Calling the ball hos - advice needed

[Scottt]

There are a shiteload of new balls on the market since I last looked at buying pills. I still have some Z-URSs and HX Tour 56s left, but after that I am looking at a different ball.

What are the good matches at the moment for a 90-100mph swing speed, 150m 6i carry/205m driver carry?

I'm looking for spin, but it's not the be all and end all. What are the NXT Tour spin rates compared to the premium balls? Is there a spinnier 2nd tier ball than the NXT Tour?

What's the longest of the premium/tour balls?

[Johnny Canuck]

I find the longest premium ball to be the Taylor TP Blacks.

[mikezone13]

I find the longest premium ball to be the Taylor TP Blacks.

LDP or non-LDP?

[adlo]

LDP's I think he has used.

Z Star gets my vote. Most impressive ball I have ever used.

[Jarro]

Z Star gets my vote. Most impressive ball I have ever used.

I'll nominate the Z stars as well, most impressive ball :smt023

[Scottt]

Sorry, Adlo and Jarro, I can't take your word for it. You haven't won 57 times worldwide, including 3 majors... :lol:

[adlo]

Touche

[Iain]

It's 56....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Zd5oBK_3Y

[simmsy]

for premium pills I'm liking the taylormade red of late, like the Z-urs also good but the TM feels alot softer off the putter face. they stand up really well in the wind too.

for 2nd tier i reckon the Vision Gelcoat is gonna be great when it is released and also the bridgestone e6+ isn't too bad.
the NXT Tour has alot more driver spin than the e6+ and Vision but no more hold around the green though.

[Scottt]

That's how I found the NXT last time I used it.

I was using a Pro V1 alongside a Z-URS and a HX Tour 56 the other day and it had a much softer sound/feel off the putter that really sat well with me.

[Dotty]

It's 56....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Zd5oBK_3Y

Maybe there was a 'victory' in 1985, that we aren't supposed to talk about.

ps. I have to laugh at Google.
Type in Vijay Singh and first option on drop-down list is the C word. (No, not that one.)

[adlo]

Z Star

[Iain]

Hearing plenty of good things on the z-star...

[adlo]

LDP's I think he has used.

Z Star gets my vote. Most impressive ball I have ever used.


Z Star


Hearing plenty of good things on the z-star...
At least 2 :lol:

Lets not forget Dwayne loves it....

[Scottt]

Sounds like the name of a new rapper out of the Dre/50 Cent stable :lol:. Might have to buy a sleeve and see how they suit me.

[henno]

Sounds like the name of a new rapper out of the Dre/50 Cent stable :lol:

Especially in the American accent: Zeee Starrr

[Pinglauncher]

Scott, for a cheaper ball give the Srixon Super Soft a try. For me it is half a club longer than the NXT Tour, softer off the putter and still has pretty good green side spin. Found them to pull up quicker than the NXT Tour.

[Scottt]

Is it the closest Srixon ball to the premium stuff?

How does it compare to the AD333?

[Johnny Canuck]

LDP or non-LDP?


LDP's I think he has used.

Z Star gets my vote. Most impressive ball I have ever used.

The LDP is the longest premuim by far.

I loved the Z Star when using it for 9 yesterday.
9/9 greens in reg, 6/7 fairways with the one miss being by a couple feet.

Straight, long, durable and nice around the green. I'm going to start playing in the group behind Aldo so that I can find some on the weekends.

Aldo, let me know if Squizzy's starts running some specials on these bad boys in AA condition.

[Johnny Canuck]

Is it the closest Srixon ball to the premium stuff?

How does it compare to the AD333?

Not sure about the Super Soft being a Srixon option. I think he could be referring to the Soft Feel. Nike makes a Super Soft.

The Tri-Speed is the Srixon equivalent of the NXT-Tour.

The Soft Feel and AD333 are similar pills. Both not too bad for the price.

[Pinglauncher]

Is it the closest Srixon ball to the premium stuff?

How does it compare to the AD333?

I have not tried the AD333. For around the greens you can't go past the Pro V1 but I have lost swing speed over the last 12 months and was thinking about trying a different ball.

