So, R9 players, thoughts ?

[3oneday]

Well, Haysey, is the hype warranted ?

Ned ?

County (maybe yet to popuphit the TP ?)

Anyone else who has hit more than 5 pills ?

Does it perform as good as it looks ?

[just]

You do this just to tease Jarro, don't you?

[housey]

been playing it for a few rounds, keeps getting better and better

[3oneday]

You do this just to tease Jarro, don't you?

yessir :mrgreen:

[haysey]

Buy one. Buy one now, yesterday if possible








:mrgreen:

[Ned]

Yes.

After initial smash everything, have tinkered with the settings and what you can do with it.

Ive got the 10.5 and for someone who hits a high ball, the flight is very good and doesn't float straight up.

Taking the 3 metal out for a whack tomorrow.

[gazgolf1]

Yes.

After initial smash everything, have tinkered with the settings and what you can do with it.

Ive got the 10.5 and for someone who hits a high ball, the flight is very good and doesn't float straight up.

Taking the 3 metal out for a whack tomorrow.

Ho.

[Courty]

Very happy with mine also. I hit Haysey's last week (10.5 non-TP) and was pleased that it didn't balloon on me. I used my new 10.5 TP today and found the ballflight much the same. I'll have to hit them side-by-side to compare the different shafts, but initial impressions are that the TP wouldn't be different enough to warrant the extra $$$ (luckily I didn't have to pay the extra :mrgreen:).

[Ned]

Ho.

What can I say when I have three of the biggest Ho's in OZgolf mentoring and influencing me!!!!!!!:roll:

[Jarro]

You do this just to tease Jarro, don't you?

Yep, he's a deadset prick isn't he :roll:

I'll wait till they're a little cheaper ;)

[mike]

What's an R9?

[Johnny Canuck]

What's an R9?

The driver that will be superceded by the R11 in June.

[mike]

JC I can't get a good view of your avatar. Too small. Please help.

[virge666]

The driver that will be superceded by the R11 in June.


I thought it was the New Audi . . .

[goonie]

I thought it was the New Audi . . .

Close it's the R8 V10 :-)

[mike]

So.. the R9 is a good driver?

Sort of like the Big Bertha ?

[henno]

Check out this R9 from ebay, TXXXXX serial and all:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2126/post282712387334261.jpg

:smt046

[rodders]

just went to drummonds in melbourne cbd.....$799!!!

what a rip off.

[Courty]

just went to drummonds in melbourne cbd.....$799!!!

what a rip off.

That must have been a TP version. They have the non-TP at Drummonds up here for $649.

[gazgolf1]

So the Motore shaft is working for a few different swings.

[Ned]

That must have been a TP version. They have the non-TP at Drummonds up here for $649.

So how did the new toys go today Courty ?

[Courty]

So how did the new toys go today Courty ?

Toys? I only have one new toy. 8)

The driver was great (again). The problem is the clown hanging onto it. :roll:

[3oneday]

These sold yet ?

[kwantfm]

3, you getting one?

[3oneday]

T, probably :oops:. I quit, 4° open will have to do me :(

I just wonder if I can jag a TP as well :lol:

[kwantfm]

T, probably :oops:. I quit, 4° open will have to do me :(

I just wonder if I can jag a TP as well :lol:

Looking forward to the 3 review... which shaft are you looking at for the TP?

[haysey]

I just wonder if I can jag a TP as well :lol:




Yeah, why not. TP's for everyone other than haysey:cry:



:wink:

[henno]

This guy wants TP as well.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2505/cornholio.jpg

[3oneday]

I am thinking this is all wrong... http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcecilleyy6QQhtZ-1 maybe some of the current owners can compare. One of those "if it's too good to be true" type situations.

[3oneday]

But this one is even better :shock:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Taylor-Made-R9-Driver-10-5-Degree-Stiff-New_W0QQitemZ260389211894QQihZ016QQcategoryZ115280 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[kwantfm]

I am thinking this is all wrong... http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcecilleyy6QQhtZ-1 maybe some of the current owners can compare. One of those "if it's too good to be true" type situations.

Hilarious... all of the feedback comes from one or two transaction buyers all with horrible English and private sales!

[3oneday]

Doesn't take long though does it :(.

