Drivers which is King? for you

[zigwah]

I've only hit 2 new drivers the macgregor MT 460 and Titty 909 D2, but i think my old macgregor mad mac was better than both of them, how bout you guys?

[moree golfer]

My 425TP is king, but the 510TP is a good backup. I have used Callaway, Ping and Titleist drivers and have found TM are better for me. Interestingly I don't like the Burner but haven't given it much time, one round with a demo model, probably the shaft had something to do with it too.

[Jarro]

TM R7425tp = 8)

[Johnny Canuck]

I love my Adams A3 Insight 10.5. I think the next thing to replace it will be the exact same club. It is the most forgiving driver I have ever hit.

I was 7 for 7 in fairways hit with it my last round, which is unheard of for me.

I also had to buy a jug of beer for not hitting my 3 wood past the ladies, which lead to me hitting it 7 times in a round, which normally never happens.

[Minor_Threat]

Still love my Cally Great Big Bertha II Pro Series after many years.

[PeteyD]

07 Burner TP

[henno]

Are we talking heads only?

If so, the MT460 was a very nice head. The shaft just sucked for me.
The 909 series I also liked - more than the 907 actually. (Although much of that might be down to placebo; very sexy drivers with a nice sound. Enough to distract me from the shitty shots.)

The Geek DCT is a gem. 450cc of beauty, for those of us without the ego constraints of having to play name-brand gear. In saying that, the R7 shallow I have in the bag at the moment is very nice, but spanks me when I swing like a gumby.

[Lucasto23]

Mt460 is king for me at the MO, but the new cobra s9-1 Pro s is going to knock it squarley out of the bag IMHO

[zigwah]

Have you hit the Cobra yet?

[henno]

I say don't bother Lucasto. You belt that Macca pretty well.

[Lucasto23]

Have you hit the Cobra yet?

Yeah but only on launch monitor, machine said it was great. But we will see what real life say's

[Lucasto23]

I say don't bother Lucasto. You belt that Macca pretty well.

What kind of Ho would that make me henno:smt108

[3oneday]

Yep, I have a headache trying to answer this one......

[Captain Nemo]

Even with all the new gear out there my R7 425 TP is still in my bag!

[henno]

What kind of Ho would that make me henno:smt108

Well said. It's always the tool and never the tradesman. I should know better. :mrgreen:

[zigwah]

I finally found my mad mac, my son had it, i'd forgotten i'd cut it down for him when he was a little tacker.

Might put a shaft in it and see how it goes against the 460

[the_man]

Ping G10 is my weapon of choice. Strangely enough I love the stock ping shaft in it.

[PeteyD]

Yep, I have a headache trying to answer this one......


Haha!

[Jarro]

Ping G10 is my weapon of choice. Strangely enough I love the stock ping shaft in it.

Very underrated shaft IMO

[PeteyD]

http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/bus_driver.jpg

[Jarro]

My 425TP is king, but the 510TP is a good backup. I have used Callaway, Ping and Titleist drivers and have found TM are better for me. Interestingly I don't like the Burner but haven't given it much time, one round with a demo model, probably the shaft had something to do with it too.


Even with all the new gear out there my R7 425 TP is still in my bag!

Is there a better looking clubhead out there ? 8-)

[zigwah]

Is there a better looking clubhead out there ? 8-)


Pics?

[PeteyD]

http://valueguide.pga.com/images/TM/Woods/r7_425_tp_large.jpg

[Jarro]

http://valueguide.pga.com/images/TM/Woods/r7_425_tp_med.jpg

[zigwah]

what do they go for now?

