[adlo]

:lol: Good sledge

[Johnny Canuck]

Best thread ever!

[dc68]

Reve aro's swing arowg!!!!!

[dc68]

Sowwy wong won!!!

[razaar]

Razaar, are you coming back to the 1/4 drill you mentioned earlier? I seem to struggle a bit with that drill.

No mate. Something much more simple. Keep the left side of your face to the right of the ball position until the ball is well on its way (a common fundamental of all good golfers). On the backswing have only forward swing thoughts i.e the path the clubhead should take through and past the ball (to hip height). Pretty hard to think backswing and then forwards swing thoughts in 1.6 secs - the forward thoughts should take care of the backswing and is the more important part of the swing. (All great ball strikers have great forward swings). Swing at 75% pace until you can do it. The aim is to get that clinging contact out of the sweet spot. Have fun.

[Lucasto23]

i need to video my swing, learning so much from everybody else' feedback on the WA lot's. Thanks for that boys;)

I got nothing to say about your swing as i know squat.

[simmsy]

No mate. Something much more simple. Keep the left side of your face to the right of the ball position until the ball is well on its way (a common fundamental of all good golfers). On the backswing have only forward swing thoughts i.e the path the clubhead should take through and past the ball (to hip height). Pretty hard to think backswing and then forwards swing thoughts in 1.6 secs - the forward thoughts should take care of the backswing and is the more important part of the swing. (All great ball strikers have great forward swings). Swing at 75% pace until you can do it. The aim is to get that clinging contact out of the sweet spot. Have fun.

75% of his current swing!
c'mon he already gets laughed at enough even Jim in our group last week laughed at his girlish swing and he's pushing 80.

[adlo]

simmsy, I was getting it down there as far as Yossarian and Rebjon at the range, even with the collapsed right side and the relaxed swing. Imagine what will happen when I learn how to store some power???? I will only be 2 clubs shorter than JC instead of 4 :oops:

Edit: Thanks Ray.

[simmsy]

yep i reckon you're about spot on mate.
when you are able to unleash the beast within you, you will be knockin it down 260+ no problems.

and i will be 4 clubs behind you.

[adlo]

OK, had a few swings messing around with what Razaar and Virge have said.

Raz, what you are saying makes absolute sense and I feel like I can implement it.

Virge, what you are saying makes sense but I have NFI how to implement it.

I will take some more video in a few days time when I get a chance to hit some balls and get some more feedback.

Thanks again.

[parlyboy]

Homo
lmao...:mrgreen:

[parlyboy]

Honestly...not bad...well not as bad as yoss' swing. He did look like a homo.

[zigwah]

Adlo, try firing your hips as fast as you can, it will give you a feeling of leaving your hands behind. This helped me lots.

[TourFit]

The problem as I see it is that you are a bit cramped...

...you hardly fit into the picture at all ya freak !!!! Any chance we can get the camera moved back???

[Scottt]

Adlo, it looks to me like you asre sequencing wrong on the way back. It looks as if you are breaking your wrists and hingeing in the right arm before you even really start your shoulder turn.

Virge, Raz, do you agree?

[Scottt]

Oh, and cut those sideburns, hippy!

[just]

Oh, and cut those sideburns, hippy!
They are a sign of the profligate latte lifestyle he leads, Scottt, robs him of his strength hence the girly swing.

[adlo]

Oh, and cut those sideburns, hippy!


They are a sign of the profligate latte lifestyle he leads, Scottt, robs him of his strength hence the girly swing.

:lol: Awesome stuff.

Scottt, I know exactly what you are trying to say, and it bugs the hell out of me looking at my swing. Believe it or not, it is a lot better than is used to be.

[adlo]

And Just, who you calling girly?
6h2vcply060

[3oneday]

Still a homo

[razaar]

Scottty...it is pretty difficult to change your backswing because it is like a fingerprint. Best way to deal with backswing is to think about where you should be in the forward swing and let your subconscious get you into the correct position. Many of the world's top golfers have very different backswings (you could rattle off their names) but they make an adjustment in the transition which flourishes into perfect contact. I'd bet the house that they are not thinking backswing thoughts.

A way to find the best backswing position for your swing is to work backwards from the impact position you want for a particular shot and bounce the transition move from backswing to forward swing back and forward at the top to get the feeling of your position at the top for the impact you want.

[just]

And Just, who you calling girly?
Snap hooked that one straight into the piss, it was swing of manly vigour.

[adlo]

Snap hooked that one straight into the piss, it was swing of manly vigour.

:smt038

Good call

[zigwah]

And Just, who you calling girly?
6h2vcply060

Nice comeback, that was really girly.

[PeteyD]

Ah but standing on the first tee at the champs with 50 OzGolfers watching is a nerve wracking experience. Even with the dead toads.

[zacdullard]

How many people hit it in the drink?

[adlo]

Type Ozgolf into YouTube and watch for yourself.

[Jarro]

Everyone, even jack

[zacdullard]

I just watched all of the videos. It was good putting some names to faces instead of just imagining what they look like from their online personality. For instance jarro is not as short as he is made out to be.