Found one of the Srixons at Carnarvon a couple of weeks ago and gave it a try. Was pretty impressed and picked up a couple of dozen from Squizzy's at $29 / doz :smt023

[simmsy]

JC - have you used the TM Red's?
How much difference is there between the black and the reds?
They say the black has more spin but i get more than enough out of the reds.

[Pinglauncher]

Not sure about the Super Soft being a Srixon option. I think he could be referring to the Soft Feel. Nike makes a Super Soft.

The Tri-Speed is the Srixon equivalent of the NXT-Tour.

The Soft Feel and AD333 are similar pills. Both not too bad for the price.

Yeh my bad :oops: it is the Soft Feel from Srixon.

Well priced ball too :wink:

[Scottt]

I'm not too fussed about price. I just want a ball that isn't really short that will give me good spin on short irons and 20-30m pitches and feel soft off the putter.

I gather the tour balls that are lower spin are still higher spin than an NXT/TriSpeed?

[Johnny Canuck]

JC - have you used the TM Red's?
How much difference is there between the black and the reds?
They say the black has more spin but i get more than enough out of the reds.

Tried the red for the first time yesterday. It lasted a hole and a tee shot.

The reds are supposed to be the equivalent of the ProV1, so I gather they would spin more for slower swing speeds.


I'm not too fussed about price. I just want a ball that isn't really short that will give me good spin on short irons and 20-30m pitches and feel soft off the putter.

I gather the tour balls that are lower spin are still higher spin than an NXT/TriSpeed?

I have found that to be the case.

[the_man]

I am in the same boat as you scott, looking for a ball that will spin off the wedges, feel nice off the face of the putter & still be long off the tee.

Did you say you had used the NXT Tour? Did they spin much on the green? How does it compare to the prov1?

I have been using rock hard balls as I've only been playing about 8-9months but my golf is getting much better so I had a round with a prov1x today and loved it. First time I've seen my ball pitch and suck back about 20cm :)

[Scottt]

For me, the NXT was amazing with the woods and irons, about 5m longer through the set than the ProV, and it putted alright, I just found that around the greens, on 10-20m shots, it had no bite at all.

I actually did a side by side comparison of the ProV and NXT Tour somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

[dwayne]

I am in the same boat as you scott, looking for a ball that will spin off the wedges, feel nice off the face of the putter & still be long off the tee.

Did you say you had used the NXT Tour? Did they spin much on the green? How does it compare to the prov1?

I have been using rock hard balls as I've only been playing about 8-9months but my golf is getting much better so I had a round with a prov1x today and loved it. First time I've seen my ball pitch and suck back about 20cm :)

NXT Tour similar to the premium balls of the other companies.

It is known as the poor man's Pro V1 in the States, same spin on full shots just not quite as much around the greens but it is a bit longer.

[Scottt]

:lol:

It isn't a shade of shit on other companies' premium balls, if by premium you are referring to Z-UR range, HX Tour range, Nike One etc.

Here is the ProV vs NXT Tour comparison I did back in late 2007


After a long while playing ProVs, I decided recently to test out the new NXT Tour to see what kind of difference it would make to my game.

I have played five games at five different courses in the past week and feel I've hit the NXT enough in enough different conditions to make a few observations.

Feel: the NXT is obviously not as soft as the ProV, but it still feels nice off the clubface. I hit a ProV, NXT and a rock one after the other off one tee and the NXT felt much closer to the ProV than the rock. The NXT putts very well (using an Odyssey WhiteHot) and feels great where at times the ProV might even have been too soft*.

Distance: I feel like I'm about 5-10m longer off the tee and about 5m with my irons. Obviously ballflight isn't all of that iron distance, because where the Pro V hit and stopped on the green with the irons, the NXT releases about 3-5 feet with a PW-7i and about 5-8ft with a 6-4i. It was surprisingly easy to alter my game to play for the release, though I still have to accept that a front pin behind a pot is now a no-go zone. The big difference was that even if I caught a ProV thin, it would stop fast, but the NXT will release about 20ft.