[kwantfm]

909 D2... it's making me consider selling my 510 TPs...

[zigwah]

909 D2... it's making me consider selling my 510 TPs...

I'd like to try the 909 D2 with a different shaft

[Jarro]

909 D2... it's making me consider selling my 510 TPs...

:shock:

Surely not ALL of them ;)

[henno]

:shock:

Surely not ALL of them ;)

You'll be first in line, no doubt. :mrgreen:

[Jarro]

You'll be first in line, no doubt. :mrgreen:

Of course ... they might become collectors items one day 8-) :mrgreen:

[Moe Norman]

I play a Ping Rapture, niot the ultimate - but it will do for now. wouldn't mind trying one of the new Mizuno's.

I still have the 510TP though :)

[Geoff06]

Superquad 9.5 with Grafalloy Blue S at 44.5" is working for me.

Tempted to try an R9 460 but put off by the shaft length.

[Johnny Canuck]

http://valueguide.pga.com/images/TM/Woods/r7_425_tp_med.jpg

Beautiful driver. I had the non-TP, which made me a hook machine. I'd love to hit the TP version.

[Webster]

For almost 2 years, nothing has come remotely close to pushing the Mizuno MX500 out of the bag. Easily the finest driver I have ever used that wasn't made of wood.

[henno]

What shaft's in that baby, Jack? Surely not the stock Exsar?

[Webster]

Harrison Mugen.

The stock exsar is a very good shaft btw.

[Dazza]

07 Burner TP

It'll take one helluva driver to knock my Version 1 from the bag.

Only other driver I've used recently was a 3DX Square, also did the job well. Consistent, but very closed & not all that long.

[zacdullard]

Is there a better looking clubhead out there ? 8-)

Actually, I believe there is!
http://teeitupgolfstores.com/images/smooth.jpg

Well the wilson smooth is my weapon of choice.

Not as long as some others but it is deadly straight.

[zigwah]

For almost 2 years, nothing has come remotely close to pushing the Mizuno MX500 out of the bag. Easily the finest driver I have ever used that wasn't made of wood.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned any persimmon woods yet.

[henno]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned any persimmon woods yet.

Persimmon woods are the Model T to the modern 460cc titanium driver.

[zigwah]

there were some mighty fine persimmon woods made henno

[henno]

There were some mighty fine Model Ts made as well, zigwah.

[zigwah]

these babies would still pump em out there

[henno]

And Model Ts will still drive you to the shops.

[Yossarian]

30- love

[zigwah]

Have you ever hit a nice persimmon wood Henno?

[henno]

Have you ever hit a nice persimmon wood Henno?

Yes.

I think you are misunderstanding me, Zig. Persimmon woods are nice for the same reason that Model Ts are nice. Not because they are faster or better, but because they are what they are: an important piece of history.

[Johnny Canuck]

these babies would still pump em out there


Your thread is about "which driver is king for you?".

Have you forgotten this?

Persimmon is not king for anybody, which is why no one has mentioned them. Call it a hunch.

[zigwah]

My brother has been using my fathers old Gary Player specials, and we can both put out the 1.5 on average the same distance as the MT460 and that's one with the centre you have to tap back in slightly with a ball after every drive :)


And the feeling of a well struck persimmon is imo much better than titanium. I also think the sound of a well struck persimmon wood is one of the sweetest sounds

[zigwah]

Your thread is about "which driver is king for you?".

Have you forgotten this?

Persimmon is not king for anybody, which is why no one has mentioned them. Call it a hunch.

I would buy one if they brought them back on the market. Maybe with a titsnium insert?

[henno]

Maybe with a titsnium insert?

I wish my driver has a titsnium insert.

[henno]

And what is the loft of the Gary Player Specials?

I bet it is higher lofted, which probably just gives you and your brother more carry. A 460cc titanium driver of the same ideal loft/flex will go further and straighter. No question.

[Yossarian]

http://i39.tinypic.com/w7or5j.jpg

Oh and I really like my Sumo when its going straight :)

[Dotty]

I would buy one if they brought them back on the market. Maybe with a titsnium insert?
Zig, I've noticed that Louisville Golf still does a range of persimmon woods, including a titanium insert ...

http://www.louisvillegolf.com/index.php/cPath/1_56

The dished cavity fairway woods look tempting.

ps. And some of the putters.