[Courty]

Everyone, even jack

Not me. :mrgreen:

I hit the bamboo. :roll:

[Jarro]

I just watched all of the videos. It was good putting some names to faces instead of just imagining what they look like from their online personality. For instance jarro is not as short as he is made out to be.

Who said i'm short ? :-s :x


Not me. :mrgreen:

I hit the bamboo. :roll:

Trust you to be different to the rest of us :roll:

[adlo]

Who said i'm short ? :-s :x



You have a 15 year old calling you short. Awesome.

[Jarro]

You have a 15 year old calling you short. Awesome.

That's nothing, my 12 year old daughter looks me in the eye too :shock:

But she probably swings a golf club harder than you too adlo :mrgreen:

[PeteyD]

My 6 year old swings a club harder than Adlo. I hit fairway on 1 both days you choppers. The rest of the days were abysmal but I blame the alcomahol.

[adlo]

http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/photos/star/week03_07//large/starwest-Kamahl-col4.jpg

[adlo]

Guys, don't let the silky smooth tempo fool you into thinking I am not swinging hard 8)

[henno]

I hit it way harder than you.

Sure, I'm two fairways over, but it's all about how hard you swing, homo!

[adlo]

Ah, parallel fairways. Should be criminal.

[zacdullard]

I prefer parallel fairways much more than bushland or other things, it is a heap easier to find my ball.

[Johnny Canuck]

I was told by the thread starter I should put this here:

Aldo's Golf Swing Developed Here (http://www.outonthegreen.com)

[zacdullard]

Nice :mrgreen:

[adlo]

Bastard!

Your punishment.... no more of your shoes at TGW!

They are SO hard to deal with... just got off the phone to them now. What do you want to do?

[Johnny Canuck]

off to basketball. i'll decide when back. not enough time to check now.

[adlo]

No probs. The Adidas 360 Sport disappeared completely! How could every size and color just disappear?!?

[zacdullard]

The Adidas 360 Sport disappeared completely! How could every size and color just disappear?!?
Maybe JC is a trendsetter. When word got out that he was going to buy some everyone decided to get them.

[adlo]

JC is a giant Canadian fweak. Rumoured to be the Samsquanch.

You should become a criminal profiler Zac.

[Johnny Canuck]

well done aldo. love your work.

one of the more expensive colours i liked, that disappeared, is now back.

their site is ****ed.

[adlo]

Well, it is a crap site, but I want to finalise this elusive order. What do you want?

[Yossarian]

So it wasn't just me noticing stuff being in stock then out of stock?

Also I think I have started a swing uploading trend.

I am pretty cool.

[adlo]

They are crap, apart from their cheap prices :)

What is the call JC?

[Johnny Canuck]

the new speedline driver, but i'll take these (http://www.tgw.com/customer/category/product.jsp?SUBCATEGORY_ID=11354) in size 13 medium, white/black/red

http://www.tgw.com/images/golf/products/shoes/footjoy/11354/cfli-whiteblackred.jpg

[adlo]

1 new Speedline, coming up

[MegaWatty]

Any chance of jumping on an order? Sorry!

[Yossarian]

:lol:

[adlo]

What you looking for MW?

[Johnny Canuck]

maybe my shoes will be back in stock for a third time. maybe the reds will reappear this time.

[MegaWatty]

Meh...Go ahead without me....That site is shitting me. Was looking at shoes. Let me know next time there's a WA order. I'll see what I'm in need of.

[adlo]

Next WA order from tgw might be never! Now is your chance!

[MegaWatty]

Nah, you're right mate. I'll end up on the impulse, and that's never good for marriages. Next WA order for whatever or wherever, let me know. Go Adlo....Do the order, and get it over with. PLEASE!

[adlo]

No worries, now can we PLEASE get back to sledging my swing?!?

Hitting the range Thursday with the Bunbury GC wannabe to try a few things out.

[Yossarian]

Hey if you don't want some company for the drives down that is fine with me... And less bryan adams that I will have to listen to. :D

[adlo]

So I will be driving will I? Any other usurping planned?

[Yossarian]

Mate two six foot plus guys with two golf bags in a Honda Prelude is not that comfy.
I could steal the old man's 4wd I guess.:-k

[LarryLong]

Don't know enough about golf swings to sledge Adlo's swing, but are they tassles on your shorts? Did you sew them on yourself?

:)

[adlo]

Ah, a quality sledge at last!!

No they are not tassles, but good call nonetheless!

Virge, any help with this hip thing? I am struggling to understand.

[3oneday]

He's gone somewhere for golf I think i read ?

[Yossarian]

He's gone somewhere for golf I think i read ?

Oh snap! :lol:

[3oneday]

Homo's

[adlo]

You know what they say about someone so homophobic 3

[Yossarian]

You know what they say about someone so homophobic 3


That the homophobia is caused by watching to much league? :mrgreen:

[adlo]

I think anyone who watches league is actually homo

[Yossarian]

Brave words.

[zacdullard]

He is a giant freak, scared of nobody.

[Golfnut]

That TGW order going ahead Adlo?