Accuracy: The upside of that reduced spin rate is that I have become much more accurate off the tee. Yesterday I hit 10 of 13 fairways at Woolooware, and last week I was 9 of 14 at Horizons. I have always been pretty straight off the tee, but the NXT takes it to the next level. Likewise on approach shots. Gentle 3-5m draw. Like clockwork. The added bonus of the extra distance means I'm happier hitting hybrid and 3wood off the tee now.

Chipping: this is where the difference is most noticable. With a ProV I could just play a 9i off my back foot with a little punch of the wrist on a greenside chip and it would grip on its second or third bounce and check up. The NXT doesn't want to know about it. I'm still getting used to it, and in time I'm sure I will adapt, but it is certainly the area where the difference between the two balls is most pronounced.

Durability: The NXT is unreal if you don't hit a lot of trees. Also doesn't get ripped up by my Y-Cutter sand wedge grooves. Ball that is kept in play is good for 36 holes - and i'm fussy about ball condition.

Overall: I'm glad I made the change. I kinda started playing the ProV cos my mates did, and now I realise that was a bit like a family man buying a Ute because he thinks they're cool, obvilious to how impractical it is. I will stick with the NXT and see what the outcome is, but my handicap has dropped 0.8 in a week, and if that trend continues I might just volunteer to be on the next ad!

*The white hot is a soft insert. obviously. Hard to say how it would compare off a non-insert putter.

[simmsy]

NXT Tour similar to the premium balls of the other companies.

It is known as the poor man's Pro V1 in the States, same spin on full shots just not quite as much around the greens but it is a bit longer.


I don't think I could agree that the NXT tour is anywhere near as good as the Srixon Z-urs or other top range balls especially around the green. The NXT has very little hold on half chips where as you can get the zurs or tm Red/black or any other premium ball to pretty much stop on the bit.

To me if green side control is in the top end of your wish list for a ball you have to go to the premium range, all the others pretend they have greenside control I've found.

[Scottt]

Probably true, Simmsy. Perhaps one from the distance side of the premium market would be up my ally.

Is the HX Tour 56 the spin ball or the distance ball of the Tour/Tour 56 range? How about the Z-URS?

[simmsy]

Adlo, correct me if im wrong here, but did you say you had read somewhere that the TM TP Black/Red was the longest on a robot test?

I have found that using the TM TP Red & Srixon Z-urs that I haven't lost any noticable distance from the NXT Tour. I'm pretty picky on the distance of the ball as I'm not a big hitter so always wanting to hit as short an iron into the green as I can. I found the ProV1 was shorter for me though and also the Bridgstone 330/S?

[Scottt]

I might try the Z-URS for a while then. I bought six with some comp winnings before I left Aus, but have been faithful to the HX Tour 56 since then.

[the_man]

http://thesandtrap.com/balls/titleist_nxt_tourextreme_balls_review

Found that article where they do a bit of a review on the NXT Tour. Sounds like it would probably suit my game & budget. I think I will grab a dozen of those from

[the_man]

... squizzys

[henno]

Is the HX Tour 56 the spin ball or the distance ball of the Tour/Tour 56 range?

Softer, more spin, without question.

[Scottt]

Thanks Henno.

[oncewasagolfer]

I used a srixon soft feel on saturday in conjunction with a couple of the vision balls that I was testing and they are really not that bad. They are soft but not overly so off of the putter but of course you dont get the spin that you do with a premium ball. They are worth a try imho. Personally I prefer the one platinium or z-urs cant say I have noticed a great loss in distance others have claimed with the nike ball and they are superb off of the putter.

[Lucasto23]

give the bridgestone 330 RX a try, it has all the benifits of the B330 tour for guys who are sub 105 swing speed these are great. softer on the putter than the hx and spin just as much if not more.

[Johnny Canuck]

I used a srixon soft feel on saturday in conjunction with a couple of the vision balls that I was testing and they are really not that bad. They are soft but not overly so off of the putter but of course you dont get the spin that you do with a premium ball. They are worth a try imho. Personally I prefer the one platinium or z-urs cant say I have noticed a great loss in distance others have claimed with the nike ball and they are superb off of the putter.