[zigwah]

Zig, I've noticed that Louisville Golf still does a range of persimmon woods, including a titanium insert ...

http://www.louisvillegolf.com/index.php/cPath/1_56

The dished cavity fairway woods look tempting.

ps. And some of the putters.

they look the goods the best of both worlds maybe.

Someone buy one i wanna know if they are the shit

That is a really cool website Dotty

[Grunt]

No Driver for me at the moment. Hopefully the L4V will come home soon. Not sure I really want to play the L5V again.

[Courty]

My favourite was the R510TP, but the driver which best suited me was the TMTBTPWB.

I sold both. :oops:

[BrisVegas]

i have a thing for the 905S. But I quite liked the 510TP & 425TP.

[Yossarian]

My favourite was the R510TP, but the driver which best suited me was the TMTBTPWB.

I sold both. :oops:


Why? An offer you could not refuse?

[Ned]

Zig, make sure you drink Raz under the table, about time he got a good hangover to match the blue jocks!!!!!!:lol:

[adlo]

Why? An offer you could not refuse?
Because he has a disease

[Courty]

Why? An offer you could not refuse?


Because he has a disease

Spot on. Obviously, I caught it from Haysey. :lol:

[zigwah]

Zig, make sure you drink Raz under the table, about time he got a good hangover to match the blue jocks!!!!!!:lol:

I never underestimate the drinking prowess of anyone even when they say they don't drink much.

[Ned]

I never underestimate the drinking prowess of anyone even when they say they don't drink much.

Yes well given the company he kept in his "younger" days and the places he has been, he can be on my drinking team any day!!!!!!:D

[adlo]

Zig, Jack's MX500 call is a good one.

For a twice superseded model that could be found cheap, drivers do not come much better.

[AlexMc]

909D2. Best driver I've hit.

[markTHEblake]

There is very little difference in drivers these days, they have maxed out the size, the length and the COR, so they all go the same distance.

[TheNuclearOne]

It's all about the fit now isn't it, and personal preferences on many levels (F.A., spin, feel). For the very high spin and launch player a head like the 907D2 for e.g. won't spin low enough no matter what the shaft. Get them in, say, a 9015D or S9-1 Pro D and they will find many yards in spite of the core. Put a player that struggles keeping the ball in the air and these low spin heads will seem like duds.

I'm liking a 9015D very much. Sensational driver head for those looking for VERY low spin and a lower launch than the new norm.

[3oneday]

I'm liking a 9015D very much. Sensational driver head for those looking for VERY low spin and a lower launch than the new norm.
How much ?



when it hits the pro shop I mean :lol:

[BrisVegas]

anyone had the chance to compare a S9-1 Pro D and a 909D3 ?

[giddyupgaz]

Actually I went to a Cobra/Titleist demo night at Albert Park last nigfht quite by accident.
Not sure if i am the right person to be giving someone else advice or even my opinion but...
The D3 sounded and felt a much better club to me (disclaimer - hitting range rocks), but the Cobra pro actually got a better flight path for me and probably out drove the D3 overall. BUT - I can't handle the Cobra noise or feel, to harsh on both counts.
I also had a crack at the D2, much more my flight path and feel. i do not bomb the ball though so I am sure the other models would suit bigger hitters better.

In all, none of these out drove my 4DX tour, if this club was a touch more forgiving it would be a permanent in my bag, but my inner ho keeps me looking for the perfect driver.

[Captain Nemo]

Whats a 9015D?

[just]

An Adams A4 variant.
http://www.sellingerspowergolf.com/images/Insight_Tech_a4_Driver%202.jpg

[3oneday]

Did you hit one Just, it rates highly for an Adams (and is holding value as well, which is just weird)

[just]

Did you hit one Just, it rates highly for an Adams (and is holding value as well, which is just weird)

Haven't yet. They don't make it in a 12* and I'm scared to try 10.5's again. Everyone I've talked to rates them highly. I think peter-rs has one.