[Johnny Canuck]

i hope so. now the latest colour i've requested is out of stock.

[Yossarian]

:lol:

This place is cwazy.

[simmsy]

Cool my bag has gone down in price $13us
Good work Aldo!!

[3oneday]

The dollar falling a cent overnight will fix that ;)

[moree golfer]

Back up a cent this morning Simmsy et al.

[adlo]

I'm glad our WA order has hijacked yet another thread!

PM sent guys. Order in, Dollar above 83c, TGW prices down 15%. I know who wins!

Bergsey, I did send you a PM, but we really had to jump on this.

Now.... back to the sledging please!!

[Yossarian]

Swing harder.

[3oneday]

memememe

[just]

:-k:smt015

[simmsy]

you swing like a homo with tassles.

[simmsy]

the completion of your swing makes you look like Annika Sorenstam at the finish of hers, pity you look like Laura Davies though.

[simmsy]

yeah looking at it, you don't really rotate your hips, torso or shoulders do you?
you sort of just swing with your arms, you have to load up that body "like a coiled snake" ready to strike!

and what's your head doing looking to see if it's going to rain before you hit the ball, it's ok mate the ball can handle a bit of rain.

that's all for now.

[3oneday]

Quiet day simmsy ?



:lol:

[adlo]

simmsy, I should have mentioned that anyone who has shot a -9 in par in the past 2 weeks cannot comment.

[adlo]

OK, here is a 5 iron swing from today.

Swinging slow.... I know. Trying to keep the head down a bit and get the hips into the downswing a bit more. I feel like the swing looks a bit better. I can see that the same problems are there but I welcome thoughts from Razaar and Virge. Thanks.

Special credit goes to JC's truestrike mat and the free fridge we just scored for acting as a net. Excuse the state of the junk room- the garage.

v9X4X7LaCd0

[3oneday]

Shouldn't your hands be going toward your ear and not your arse ?

[adlo]

I dunno.

[simmsy]

Quiet day simmsy ?






:lol:


lack of motivation. busy but can't be bothered.

[3oneday]

I haven't pressed play (in case some rampant porn comes up) but that position I am looking at, I would have thought the club would be better served being near the 5th star and not between the 2nd and 3rd ones.

[adlo]

It is safe video to watch, trust me. Not sure what you mean by stars.

[simmsy]

why you hitting your fridge?

lucky you didn't take out the camera or your nuts.

explain that one to the wife...


"ahh well i thought.....":razz:


oh and you can talk Mr.-7 and can't get past ladies tees on a semi regular occurance.

my2c - head looks alot better

[3oneday]

This is what I see

[Yossarian]

It is the rating of the video adlo, just below the title, top left.

[adlo]

Because hitting it onto the garage door is too loud. I was trying to melt it onto JC's truestrike mat. The balls I am hitting wouldn't hurt anyways, but their flight path has been calculated.

[adlo]

I didn't see those rating stars.

Yes, 3, I know what you mean. And yes, I think you are right. I need to coil more and that would bring the club more on that path I think.

[zacdullard]

That is a mad setup you have in the garage.

[adlo]

Sonny, one day you can have a junk filled garage come indoor driving range too.

[haysey]

He's gone somewhere for golf I think i read ?


He's golfing in FNQ. Nice of him to bring the rain with him:roll:





Virge, any help with this hip thing? I am struggling to understand.


I had it described to me as like using a hula hoop. And yes. I have no idea....
I'm about to steal my daughters hula hoop so I have some idea how that actually feels:D

[adlo]

Well according to this... and the headcover thread.... I might as well be hula hoop-ing every day.

[Courty]

I'm about to steal my daughters hula hoop so I have some idea how that actually feels:D

So that's what that big crash I just heard was... :p

[henno]

Your swing's gayer than iron covers.

[adlo]

The only gay thing about my swing is the evil thoughts it puts in your gay mind because if its buttery smoothness.

[haysey]

So that's what that big crash I just heard was... :p



I think I broke my hip:cry:

[TourFit]

Why weren't you hitting a hybrid??? Instead of a fridge perhaps :shock:

Hands higher (more upright swing), with more wrist hinge (originally tried to write c&%k but it bleeped it out) and body rotation over your right side...then you won't hit it like a homo.

Can you transport that fridge around the course to give you something to aim at??? Will it fit into your new bag coming (or not) from TGW.

By the way, I have ordered more than a few times from TGW and they have been AOK??? Had no problems with them whatsoever...maybe they've read some of the shit you guys post (or even seen the homo swings) and have deemed that you're not really golfers at all...

JC, the Adidas 360s Red White shoes are awesome...just like wearing a pair of slippers (while not looking like you are wearing a pair of slippers - in fact looking super cool!!!). Did you want the cyan (BLUE!!!) ones?

[adlo]

The fridge does not have a home at the moment. Anyone want a nice cheap fridge in Perth????

TGW customer service dept suck. The website changes stock levels with much randomness.

Otherwise, prices are great and shipping was fast last time.

I am not going to worry about the high hands until I work out the coil/rotation thing. And I agree about more wrist ****. But one thing at a time.

[ParMaster]

OK, here is a 5 iron swing from today.