We have a guy at our club that loves the Soft Feel. The other week he gave me 9 ProV1X's because he doens't hit them. I love the Soft Feel for that aspect only!

[Scottt]

He didn't know he could go to the pro and swap those 9 ProVs for 300 soft feels? :lol:

[Johnny Canuck]

I've got a couple guys in the club that like supplying me with them. I played two rounds with a guy over the weekend and ended up with another 3 or 4 that he pulled out of the bushes. Aldo also threw me a mint one that me found.

It's nice golfing with guys that don't use the same ball that you do.

[Scottt]

Bloody hell!

As a regular ProV user, what is it you like about the ball over and above other premium balls?

I might give the Z-Star X a go this weekend and see how it fares.

[Johnny Canuck]

I get a little more distance with the X than I do with the 1 with my higher swing speed. I can also get enough spin with it around the greens.

If I am playing a course with super fast greens, I will sometimes flip back to an 1.

Try the Z-Star, before trying the Z-Star X. it is the one I have tried and it was great.

[Scottt]

Have you tried the Z Star Johnny? If you have, how did it differ from the ProV?

[Johnny Canuck]

Played 9 with the Z Star. Felt a little more solid than the ProV, but very nice and soft around the greens as well. It was very durable as well.

I was very impressed and wouldn't hesitate to use them in any comp.

[Scottt]

Sweet. A few good side-by-sides at WRX say the Z Star is a good package.

Anyone want to buy 6 HX 56s and 6 Z-URSs? :lol:

[Golfnut]

Scottt, I think once you really try out the Z-URS you will never go back to a Cally ball ever....they are simply superb....I'm itching to try the Z-Star now, didn't think they could improve on the Z-URS but obviously they have. Only thing to watch with the Z-URS is the Side spin if your a bit of a slicer, once it starts going right it goes like a bat out of hell.

I have to give a big plug for the Nike One Platinums....fantastic in windy conditions....first few rounds with them I felt like I was losing distance compared to the Z-URS but now its quite the opposite, hit one of my longest drives on Monday with the Nike. Green side feel and putting feel are as good as the Z-URS IMO and you get a really nice solid feel off the driver without feeling hard. It seems to have much less side spin than the Z-URS too.....so far I've hit my 2 best scores ever using the NO Platinum....and my putting just feels lovely. To tell you truth, I have 3 dozen brand new Z-URS's in the cupboard but each time I go out to play I keep on reaching for the Nikes.

[adlo]

simmsy, the TP Black was the longest ball tested. However, I have found the Z Star just as long (obviously the test was last year).

The ZURS is a great ball, but IMO the Z Star is light years ahead of it. A big call I know, but I do mean light years.....

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RTmN7TipawE/R_J8HJEFQ4I/AAAAAAAAAbw/G0nYEEVcBlI/s400/jamiroquai-712619.jpg

I have never really enjoyed Titleist ProV1's. I have always rated the TP Blacks and ZURS above them.

The 330RX is a good ball, but the Z Star is also aimed at sub 100mph SS players and just outperforms the 330RX in every way (also cheaper).

It is a great ball for the wind and durability is amazing for a premium ball.

Scottt, from reading the WRX thread myself, try the Z Star, not the X. Even a lot of high SS players are finding joy with the Z Star. Even JC swings at 115-120 and loved the standard Z Star.

[Scottt]

Yeah, and while I am not after max spin, if it is longer than the x, that suits me.

[adlo]

Scottt, I have tried a lot of premium and mid range golf balls. I have never been looking for crazy spin, you just want something that behaves itself on the green and reacts with consistency. It is amazing how hard that is to find.

While I am raving about the Z Star, I would be just as happy to play a ball like the e6+ or Boz's Gelcoat, but I find they only suit soft greens. Once greens firm up in summer time (which hopefully you get to experience :) ) these balls are often found wanting. As winter approaches, I will probably switch back to something of that sort.