Having said that, the counterfeitors need to be quick or their fakes will be superceded :lol:

[Diggaboy1]

I spoke with a couple of guys who bought Titleist AP2 from ebayoyo and then went and tried to register them on the Titleist web site. They registered perfectly and came up with a authorised Titleist dealer in Asia.
Now there is 5 of them that have done it.

Why not try and Purchase through Paypal as they will insure your purchase against fraud. As the new R9 is $189 with free world wide postage.

I know! I've read all the threads about ebayoyo, but these guys registered their new AP's and all was la-git

[3oneday]

The fact that you can register something means what ? that they'll play like a proper club and not snap ? or have the wrong lofts ? Madness...

Anyway, don't sell it here later will ya ;)

[Diggaboy1]

The fact that you can register something means what ? that they'll play like a proper club and not snap ? or have the wrong lofts ? Madness...

Anyway, don't sell it here later will ya ;)


Not that I going to buy them. But it can't be any worse then a set of Callaway that has been assembled in a production line environment by an assembly worker who have never played golf let alone swung a golf club.

[3oneday]

Not that I going to buy them. But it can't be any worse then a set of Callaway that has been assembled in a production line environment by an assembly worker who have never played golf let alone swung a golf club.
I think sticking terribly copied components together and calling them a golf club is different to sticking quality components together, but anyway.

This is one of the arguments that keeps the counterfeit market alive and well :)

[Craig_Syd]

When you can get the R7 Limited for $300 or the R9 at $649 I know what I am looking to buy. To be honest most good players will find their setting and leave it right? The Matrix X-Con seems to be a good shaft.

[Diggaboy1]

I think sticking terribly copied components together and calling them a golf club is different to sticking quality components together, but anyway.

This is one of the arguments that keeps the counterfeit market alive and well :)


I agree with you for once , but how is it that they can register these AP2's on the Titleist Web Site? I have held my faith in Titleist as being a quality Product, so what happens now???

The part that shits me the most that is does matter how much you Buy from a Drummond or another retail shop they keep trying to hit you up for Full retail. Hence why we look to these sites for a fair price structure.

The people at Ebayoyo were trying to tell me the are located in New York and buy direct from the Titleist factory so they have no over heads to tack on top.

They will also give you a 30 Day full money back guarantee on their products. And well as the option to pay using Pal pal and have the protection of Pay Pal.

[henno]

They will also give you a 30 Day full money back guarantee on their products.

If they lie about authenticity, then is it really that much of a stretch to assume they are willing to lie about guarantees as well?

(and I did say "if")

[markTHEblake]

I have noticed the odd article about the place for the setup of various pro's R9,and everyone i saw, was set to Neutral + Neutral + Neutral.

[Golfnut]

Sounds like wasted technology on the pro's :)

[razaar]

I have noticed the odd article about the place for the setup of various pro's R9,and everyone i saw, was set to Neutral + Neutral + Neutral.
Only way to go. If a player consistantly hits his driver towards the toe then an open face will help to off-set the gear effect of hook spin and viceversa for consistant heel strikes. Much better for distance and ball striking to correct the swing which causes off-centre hits. It might be a simple thing like curling your toes upwards in your shoes to get the feeling of better balance.:)

[Jarro]

So it's been a few weeks that you R9 players have had the new big dog.

How is it performing compared to what you were using previously ? Worth the $$$$$$$$ :-s

[3oneday]

and, what is the word on when TM bring out the next version ???


:p

[Iain]

The R9 Maxx is out in Japan!!

I had a hit of the R9 at a demo night the other night, pretty impressed, I must say. The FCT seemed to actually work, going from an open face to a square face changed the trajectory and shape of the flight.

[Jarro]

How was the stock shaft Iain ?

[Iain]

I thought it felt ok, keen to try some of the TP shafts though.

But it's not really a good time for me to be trying new clubs!!

[andylo]

The Japanese R9 Maxx only has FCT but no MWT (only has one weight at the end tip of the club head). But the FCT allows them to open/close/blahblahblah face angle up to 3* degress.

Our R9 (with FCT and MWT) allows marketing figure of 75 yards difference but the Jap version (with FCT alone) allows 60 or 65 yard.