Swinging slow.... I know. Trying to keep the head down a bit and get the hips into the downswing a bit more. I feel like the swing looks a bit better. I can see that the same problems are there but I welcome thoughts from Razaar and Virge. Thanks.

Special credit goes to JC's truestrike mat and the free fridge we just scored for acting as a net. Excuse the state of the junk room- the garage.

v9X4X7LaCd0

Couldn't the ball easily come back and hit you in the chin like another WA we know of? ;)

[3oneday]

Couldn't the ball easily come back and hit you in the chin like another WA we know of? ;)

I think balls on chin is just slightly wrong.



Or not ;)

[Eag's]

Oh my god!! I hope there was no beer in the fridge ;)

[virge666]

Much better - I like it.

[TourFit]

Maybe the higher hands & more hinge WILL help the coil/rotation at the same time...

The centre of your upper body core (think chin or sternum) should move over your right leg on the backswing (...rotating against a firm right side) and on the downswing weight should be transferring to a firm left side...

I know you know this etc, but use the higher hands and more wrist hinge to get the feeling of pulling your LEFT shoulder at the top to more or less where your RIGHT shoulder was address (without dipping down toward your right hip). The hands are helping the coil by coiling you more efficiently...

That angle of arm to wrist at the top stays as long as possible in the downswing (lag & power) and all you are doing early on is transferring that weight gradually from your right foot to left and letting the upper body follow

[SeldomEagles]

Fire truck sake I ducked when that SOB came back off the fridge! If you were aiming for the door seal your only about an inch off. What has the fridge ever done to you?

[idgolfguy]

Don't the neighbors complain about the noise?

JC still hasn't got his mat?

Go to Bunnings and pick up some shade cloth. Two layers that hang off the roof struts or curtain rail across walls to the ground will do you fine for about $20. Easy to take down and then you can belt the 'truck' out of the ball without fear of injuring yourself or any passer bys.

[Courty]

Hmmm, this guy looks familiar. :-k

PDhmdbVk0l4

;)

[razaar]

Somebody should teach him to tie a windsor knot. JC would be the man.:lol:

[adlo]

OK, sure, sledge the lack of shade cloth.

Courty, weird video.

Raz, any thoughts on the swing? You know the purpose of this thread?

[adlo]

Much better - I like it.
Thanks Virge.

I hope I can translate what you and Raz said into the driver swing.

Is there anything else you would change straight away?

[3oneday]

Is there anything else you would change straight away?
your homoness.

[adlo]

Bloody hell, you are a shocker 3, you have some real issues mate.

[3oneday]

Sorry, are we on about your swing again now ?



;)

[adlo]

Mate, I liked it better when you spent all your time in the Pro Shop selling gear :mrgreen:

[3oneday]

Oh well.




You lose ;)

[adlo]

You're telling me.

[3oneday]

Hey, I told you to swing at your ears, surely that's helpful ;)


Afterall, I usually only give ho'ing advice :)

[adlo]

Good point. Thanks 3. I will look past all your homo sledging then.

[Yossarian]

I think it looks better mate, but I know nothing really :)

[adlo]

Yeah, you are a hacker.

[razaar]

On that 5-iron shot in the garage...that is desperation at its best. I love your swing tempo but am not too fussed about your takeaway. There are only two areas in a golf swing which can cause a deviation in the plane of the swing - at the start of the backswing and at the start of the downswing. Both are when the club is travelling at its slowest. What I see in your takeaway is the hands moving outside the plane from the very first move you make which puts the shaft in a laid-off position from the outset. To recover there needs to be an inside loop at the top to get the hands on an inside path back to the address position and return the shaft back through the ball on the plane set at address. My advice is to get the hands moving on an inside path and the shaft more upright (past hip high) or alternatively do the inside loop thing from the top.

[adlo]

Thanks Ray. I am not sure what you mean by loop thing so lets look at the hands moving inside and the shaft more upright. Can you expand on that at all?

[razaar]

OK....your initial move back is a hinge of the wrists which moves the hands slightly to the outside which puts the clubhead on an outside path all the way to the top. To get it back on plane (the one you have established at address) an adjustment has to be made in the transition to downswing. If it isn't the swing is outside the plane and the clubhead will come into the ball from outside. What you want is for the clubhead to be delivered from slightly inside.

[adlo]

OK. Raz, trying to delay the wrist hinge here. Also, when you say hands are outside, are you talking about if I drew a line from the grip to the floor when I swing the club back?

FwL4ubRa4Fo

[razaar]

Adam, if keep your hands in the same relationship with the shoulders or keep the triangle in tact until the swing starts to wind up, then that is a straight line. A straight line in golf swing terms is an arc on the plane that is set at address. One of the reasons we have an address position and a back swing is because of the plane and the other reason is to take the slack out of the swing. Don't get confused with the ball to target line.

[adlo]

Ok thanks Razaar, I was confused there.

How about this? I am trying more of what feels like a one piece takeaway. I have watched it side by side with my other iron video and can notice some change. Is that in the right direction?