[Iain]

Tried the red for the first time yesterday. It lasted a hole and a tee shot.

The reds are supposed to be the equivalent of the ProV1, so I gather they would spin more for slower swing speeds.

Johnny, pretty sure the tp/red ldp's are now the prov1x equivalent, the original tp/red was the higher spinning ball, but with the introduction of the ldp they switched it around to match the Titleist, red for the lower spin ball, black for the higher spin ball.

The original tp ball's were the opposite though.

[adlo]

Iain, you would be correct!

[Scottt]

Adlo, that is indeed worth considering. Conditions on the links in summer are said to be by definition very firm and fast, so the most spin I can get, the better. Very different to playing a western Sydney parkland where 5mph is a decent wind and my 100kg frame leaves an imprint in the greens year round.

[Iain]

Iain, you would be correct!

Damn straight!!! :mrgreen:

Scott, most people would do well to use a spinnier ball, as it would help keep drives straighter and make for a better short game.

Maybe I need to take that advice!! :roll:

[Scottt]

Iain, would a spinnier ball not also accentuate sidespin, leading to bigger hooks and slices?

[Iain]

Nah, the greater backspin would negate the sidespin more, I believe.

[CobraSS]

Nah, the greater backspin would negate the sidespin more, I believe.


:???:

[jaybam]

Still say go get some srixon z stars not the z star x . Great ball :)

[TourFit]

Actually greater backspin DOES negate some of the sidespin on a drive...however a 'spinnier' ball will slice/hook MORE if that is the spin direction put on it.

In reality most people are NOT ideally suited to the high wedge spin / low driver spin premium balls...but I won't go and open THAT can of worms! Suffice to say that the importance of lower driver spin is misunderstood by most AVERAGE players, higher greenside spin is only useful with consistent, crisp contact on wedges, and so on...

The way I tell my clients to ball test is as follows...

Find the TYPE of ball that suits your swingspeed, price etc (gotta be honest too!)
Buy 5-6 balls of that same type by different brands...(eg: Srixon AD333, Titty NXT Tour, Callyway HX Hot Bite, Bridgestone E6+, TM Burner TP - ALL 'mid' priced, 2nd tier, "COMPROMISE" balls.
Go to the putting range and putt. Measure feel, distance control etc - rank 1-5pts.
Go to chipping green and chip (long and short, bump 'n' run and spinnier chips). Measure feel, required spin rate, distance control etc - rank 1-5pts.
Hit 1/2 pitch shots (lower and higher, roll-out and grab shots). Measure feel, required spin rate, distance control etc - rank 1-5pts.
Hit full wedges. Measure feel, required spin rate, distance control etc - rank 1-5pts.
DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT DISTANCE !!!!! Most of the scoring in a round is done at or around the green...distance is going to be negligible. Ballflight may vary 'slightly' due to spin issues but GENERALLY will be overall LESS important than the PUTTER FEEL, GREENSIDE SPIN & CONTROL.
There is NO SUCH THING AS THE PERFECT BALL!!! Within the same ball type category there is mainly FEEL / PERCEPTION differences rather than amazing performance differences. And only one person can measure feel !!!

[Iain]

Actually greater backspin DOES negate some of the sidespin on a drive...however a 'spinnier' ball will slice/hook MORE if that is the spin direction put on it.

But there'll always be more backspin than sidspin, otherwise the ball wouldn't go up....??

[henno]

The ball can only spin around one axis. I guess, if you're a slicer that axis will be tilted to the right slightly. If it is a high spin ball, there will be more revolutions, but perhaps on the wrong axis. Or at least the same tilted axis, but with a higher rpm, shooting it even further right.

[Johnny Canuck]

Johnny, pretty sure the tp/red ldp's are now the prov1x equivalent, the original tp/red was the higher spinning ball, but with the introduction of the ldp they switched it around to match the Titleist, red for the lower spin ball, black for the higher spin ball.

The original tp ball's were the opposite though.

Sons of bitches at Taylor. I checked before I picked some up, but must have read an old article that stated Taylor went with "vintage" colouring, black for the harder ball, red for the softer. I didn't know they switched.