So far my R9 feel good. The only one I feel I can comfortable to swing with a 45" length shaft. According to TM's launchy I actually DON'T generate enough spins with my NON-TP Motera <-- or whatever it spell... shaft. So I guess its a good news for those who are after lower spin club.

Its a big change for me. I am going to a very workable club from a hit straight only club and the dispersion is more obvious when mishit. But I like it :)

[3oneday]

So is the Jap one MAXX because it is high COR ? I thought the COR restriction was now worldwide ?

[Iain]

3, I think it just cause it's 460cc.

A-lo wouldn't a higher spin driver be more workable? Afterall you need the spin to work the ball?

[andylo]

Dunno, I hook and slice it quite alright compare to the SUMO then I look at their website and they promote the R9 is quite workable.

But I would have thought higher back spins counter side spins.

[haysey]

I'd buy one.:mrgreen:



I'm about to get some sleeves so I can get into some shaft hoing

[Iain]

Where are you getting the sleeves from?

[3oneday]

They are on ebay.com, saw some this morning when I was restocking on something ;)

[andylo]

Apperantly there're "TOUR ISSUE" sleeve!!!

Some claims the retail version (.350 hosel) and including TP (which has .335 hosel) can only have up to 1 degree adjustment. But the TOUR ISSUE one can have full 2 degree either side.

I don't know how it works thu.

[haysey]

Where are you getting the sleeves from?


They are on ebay.com, saw some this morning when I was restocking on something ;)



Wot 3 said....


What are you restocking. Is it something I need:mrgreen:

[3oneday]

Nup.... wrong loft ;)

[PeteyD]

Ghey.

[razaar]

The Japanese R9 Maxx only has FCT but no MWT (only has one weight at the end tip of the club head). But the FCT allows them to open/close/blahblahblah face angle up to 3* degress.

Our R9 (with FCT and MWT) allows marketing figure of 75 yards difference but the Jap version (with FCT alone) allows 60 or 65 yard.

So far my R9 feel good. The only one I feel I can comfortable to swing with a 45" length shaft. According to TM's launchy I actually DON'T generate enough spins with my NON-TP Motera <-- or whatever it spell... shaft. So I guess its a good news for those who are after lower spin club.

Its a big change for me. I am going to a very workable club from a hit straight only club and the dispersion is more obvious when mishit. But I like it :)
Is this the club you nailed just with at McLeod?:)

[Courty]

:lol:

[andylo]

huh? :)

[Scottt]

Who has actually changed the head setup from course to course or because of weather/wind and made a valuable difference?

I can't help but feel it's like a road car with a speedo that goes to 260km/h - it looks impressive but will never really be useful.

[razaar]

huh? :)



The 8th is a doddle
1. Slice drive onto edge of 9th fairway.
2. 5 iron to 50 cm short of little creek crossing 8th and then almost get sconned in the noggin by andylo's drive on the 9th.
3. Pitch onto green
4. sink putt for easy par.

Now the 17th on the other hand, is a **** of a hole.
This one.:lol:

[3oneday]

On crose out already ?

Good ruck... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TAYLORMADE-R9-DRIVER-TP-10-5-DEGREE-SHIPPING-FREE_W0QQitemZ120409506952QQihZ002QQcategoryZ1517Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Lucasto23]

On crose out already ?

Good ruck... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TAYLORMADE-R9-DRIVER-TP-10-5-DEGREE-SHIPPING-FREE_W0QQitemZ120409506952QQihZ002QQcategoryZ1517Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It really looks mint doesnt it:lol:

[haysey]

IF ITEM NOT AS DISCRIPTION, WE ACCEPT REFUND

:mrgreen:

For some reason I like this line....

[3oneday]

Seriously though, I just had a look through DHgate.com again to see what they were selling. I'd almost buy a set of irons on the cheap except I'm afraid the loft of the 3 iron would match the 9 iron !

The saddest thing, you can now use Paypal on DHGate. This means an ebay company is supporting the counterfeit trade. Hypocrisy ???

[grandmasterb]

I had a hit of one the other day and changed the set up a couple of times and im still of the opinion that i dont like the weight kitted clubs (quad, superquad etc) other than the 425 TP.

Solid club but id still prefer to step upto each tee and be able to hit my draw, fade or straight shot with my adjustments not the clubs!!!