Scottt, sideburns have been trimmed. Don't go all Monty Burns on me know though :lol:

DoUN3KLCx80

[edhannan]

Your swing looks pretty nice to me.

If you want to make your backswing a bit steeper, check out the simple tip from this Gary Edwin trained teacher:

http://www.golfrepublic.org/tips-tricks-f12/how-to-fix-your-swing-plane-path-t1114.htm

[Yossarian]

Not joking here adlo, was that in slo mo?

[adlo]

No, I am trying Razaar's 75% trick to try new things.

[razaar]

Not bad...see if you can locate a vid of Els. I'd like to see you turn first and then lift...c0cking your wrists during the lifting movement. I'm off to work now.

[Jono]

Aldo, do you have a stand bag?

[Yossarian]

He does. An OGIO.

[Jono]

Aldo, you've got a bit of an "over the top" move happening. Not severe, but still over the top.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5721/aldobackswing.jpg


The above is your backswing when your hands are about tummy height. See how flat the club is? The butt of the club is pointing WAY outside the ball.


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3691/aldodownswing.jpg

Now you have compensated in the downswing. You are coming over the top. The hands are again about tummy height. But look at the club now. The butt of the club is pointing INSIDE the ball. This is an indication that you have made an over the top loop.

Here's a drill you might want to try. You need a stand bag.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9230/aldostandbag.jpg

Stand the bag up about 1-2 feet right of your right foot in the manner drawn in the above picture. It will serve as a plane board.

Now if you bring the club inside too quickly on the backswing, the club will hit the bag. It'll stop you fanning the club open too early in the backswing. With a better top of backswing position, you'll have better chance of not coming over the top.

[3oneday]

Too tense, who swings that ridgedly ? (is that bad speeling ?)

[adlo]

Jono, thanks a heap for such a detailed reply. I will give that a crack.

[razaar]

Yep ...Jono's stills tell the story . You want your backswing to have the shaft pointing inside the ball to target line. One, because it makes the club feel light and two because the shaft will parallel the ball target line when the shoulders are coiled 90*. If you maintain clubhead lag (retain the wrist set) and start the transition in sequence (lower body leading) then the swing will flatten bringing the butt of the shaft to point at the ball target line and then the ball (which means it is on plane) before it unloads into impact. Provided of course the timing is right.
So my man, the answer is turn and lift with the thumbs pointing upwards and the forearms rotating just enough to achieve a 45* angle of the shaft during the lifting phase. You will notice immediately how light the club feels because the pull of gravity now runs through the shaft and not the clubhead as is presently the case.

[adlo]

Cool, something solid to work on there. Thanks again guys. I will post updates next week.

Raz, a little unsure what this means though:


achieve a 45* angle of the shaft during the lifting phase.

Any help?

[razaar]

Cool, something solid to work on there. Thanks again guys. I will post updates next week.

Raz, a little unsure what this means though:



Any help?
90* is vertical 45* is halfway between vertical and horizontal. Your swing in the vid is about 20*. I can see in the final phase of your backswing you are making an adjustment using the wrists by hinging the left rather than c0cking. Hinging is when the wrist flexes or extends; c0cking is when the wrist stays flat and their two movements are called radial and ulnar deviation. You seem to have achieved the latter with the right wrist and flexed the left wrist. This will give the shaft a steeper angle for the downswing (which is what is occuring) but it also gets the clubhead outside the hands when it should be trailing well behind the hands. That is a major power leak in itself....all caused by a lift and turn action at the start which starts the shaft off plane.

In your case it is important that you have the left wrist flat at the top and the right wrist semi flexed to have the clubhead trailing the hands into impact. You may have to put some padding on that fridge with your new action.:lol:

[Jarro]

adlo, i'm a little concerned about you hitting balls in the garage like that.

You could injure yourself if an errant shot rebounds of the edge of that cupboard :shock:

[adlo]

:lol: @ Razaar. I will not pad the fridge, I will melt holes in the side of that thing for fun!

Thanks Raz for the explanation. Playing golf this morning, so will start focussing on this stuff next week.

Jarro, the balls I am hitting are harmless.

[Jono]

Aldo, are you using Almost Golf balls?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtsKC_ummcU&feature=PlayList&p=4E0E01B7A19E1DB1&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdt8-hkVS_U&feature=PlayList&p=4E0E01B7A19E1DB1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

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[Grunt]

Not me. :mrgreen:

I hit the bamboo. :roll:

Me either I was safe both days. :)

[adlo]

Jono, what happens is, I MELT the golf ball with such a pure strike and it turns into harmless rubber.

Was a bit of a mess on the course today. Started very well just focussing on the head down and hip leading the swing. Hit the ball very nice, and easily 10-15m longer. However, the brain got a bit strained and game turned to crap. Anyway, I'll get stuck into this takeaway business now.

[adlo]

Razaar, you said look for an Els DTL swing, will this do?
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[Johnny Canuck]

compare your hands and clubface angle vs. Els' on his takeaway

[adlo]

I am you canadian fool.