I'll be liking the reds a lot more now and have to really give them a go.

I still found the black longer than anything else I hit, but I hit a ProV1X further than a ProV1.

[Iain]

Yeah, you'd think they tried to confuse everyone!!

[Johnny Canuck]

I just searched around the net for a bit and found this from a guy that emailed TaylorMade and asked them which compared to which:

Update: The response we received from TM clarifies that the balls are the same as they were last year: TP Red = V1 = higher spin, lower launching ball of the pair and TP Black = V1x = lower spin, higher launching ball of the pair. The PR we were sent had contradictory language and has since been fixed.

[Iain]

Really? Even though on the box for the TP Red LDP, it says; "For higher spin players", which to me means it reduces spin??

https://www.lostgolfballs.com/images/products/main/New-TaylorMade-TP-Red.jpg

[Johnny Canuck]

I've read a bit of stuff on the balls and it is a little confusing. Maybe they mean the reds are for people that want higher spin?

[adlo]

I read something with The Goose talking about switching balls depending on conditions.

His summary agrees with my, and Iain's, original thoughts on TM LDP balls. Red reduces spin for higher SS and the black is when he wants more spin. So it would appear to me they did make the switch.

[mikezone13]

Check the ball comparison on the Srixon site, that makes it heaps easier...

Pro v1x = Srixon Z Star X = TaylorTP Black = Nike One Tour D = Bridgey Tour B330 = Cally HX Tour = Cally Tour IX

Pro v1 = Srixon Z Star = TaylorTP Red = Nike One Tour = Bridgey Tour B330S = Cally HX Tour 56 = Cally Tour I

Hope that clears it all up

[adlo]

Looks like TM staffers can't even keep with them then!!

[Johnny Canuck]

Looks like TM staffers can't even keep with them then!!

They're confused because of people like Iain and yourself that keep messing with everyone else's heads.

[dwayne]

Really? Even though on the box for the TP Red LDP, it says; "For higher spin players", which to me means it reduces spin??

https://www.lostgolfballs.com/images/products/main/New-TaylorMade-TP-Red.jpg
seems they are still learning the golf ball business

[Scottt]

yawn

[TourFit]

And add to that....TM state that the LDP versions are 15% softer and more spin than the previous versions !!

I've played the TM balls for quite a while and I much preferred the original TP Red (less spin) than the newer LDP.

The TaylorMade website states that the TP Red is lower launch, lower spin than the TP Black (as it has ALWAYS been with these balls!!!). That means that it suits guys who hit with more natural spin (ie higher swing speeds or higher ballflights) and that the black is for lower ball hitters etc etc etc

Retief was right in what he was saying, he plays the Black when he wants more spin...

[Ned]

Ok, off the TM balls at the moment, opinion on the new Pro V's as opposed to the 2007/2008 models ?

Which ones are better ?

[adlo]

Ask dwayne.

[Scottt]

I'll sub in for Dwayne: something along the lines of ProVs are the shiznit and any other brand's premium ball is similar to a DT SoLo. The 07/08 ProV was like Sinatra crossed with Bach, the new one is The Beatles + a Lamborghini x Chuck Norris benchpressing The Hoff.

[adlo]

I was buying that until you mentioned the Chuckster. There is no way he would have anything to do with those patent infringing bastards.

[Scottt]

Chuck Norris can stop a Hotdot in its pitchmark on the roof of a Mini from 300m away anyway. He has no use for premium pills.

[adlo]

Chuck Norris once shot -54 around Pine Valley. He had to roundhouse kick the super after the round, conditioning was terrible and he was actually trying to shoot a decent score.

[Johnny Canuck]

Chuck Norris sold Braddles a putter that wasn't in mint condition but he was too afraid to do anything.

[adlo]

Chuck Norris melted a drive and the polar ice caps melted.

[Scottt]

Chuck Norris left his tee shot on 17 at TPC Sawgrass 30 yards short, wandered up and chipped in for birdie, then hushed the crowd and told them they should only cheer for things that are actually hard.