[Jarro]

I had a hit of one the other day and changed the set up a couple of times and im still of the opinion that i dont like the weight kitted clubs (quad, superquad etc) other than the 425 TP.

Solid club but id still prefer to step upto each tee and be able to hit my draw, fade or straight shot with my adjustments not the clubs!!!

Apart from the 510TP, this is still one of the best drivers TM has ever produced (IMO) :smt038

[andylo]

This one.:lol:

:lol:

So it's not that accurate then :mrgreen:

[virge666]

Apart from the 510TP, this is still one of the best drivers TM has ever produced (IMO) :smt038


Did you know they have more than 40 players on the USA tour using them.

That ain't bad for 3 months of production.

[Iain]

I think Jarro's talking about the 425....

[Jarro]

Did you know they have more than 40 players on the USA tour using them.

That ain't bad for 3 months of production.

The 510TP ???

[3oneday]

Did you know they have more than 40 players on the USA tour using them.

That ain't bad for 3 months of production.


The 510TP ???

That's what I thought he meant too :lol:

[virge666]

That's what I thought he meant too :lol:


Sorry lads - my bad. I meant the R9 - i was actually on topic... :)

It won't happen again.

[Iain]

Sorry lads - my bad. I meant the R9 - i was actually on topic... :)

It won't happen again.

No wonder there was confusion!!!

[Jarro]

I was referring to the 425TP Virge.

How do you rate it in the greater scheme of things ?

[virge666]

I was referring to the 425TP Virge.

How do you rate it in the greater scheme of things ?

Way better than the 510TP. Especially with a decent low kick shaft.

Easy to move the ball a little bit - but hard to really turn it a lot. Perfect for my kind of game.

[haysey]

I was referring to the 425TP Virge.

How do you rate it in the greater scheme of things ?


I took Courty's old 425TP out for a bash yesterday arvo.

It's as long as the r9 but the r9 is more forgiving. Of course that may have been the x-flex shaft that the big lunkhead has stuck in the TP:roll:

[3oneday]

Oh ?? Count has a 425 TP ???

[Jarro]

Oh ?? Count has a 425 TP ???

Maybe if you ask him nicely he might sell it to you ;)

[haysey]

Hmmm ok it's a superquad...this one http://www.ozgolf.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11944





Still a telegraph pole for a shaft:D

[BrisVegas]

the black paintjob didn't gve it away??? :lol:

[haysey]

the black paintjob didn't gve it away??? :lol:



:mrgreen:

It's the rarefied atmosphere I tell you:oops:


That and I've been deskbound all day:cry:

[3oneday]

FFS :roll:



:lol:

[Courty]

I took Courty's old 425TP out for a bash yesterday arvo.


Oh ?? Count has a 425 TP ???

FFS. :roll:




It's as long as the r9 but the r9 is more forgiving. Of course that may have been the x-flex shaft that the big lunkhead has stuck in the TP:roll:

With comparable shafts, the Superquad would definitely be longer. With the factory stiff Rombax that came in it originally (now in my V-Steel 8)) I hit it places I've never been with any other driver.

[3oneday]

10 listings on aussie ebay.

Anyone care to guess how many are legit ?

http://sport.shop.ebay.com.au/items/_W0QQ_dmdZ1QQ_dmptZAUQ5fSportQ5fGolfQ5fEquipmentQQ _sopZ10?_nkw=r9&_sacat=1515&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=&_osacat=1515#item150341361316

[adlo]

I would say they have all been listed by Ozgolfers who are too ashamed to admit it is a crap driver by selling it in the classifieds.

[3oneday]

:lol:

Sell it 4° closed and throw the tool away !

[adlo]

:lol:

[Iain]

Guy at my local store reckons the 460 is coming out in about a month and will be a lower price point than the current 420.

[adlo]

How long will I have to wait for a 448.53cc model? That is my preferred driver size.

[goonie]

Guy at my local store reckons the 460 is coming out in about a month and will be a lower price point than the current 420.

The lower price makes sense as it doesn't have the MWT, but bring it out in a month doesn't.

[BrisVegas]

since when have TM model cycles made sense?

[3oneday]

The lower price makes sense as it doesn't have the MWT, but bring it out in a month doesn't.why wouldn't it have MWT ?