[razaar]

Yep.. two things to look at - the angle of the shaft on the way to the top and how long he keeps his head back behind the ball after impact.
http://www.pgatour.com/swingplex/00/65/22/index.html

[razaar]

Els does a little move to start his downswing which Hogan used to do - pushes his hands further back and lowers them behind him. David Toms does the same move but not as pronounced as Els.

[adlo]

Cool.

I am looking at the shaft angle, and I did notice his head staying back a LOOONG time.

[Johnny Canuck]

get him trying all that Ray. he'll miss the fridge altogether and hopefully hit himself in the pills on the rebound off the wall.

[adlo]

There is a tarp up at the moment with a switch to shade cloth happening soon.

Sorry fwend.

[Johnny Canuck]

i'll come by and check out the setup when i pick up my mat, buddy.

[adlo]

Cool. Still interested in getting a net if I am going to hit real pills. The link that Tex posted looked the goods, but the shade cloth should do for now.

[Johnny Canuck]

what are you hitting into them at the moment?

[adlo]

They are like a golf ball hacky sack hybrid.'

I love hybrids remember.

[TourFit]

It figures that you have hybrid balls....:shock:

[adlo]

90* is vertical 45* is halfway between vertical and horizontal. Your swing in the vid is about 20*. I can see in the final phase of your backswing you are making an adjustment using the wrists by hinging the left rather than c0cking. Hinging is when the wrist flexes or extends; c0cking is when the wrist stays flat and their two movements are called radial and ulnar deviation. You seem to have achieved the latter with the right wrist and flexed the left wrist. This will give the shaft a steeper angle for the downswing (which is what is occuring) but it also gets the clubhead outside the hands when it should be trailing well behind the hands. That is a major power leak in itself....all caused by a lift and turn action at the start which starts the shaft off plane.


Razaar, any tips in achieving this? Have been giving myself a headache today trying to get the shaft more vertical on the backswing and eliminating the lift and turn action.

Looking at the videos of my swing today I appear to be achieving very little :(

[razaar]

Adlo it has to be a one piece take away to hip height then get the thumbs pointing upwards, keep turning and lifting the arms c0cking the wrists (not hinging them, the shaft stays in line with the left forearm). It is a good idea to take note of the shaft angle at address and get the left arm in a parallel position to that angle at the top with a flat left wrist and both wrists under the shaft, This is the perfect plane position at the top which doesn't need any corrections.

[simmsy]

They are like a golf ball hacky sack hybrid.'

I love hybrids remember.



Adlo - is this what you're using?

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hardly make you feel manly would it?

"hey 'darl I'm just going out to the garage to play with my floppy"

[adlo]

Nothing gets past you simmsy :lol:

Razaar, the video chopped the top of the swing off, but here is a still of my takeaway trying to get the shaft closer to 45 degrees and stop the wrist breakdown. What do you think?

[TourFit]

Whoa, that tarp looks cheap and nasty....

....just like your swing :mrgreen:


Seriously though, it DOES look better.

[adlo]

The tarp is a makeshift. Need to get some shade cloth and get serious, but this miserable weather has sapped my golf motivation for the week.

Yeah, I think the swing looks better too.

[Pieface]

Looks like you are still a bit flat and outside the plane as per Jono on the last page but I'm a complete numpty *shrug*

[adlo]

Yes, but it seems to be going in the right direction, ie more upright

[Pieface]

Yes, but it seems to be going in the right direction, ie more upright


Agreed more upright than before.

[razaar]

Nothing gets past you simmsy :lol:

Razaar, the video chopped the top of the swing off, but here is a still of my takeaway trying to get the shaft closer to 45 degrees and stop the wrist breakdown. What do you think?
Adam, that looks very good. The important part of the swing is to lower the hands behind you and keep the shoulders still to start the downswing as you shift the weight onto the left side. Your right elbow position is superb... your left elbow will need to get in this same position at the opposite side of the swing, which will confirm your swing has stayed on plane.

[adlo]

Thanks for the continued advice Razaar.

Here is the same position, still is a little dark:

[razaar]

Thanks for the continued advice Razaar.

Here is the same position, still is a little dark:
Looks to me like your spine angle has gotten more upright through contact where the posture and spine angle shouldn't change. Put a straight edge on the screen in line with your posture in the backswing pic. Leave the straight edge on the screen and check it with the second pic. Can you see a change?

[adlo]

Yeah, might be related to my tendancy to lift through impact do you think?

[just]

There's a new hybrid for your new swing:
http://www.adamsgolf.com/products/hybrids/problack.php
It's a lot nicer to look at than all those pictures of you.

[adlo]

Just, why are you so unkind?

That hybrid is HOT. Adams have been releasing way too many products of late, but my god, that is a bewdy!

[Yossarian]

I think I have found my new 4 hybrid.

[just]

Not unkind, just honest. My mom told me honesty is the best policy. Those hybrids look the goods don't they!

[adlo]

Oh yes.... how much will they cost me from the cupboard of shame next year?