[zigwah]

Zig, Jack's MX500 call is a good one.

For a twice superseded model that could be found cheap, drivers do not come much better.

I'm pretty much set with the mac 460 and may end up with 909 my bro hates, told him to put a new shaft in it, not sure if he will, i would have to end up organising it it for him


But if i changed sometine down the track, for a cheap option i would give the MX500 and the TM 475 was it? a go.

[dc68]

Peter Brock or Ayrton Senna, I can't split them.

[Captain Nemo]

Mark Webber!

[Timbo]

I've had the Mizuno MX-500 with the stock Exsar shaft in the bag for a while now. It is a very good driver and has seen off challenges from a couple of R510tp's and an R7425 in that time.

[TheNuclearOne]

How much ?



when it hits the pro shop I mean :lol:


Hahahaha, nah this one is a keeper. GREAT driver.

[TheNuclearOne]

An Adams A4 variant.
http://www.sellingerspowergolf.com/images/Insight_Tech_a4_Driver%202.jpg

Sorry, this IS the one i have. All that is different from the LDA earlier proto is the paint job.

[TheNuclearOne]

Whats a 9015D?


Hottest driver on the WRX forums. Open faced, super low spin, reasonably forgiving and hot, hot, hot.

[goonie]

Hottest driver on the WRX forums. Open faced, super low spin, reasonably forgiving and hot, hot, hot.

I hit a retail one of these and the speedline on tha LM and got pretty much the same numbers as my R7 Limited, and they were marked 9.5", 1 less than the R7. The A4 had a Matrix XCON shaft in it and I was told and it appeared to be a real one, but I don't know much about these shafts.

[TheNuclearOne]

I hit a retail one of these and the speedline on tha LM and got pretty much the same numbers as my R7 Limited, and they were marked 9.5", 1 less than the R7. The A4 had a Matrix XCON shaft in it and I was told and it appeared to be a real one, but I don't know much about these shafts.

It's not a real one, and is average. Slower and smoother swingers might like it a lot tho. Based on the code 6 but softer in the tip, more torque and just not as tight. Some like it, but many don't. It also seems to be at least half a flex soft.

With a shaft that suits it is going to be WAY WAY lower spin than the R7. Nothing in the retail TM line is going to spin as low. Try it outdoors if possible, they are a bit loose with the stock shaft but you'll definitely see the length potential.

[3oneday]

I hit a retail one of these
does that mean you hit a 9015D or something else ?

[henno]

They are one and the same (effectively), aren't they? (the retail and the proto version)

[3oneday]

That's why I asked... wasn't sure if his post meant there were two types or what.

[henno]

Then I guess he means he hit the one with the retail graphics.

Kinda like hitting the non-TP R9 head :-)

[just]

There is only one I thought. The retail is called the prototype 9015D, its written on the driver (http://www.adamsgolf.com/products/drivers/a4.php). I think goonie was unsure of whether the matrix was a real one or a made for.

[TheNuclearOne]

The 9015D (red and black) and Adams A4 9015D (pictured above) are identical heads excepting paint job. This club was originally not going to be released apparently (they and the 9016D were aimed at long drive) but it was so liked by the standard golfer they painted it up and released it. The 9016D is even lower spin than the 9015D and of heavier build i believe. A real LD type head.

[TheNuclearOne]

Just one thing, a guy that struggles a lot with the right side would not use this head. Not that it is fade biased, but simply that it is open and looks even more open.

[goonie]

does that mean you hit a 9015D or something else ?

Sorry, retail means it's badged as an A4 Tech, not sure if there are any other differences. And the matrix does not have any made for adams on it.

[oncewasagolfer]

I have a mx500 which I have tried a few different shafts in but for some reason was not to my liking and have since lent it to a geriatric to try. I Keep going back to the cleveland launcher can balloon a bit but if I tee it down gives a good flight and is long enough.