[goonie]

because it has already been released in japan, the R9 Max.

[3oneday]

I wouldn't gauge it on what is in Japan.

[goonie]

time will tell

[Iain]

The Max from Japan actually has MWT, but it's only the rear single weight. The 460 has a non removable weight like the burner series.

[Iain]

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/monthly_04_2009/post-23277-1241033073-3.jpg

http://www.tourspecgolf.com/gallery/main.php/d/31774-2/DSC05694.jpg

You can see the MWT in the Max, but none in the 460....

[henno]

That makes no sense. Why wouldn't they just keep the single MWT weight in there?

[Iain]

So they can bring it in a lower price...??

It'd be easier, then it make for easy adjustment of swingweight.

[Jarro]

Taylormade rules !!!!!

Clearly the leader in driver technology :mrgreen:

[sms316]

Taylormade rules !!!!!

Clearly the leader in driver technology :mrgreen:
Been drinking much?
:roll:

[Iain]

Been drinking much?
:roll:

Probably depends if it's his day off!! :mrgreen:

[3oneday]

Where'd you get the pic Iain, Golfwrx ?

[henno]

Where'd you get the pic Iain, Golfwrx ?

Considering that the pic is hotlinked directly from golfwrx, I'd say yes. :mrgreen:

[henno]

So they can bring it in a lower price...??

It'd be easier, then it make for easy adjustment of swingweight.

Would it really be much cheaper for a fixed weight as opposed to a removable one?

After all, the fixed weights are still removable, just factory removable, aren't they?

[kwantfm]

I'm assuming that tolerances for the removable weight probably need to be tighter (in order to avoid litigation!). There is probably a small incremental cost. They've done this before. The R5 series prior to the TP had fixed weights. Japanese V-steel has a fixed weight.

[henno]

As someone that works in the metals industry, shelling out 600 bones for something the size of my fist tells me that tolerances should be a non-issue.

I can buy a nut and bolt from bunnings for less than a dollar with tolerances that would be fine for the MWT. I don't buy it.

I think that once again it is marketing gurus laying the foundation of a perception of value for future models by intentionally omitting features from current models. It is clever marketing, creatio ex nihilo, nothing more.

They need to flog this horse for a few years yet. They don't want to peak too early.

[kwantfm]

As someone that works in the metals industry, shelling out 600 bones for something the size of my fist tells me that tolerances should be a non-issue.

I can buy a nut and bolt from bunnings for less than a dollar with tolerances that would be fine for the MWT. I don't buy it.

I think that once again it is marketing gurus laying the foundation of a perception of value for future models by intentionally omitting features from current models. It is clever marketing, creatio ex nihilo, nothing more.

They need to flog this horse for a few years yet. They don't want to peak too early.

Okay... I'll stop trying to be charitable! My cynical self agrees with you 100%.

[henno]

Man, I can't wait to buy one of these :razz:

[Iain]

Where'd you get the pic Iain, Golfwrx ?

Yeah 3, tourspecgolf for the Max, golfwrx for the 460. A guy on golfwrx has 3 of the 460's. Apparently he's reputable for TM tour stuff...

[Golfnut]

Sh!t now i'm really confused !?!?!?
It cheapens the image/reputation of the R series drivers by porning off so many cheaper variants for the almighty $$$.

[Iain]

Yep, it's sad....

Plus, if you buy a driver and 3 wood, you get a hybrid for free!!

[zigwah]

Went to Drummonds today, and had a squizz but all ended when i asked if they had any demos BOWMP BOWMMMMM.

What's the go a 600 daniro Driver and you can't even try b4 you buy, they can get stuffed!!

[kwantfm]

Which Drummonds was this Zig?

[Jarro]

You don't need to try before you buy with this club ...


... it's the bestsest driver ... EVER !!!!!!!!!!!

[zigwah]

Which Drummonds was this Zig?


Shepparton

[henno]

Went to Drummonds today, and had a squizz but all ended when i asked if they had any demos BOWMP BOWMMMMM.

You didn't take your brother along with you did ya? :mrgreen:

[zigwah]

You don't need to try before you buy with this club ...