[razaar]

Yeah, might be related to my tendancy to lift through impact do you think?
I think it is caused by the head staying with the left shoulder as it moves left in the downswing. This could be caused by a few things, the obvious one being too much tension in the shoulders. It is important the left shoulder moves away from your face when the hands drop downwards. If you feel off balance there is a fair chance the head is moving left early in the downswing. A stable head = good balance.
http://www.pgatour.com/swingplex/00/65/22/index.html

[LarryLong]

Maybe the weight of those sideburns is making it hard for you to control your head?

Just a thought. :)

[TourFit]

:smt038:smt038:smt038

Gold.....

(Idea Pro Gold perhaps !!!)

[adlo]

LarryLong, you have proven your worth as a sledging expert.

And those sideburns have had a trim :oops:

[Yossarian]

Hahaha just saw this gold.

Serious for a moment though, the last couple of rounds I've played with you you've hit the ball a lot better. No tops or anything.

I think you are on the right track! :)

[adlo]

Cheers Yoss.

The tops were something that came out of the blue for a few months. Never struggled with it before.

The frustration for me at the moment is finding the fairway. Used to be my strength and is now my weakness.

Some of the shots today were pure. The 6 iron on #5 was the best iron shot I have ever hit. Hit it too far, but I didn't care. The timing felt sensational.

I think the advice in this thread has been bloody great, and I am very grateful to razaar and Virge. Just keen to get it in the muscle memory.

[razaar]

Thanks for the comment Adam appreciate it; I'm sure Virge feels the same.:D

[Johnny Canuck]

glad to see you guys are helping aldo out.

[adlo]

I might start hitting it harder JC!

Raz, if I get the chance to have a hit with you one day, I owe you a beer or ten.

[zacdullard]

What is your handicap aldo?

[adlo]

15 young man

[zacdullard]

That is what good golfers play off 8)

[adlo]

15 is the magic number Zac.

Razaar, thanks again for the tip on spine angle.

I have spent some time running some down the line Pro swing vision videos side-by-side with my crappy swing. Seeing how the Pros avoid "standing up" made me realise how I am coming out of the shot instead of pushing the right shoulder through the shot with the hip. Hard to describe, but it was as clear as day watching the videos.

I am going to get a video up to show what I mean. Initial results are very promising.

[simmsy]

Adlo, slight threadjack here but your the king anyway.
netting in the garage hows it going?
I move into the new house in a couple of weeks and thinking of doing a bit of a net thing up. looking at some type of railing system so i can slide the net in and out of the way for parking the car. Have you thought much into this yet and type of netting to use?

[adlo]

Haven't thought too much about it.

This link Tex provided (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Golf-Cage-Practice-Netting-Heavy-Duty-Practice-Net_W0QQitemZ200381424377QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Gol f_Accessories?hash=item2ea7a9e2f9&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_647wt_1163) looks like decent gear, but I have a problem with the height of where I would need to fix it too. The fixing point is very high. So I need to find something bigger or work out a new idea.

[mike]

wtf? Eleven pages. Should I bother? (I didn't read the other one)

[adlo]

Not really Mike. Some good advice in here but most posts are sledging me. So if you want to join in on that, just fire away, no need to read the thread.

[razaar]

Adlo this is a swing to get inside your head; would be perfect for you to copy, even down to the strong lefthand grip.
http://www.pgatour.com/swingplex/02/06/28/index.html

[adlo]

Why would I want to downgrade my swing Raz? :razz:

Cheers for that, nice link.

[mike]

Not really Mike. Some good advice in here but most posts are sledging me. So if you want to join in on that, just fire away, no need to read the thread.
I'll read it when I get some spare time.

[adlo]

Yeah, I would prioritize the backyard walk

[mike]

Hey, I was doing some research.

[mike]

OK I've read all 11 pages.

In this swing...
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...and this swing ...
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...and this swing ...
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... you hit the fridge in exactly the same spot each time.

I'm impressed.

[adlo]

Mike..... I aim to please!!

Driver accuracy has abandoned me.

Today I hit 1 fairway from 7. On the last tee I hit 6 drives (for practice). I hit every single drive in the middle of the club and they all went WAY right.

The ball striking has improved, no doubt. I hit my irons straight and solid all day. Compression on iron shots has improved a lot. But the driver..... oh my, am I struggling.

[LarryLong]

It's not an alignment issue? Maybe you used to align your driver incorrectly to compensate for something that isn't happening anymore?

Or maybe you need to align the driver incorrectly to compensate for something that is happening now?

Worked for me a while ago.

[Yossarian]

His alignment seemed ok, to me that is... :)

[adlo]

It's not an alignment issue? Maybe you used to align your driver incorrectly to compensate for something that isn't happening anymore?

Or maybe you need to align the driver incorrectly to compensate for something that is happening now?

Worked for me a while ago.

You know LL, it was my logical solution, and it has been an issue in the past.

I will get out to the range tomorrow with some alignment aids and get to the bottom of it.

[mike]

Why don't you imagine a fridge 240 metres up the farway and aim at that?

[adlo]

That is genius :lol:

[Johnny Canuck]

yes it is.

[TourFit]

Mike..... I aim to please!!

Driver accuracy has abandoned me.

Today I hit 1 fairway from 7. On the last tee I hit 6 drives (for practice). I hit every single drive in the middle of the club and they all went WAY right.