[Iain]

They're confused because of people like Iain and yourself that keep messing with everyone else's heads.

Chuck Norris wouldn't be confused.

[dwayne]

I was buying that until you mentioned the Chuckster. There is no way he would have anything to do with those patent infringing bastards.

still in the courts Aldo.

[Scottt]

Dwayne- it';s on appeal, a court ruled against your uncle Wally. Live with it.

[oobsadd2]

Sort of feel like a threadjack talking about golf balls...but
I got a dozen Nike platinum from Squizzys, impressive service. Any comments on the ball?

[henno]

Sort of feel like a threadjack talking about golf balls...but
I got a dozen Nike platinum from Squizzys, impressive service. Any comments on the ball?

Never hit it, but about to tomorrow. Picked up a few fo' nuffin. Worth a crack I reckon.

[oobsadd2]

The way Mickleson kept on pumping it past Tiger last week, maybe the ball is holding him back :)

[adlo]

NO Plats are very, very high spinning.

[razaar]

The way Mickleson kept on pumping it past Tiger last week, maybe the ball is holding him back :)

Tongue in cheek :) Lefty looks to be in good shape, seems to have lost the tits, actually looks like an athlete. He's always hit it ridiculous distances, with the new bod he's really getting it out there.

[adlo]

Tongue in cheek :) Lefty looks to be in good shape, seems to have lost the tits, actually looks like an athlete. He's always hit it ridiculous distances, with the new bod he's really getting it out there.
He does bomb it. However, he also looks like he is swinging hard. It must contribute to his occasional wild shot.

Most pro's seem to swing within themselves. Not McBitchtits.

[henno]

actually looks like an athlete

He only looks like an athlete compared to the other fat-ass golfers on tour.

It's like saying an MX-5 is a super car... compared to a Ford Fiesta!

But yes, there is certainly some reduction in manboobs.

[dwayne]

Dwayne- it';s on appeal, a court ruled against your uncle Wally. Live with it.

read the whole story Scott and watch for the outcome, the Patents Office will soon play its part.

[dwayne]

The way Mickleson kept on pumping it past Tiger last week, maybe the ball is holding him back :)

the Nike ball is a softer ball, Tiger is happy to sacrifice the distance for the extra spin around the green

[Scottt]

NO Plats are very, very high spinning.

They're around 8000rpm with a wedge aren't they? When I last looked they were the highest-spinning ball.

[adlo]

Scottt, closer to 12000rpm I believe. And I believe they were the highest spin ball tested in 08.

[Scottt]

12000rpm? Jebus...

[Johnny Canuck]

the Nike ball is a softer ball, Tiger is happy to sacrifice the distance for the extra spin around the green

Tiger uses his own personal prototype, not a platinum.

I read an article about how he changes the way it performs, almost on a weekly basis depending on the tournament he is playing, etc..

I thought you would know that D-Wayne!

If he doesn't perform soon, maybe people will stop buying Nike balls!

[markTHEblake]

He only looks like an athlete compared to the other fat-ass golfers on tour.

Phil Mickelson is a mean lean fighting machine compared to one aussie who is out there somewhere. Neil Kerry I think it is.

[Scottt]

People buy Nike balls?

[Scottt]

Phil Mickelson is a mean lean fighting machine compared to one aussie who is out there somewhere. Neil Kerry I think it is.

Revealled: How Phil maintains his physique!

http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/mick.jpg

[oncewasagolfer]

Tiger uses his own personal prototype, not a platinum.

I read an article about how he changes the way it performs, almost on a weekly basis depending on the tournament he is playing, etc..

I thought you would know that D-Wayne!

If he doesn't perform soon, maybe people will stop buying Nike balls!

um didn't tiger just have a win before the masters? anyways l like the one platinum not that it matters a great deal what I use but anyway feels nice:)

[oobsadd2]

Mickelson may have lost a cup size or two, but his body still looks too big for his head. He still has a way to go. Bob and Jillian would whip him into shape.
Bet hes still having nightmares about the tiddlers he missed coming home at the Masters.