[TheNuclearOne]

Sorry, retail means it's badged as an A4 Tech, not sure if there are any other differences. And the matrix does not have any made for adams on it.

Of course it is made for Adams. No driver is going for the price of the A4 with a bonafide $300 shaft in it.

Check out the cost to "upgrade" to the real code-6. $420, and $63 to upgrade to a plain old UST V2. There's no authentic Matrix shaft with 60-s on it. You pick the Adams Matrix pulls up for $40 all day on ebay usa. As said, it's a watered down shaft based around the code-6. It's sure no code-6 tho. Adams has verified this.

The A4 head is exactly the same head as the previous LD proto.

[goonie]

I just said it didn't have any made for markings on it like the TMs etc have, and appeared to look real, like some pics i've seen, but i also said i didnt know much about this shaft, and that the guy at the shop said it was real.

[TheNuclearOne]

It's definitely got that rich Matrix color scheme. You actually said it had an "XCON" shaft, in that case for whatever reason it would be real as the stock Adams Ozik in the A4 doesn't have XCON written anywhere on it. I'd be surprised if they had such an upgraded club on hand tho. The S9-1 made for Ozik has Xcon-6 on it, but it's also got Cobra on the shaft. It is a watered down Xcon-6. These OEM's love watering down shafts. These two, the Titty Speeder, even some NV's too.

Given the player the Cobra Pro is aimed at i can't see the reason they water them down. These are supposed to be their better player driver, not their driver for the masses, yet they then put in a shaft more often suited to the masses than the target buyer. Even the real deal Xcon-6 is hardly what i would call super hard to play. Maybe it's cost cutting, but surely they could put in a shaft stiffer in the tip that plays to flex.

[3oneday]

I remember trying to find the Adams Xcon spec on the Xcon website, it wasn't there.

[goonie]

I think it is a OZIK XCON 6 from memory, but I can check on the weekend.
The adams website just says "PREMIUM MATRIX OZIK SHAFT" for the Insight Tech A4

[Baz]

Tour Edge Exotic 10.5 with fugikara shaft

[henno]

Tour Edge Exotic 10.5 with fugikara shaft

Is that like a Tayror Mai Drybah? :D

[3oneday]

I think it is a OZIK XCON 6 from memory, but I can check on the weekend.
No, the shaft says Matrix Ozik 60, which isn't here http://www.matrixshafts.com/ozik_xcon.html. So effectively, as TNO says, it's a made for like all the rest.

[goonie]

No, the shaft says Matrix Ozik 60, which isn't here http://www.matrixshafts.com/ozik_xcon.html. So effectively, as TNO says, it's a made for like all the rest.

I don't think so, but as I said I may have a look on the weekend.

[gazgolf1]

Ping G10 10.5 VS Proto 60s.

[rick3003]

07 Burner TP

[Captain Nemo]

I was waiting for you to rub it in!
Should never have got rid of that beast.

[3oneday]

I have one too 8)

[Captain Nemo]

Oh please, thats all i need!
Dont tell me, 07 with Grafalloy prolaunch red stiff?

[3oneday]

Nup, 07 Burner TP with 50 Gram X, goes super !

[Captain Nemo]

That would be right!
I'm still struggling with my hyped up TMTBTP!
I thought you hated TM Crap?

[3oneday]

I thought you hated TM Crap?
yes, I do. Don't tell anyone.

I've been in the closet for a while now ;) Only the driver though, it was cheap enough so that I didn't feel dirty :)

[peter_rs]

9015D is good I went from a 8.5* 4dx and ft3 to a 10.5*. It has been in my bag since just before the champs.... however I'm starting to look for a new driver.

[TheNuclearOne]

No, the shaft says Matrix Ozik 60, which isn't here http://www.matrixshafts.com/ozik_xcon.html. So effectively, as TNO says, it's a made for like all the rest.