The ball striking has improved, no doubt. I hit my irons straight and solid all day. Compression on iron shots has improved a lot. But the driver..... oh my, am I struggling.


Just in time for The Cut too...:shock:

I also think that rather than visualising the fridge, aldo seriously needs the real life fridge...plus it gives Yoss something USEFUL to do, parking it up the fairway. Maybe he could carry the fridge in his new super-duper Ogio :mrgreen:

[Johnny Canuck]

you could use a few fridges around that could to help with target lines.

[adlo]

Just in time for The Cut too...:shock:

The good thing about the Cut is that you can put driver away for most of the course if it isn't working.

you could use a few fridges around that could to help with target lines.
I only have 3 fridges. Would that be enough?

[Johnny Canuck]

Put one on 10, one on 18 and try and blow one up in an effort to destroy both 11 and 17. Should fit perfectly between the greens.

[adlo]

I'm on it.

[razaar]

Adlo, when you check out your alignment with the driver make sure that the triangle you establish at address faces squarely at the ball target line and not left of it before beginning the takeaway. Because the ball is forwards in the stance there is a tendancy to have the face facing the ball and if the shoulders even slightly follow the alignment of the head, then the plane of the swing (the imaginary hoop laid on an angle with the ball and the base of the neck) is facing left of the target. This isn't so much a problem with the irons because the clubhead at address is about the middle of the stance. A good way to not get into the habit of putting the face directly at the ball is to have it facing the middle of the stance and look at ball with the left eye. This way you can get the feeling of hitting past yourself with a wood which is the correct feeling.

[adlo]

Hmmm, interesting. Razaar, I will see how that goes, heading to the range shortly. Thanks.

[TourFit]

Hey, great tip Razaar, thanks.

I'd just read your post and picked up my driver and...BINGO, eggsactry as you said, the plane of my arms was pointing left (focusing in 'front' of the ball, or left shoulder slightly back). Have been hitting heavy fades OR straight pulls on quite a lot of drives lately...

[adlo]

OK, update on this.

Whatever I have changed is causing me to struggle with the longer clubs. I am not compensating with the hand and late hip drive as per my original swing video. Clubface was also a little open. Alignment was fine.

However, I got talking to one of the teaching pro's at Burswood who I kinda know. He spent a little over 2 hours with me (for the price of 30min lesson :mrgreen: ) and did a good quality video of the swing. He highlighted the exact same issues as Razaar and Virge. I am going to have a few lessons with him to try and work through these things with someone watching me hit balls instead of video's in this thread.

I will continue to post some updates.

By the end of my range time (and 165 balls later) I was hitting the ball a lot straighter.

[Yossarian]

That guy knows how to hit a straight and looong drive.

[adlo]

He is a genuinely nice bloke and has a great approach to the swing and teaching.

[Johnny Canuck]

Is it a brown guy?

[simmsy]

bloody hell JC, how you hitting them mate?
I can't hit a the side of a barn from 20mtr atm and Adlo looks to be in the same boat, you know his head will explode at some point on sunday with all the changes he is trying to implement. Hows our 4th playing? i hope he is a gun!

[Johnny Canuck]

We'll be ok if you guys can get 3 decent drives each and make a few putts.

[razaar]

That's the only way to improve Adam, under professional supervision. Ask him to fully explain to you the underlying processes involved in the cause and effects of crooked shots. The one thing we can rely on to tell us what we have done is how the ball flys in the air. To be more specific, off-centre impact, off-line swing and clubface off-line to swing. These are the only way to hit crooked shots and a detailed knowledge of how they relate to wood and iron shots is a very valuable asset to have. Look forward to reading about your progress.

[adlo]

Is it a brown guy?
Yep. South African. Grew up playing basketball and went through high school with his cousin. Have met him a few times over the years. He taught for 6 years at one of SE Asias biggest resorts somewhere in Singapore.

bloody hell JC, how you hitting them mate?
I can't hit a the side of a barn from 20mtr atm and Adlo looks to be in the same boat, you know his head will explode at some point on sunday with all the changes he is trying to implement. Hows our 4th playing? i hope he is a gun!
I walked away from the range much happier today Simmsy. Will have a prac again tomoz and 18 holes Saturday morning. My brain will be fresh for Sunday.

We'll be ok if you guys can get 3 decent drives each and make a few putts.
Exactly right. We can both putt simmsy, just need to find A FEW fairways each. Shouldn't be too hard.

That's the only way to improve Adam, under professional supervision. Ask him to fully explain to you the underlying processes involved in the cause and effects of crooked shots. The one thing we can rely on to tell us what we have done is how the ball flys in the air. To be more specific, off-centre impact, off-line swing and clubface off-line to swing. These are the only way to hit crooked shots and a detailed knowledge of how they relate to wood and iron shots is a very valuable asset to have. Look forward to reading about your progress.
Will keep you posted Razaar. The good thing is, I have been hitting a lot of shots out of the middle, which is making it a lot easier to understand what is going on, because it has been consistent.

[mike]

Just bumping a quality thread.

Adlo, how's the fridge?