Here's a link to one that just sold in wrx if it works.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=268712

$40, which is the going rate.

Just to clarify once and for all here is Matrix' own comments regarding exactly what the Adams shafts are or are not

The Driver and Fairway shafts that Matrix is making for Adams Golf (Matrix OZIK 60-S and Matrix OZIK 70-S) are based on the Matrix OZIK Code-6 and Code-7 platform, but they are not the aftermarket models. They also do not have the Boron "hinge" design.

The Matrix OZIK 60-S and 70-S are very good designs and we did meet our performance goals with them, but the ball flight goals were different than our aftermarket models, so changes had to be made.

As a general rule, anytime Matrix makes a shaft for a club manufacturer, the wording of the logo tells the story. If the logo wording is modified in any way (i.e. Matrix OZIK 60-S or "Titleist Exclusive Design"), then the product has been changed to meet the manufacturer's goals. Matrix makes a policy of changing the logo wording anytime the shaft is not exactly identical to the aftermarket version.

Got one yet 3? Your maye Tim is selling them pretty cheap, and had X flex too the other day :lol:

[Scottt]

I can't go past the Sumo. It is a beast. Straight as a honeymooner's dick and pretty long. I was tempted by the Cally, but not enough to toss the Sumo out of the bag.

[just]

12* G10 with Ping TFC shaft. Best Driver ever!

[Yossarian]

Which model and shaft do you hit scott?

[Scottt]

Non-tour 4950 with VS Proto 65-S.

[Bruce Dickinson]

did have a Cleveland Launcher 400 8.5 with stiff shaft and loved it...it got pinched and replaced it with Launcher 330 8.5 stiff almost new for $91 delivered off ebay. It's better than the 400 so that's a thank you to the c..ksucker currently using my stolen driver.

[Scottt]

Have you almost replaced the whole set, Bruce?

[PeteyD]

07 Burner TP. I now have 2, stock Reg and trying a Bassara 73g Reg.

[Bruce Dickinson]

Have you almost replaced the whole set, Bruce?

not yet scotty, got a new adams 3 wood arriving next week and a new Ping putter last week. Still arguing with the insurance company about the replacement value of what was pinched, and therefore can't get the irons until thats sorted.

The Launcher 330 was a win though :lol:

[zigwah]

who won MX500?

[Jerrymoo]

I really liked the Tour Burner TP. Had one with a Diamana White 73 in the bag for a long time. Solid golf club.

[goonie]

THO you are correct, the retail A4 Tech does have a 60-S matrix shaft. But no other tell tale marks.

[macjackass]

Still keen on my 909 d2 with axiv core black (Thnx Virge). Only thing tempting me is an ft-9 tour with a fancy aftermarket shaft.

[daMANiack]

Hi,

I can see the FT-9 Tour teamed with a Grafalloy EPIC, should be a really good combo, I just can't to grips with the stock Fujikura Pro shafts.

Cheerz :) :D ;)

[Flavzz]

Thought this would be relevant to this thread..

Had a go at a Titleist/Cobra demo day setup down at Kerry Ellis Range at West Beach today..

Hit the 909D2 and DComp. Also hit the Cobra S9-1 D and S and also the S9-1 Comp D. The Pro thought I would be better off hitting a Stiff shaft which was a wake up call as I've been playing (struggling) with an R Flex for the past 10 years

Must say I did like both the cobra and titleist, the Dcomp was a bit more solid but the D2 was also nice. Classic look at address. Found the 9.5 in the D comp was a good loft and the 10.5 in the S9-1 was the go. both with stiff shaft..

Also hit their range of irons as well, AP1 and forged MB's mmmmm....

I get the feeling most of the new drivers these days are so similar in performance its just a personal preference as to which one feels better to you as long as you get the shaft and loft right for your swing..

Would like to try the R9 next, and new burner..