... it's the bestsest driver ... EVER !!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure it is :)

[goonie]

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/monthly_04_2009/post-23277-1241033073-3.jpg

http://www.tourspecgolf.com/gallery/main.php/d/31774-2/DSC05694.jpg

You can see the MWT in the Max, but none in the 460....

You can't call that Movable Weight Technology because you can't move it, Maybe CWT, Changeable Weight Technology, :-) So that means I was right when I said it doesn't have MWT ;-)

[Golfnut]

Never quite understood the theory behind the weight thingy in my Burner.....anyone got an idea what it does??? Bit more swing weight for a very light club head!?!?!

[Golfnut]

You didn't take your brother along with you did ya? :mrgreen:

LOL!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:

Think they seen these boys coming and put all the demos away :mrgreen:

[goonie]

Never quite understood the theory behind the weight thingy in my Burner.....anyone got an idea what it does??? Bit more swing weight for a very light club head!?!?!

It's so they can adjust the SW of the finished club.

[zigwah]

You didn't take your brother along with you did ya? :mrgreen:

Nah should have, i may have got to demo the R9 :)

[AlexMc]

On the "other" forum there is an ex-asian tour R9 TP for sale for $600...

(Can not guarantee accuracy of actual advert)

[andylo]

Unless it has T serial# its not true tour issue!

I have been grilled by the "Asian Tour Issue" BS once... in exchange of a REAL tour issue Titleist driver of mine!

[3oneday]

and so it begins.

http://cgi.ebay.com/09-Taylormade-R9-460cc-10-5-TOUR-ISSUE-head-NEW_W0QQitemZ260406065743QQihZ016QQcategoryZ115280 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Jono]

US$750 for head only?

What am I missing here? :?

[3oneday]

Not released yet.

Have you still got those black PD's in your bag ?

[Iain]

Unless it has T serial# its not true tour issue!

I have been grilled by the "Asian Tour Issue" BS once... in exchange of a REAL tour issue Titleist driver of mine!

Are you sure Andy?? There's a few 460's from reputable sellers without the T serial?

[3oneday]

Couple that with the words "Asian Tour" and I reckon you run a mile !!! :lol:

[andylo]

Are you sure Andy?? There's a few 460's from reputable sellers without the T serial?

Are they come without a serial# at all? Or they have retail serial# on them but CLAIM to be tour issue?

[braddles]

It has a 0.350 tip, so unlikely to be Tour Issue.

[razaar]

Couple that with the words "Asian Tour" and I reckon you run a mile !!! :lol:
Wood cover (avatar)?

[Iain]

It has a 0.350 tip, so unlikely to be Tour Issue.

Remember sleeves can be bought seperately. With TP sleeves going for $75US each, would you include one?!


Are they come without a serial# at all? Or they have retail serial# on them but CLAIM to be tour issue?

No serial at all...

[Ned]

Remember sleeves can be bought seperately. With TP sleeves going for $75US each, would you include one?!



No serial at all...

Can get sleaves for .350 tips at $USD25 or for the Tour .335 tip at $USD35.

[3oneday]

Wood cover (avatar)?nup, real dog.

I googled up "worlds ugliest woman" and it was on the same page !

[henno]

That dog is now dead. It was voted the world's ugliest dog for a loooooong time.

[3oneday]

I think I would have put it down long ago !

[Iain]

Can get sleaves for .350 tips at $USD25 or for the Tour .335 tip at $USD35.

I know, but most likely not everybody knows about that.... ;)

[henno]

Even though the heads themselves are the same, I take it the TP versions have different graphics despite being identical in design?

Clearly this is worth something, otherwise why would the 0.335 tips cost almost 50% more.

[3oneday]

No, same head. Different headcover though ;)

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[3oneday]

They can't give those Burner 09 drivers away... well they are now :lol:

They're just matching the Cally deal, not ones for original thought are they now.

[haysey]

Crappy clubs


and 3. That avatar is worse than your last one:D

[Courty]

R9 Review here (http://thesandtrap.com/clubs/taylormade_r9_tp_driver_review).

[razaar]

Hmmm....still have to hit it just above the sweet spot to get max results, just like every other driver.

[goonie]

I think the 460 might be worth a look when it comes out later in the month. but i think the 3 wood looks the business.

[3oneday]

When it comes out in a month ? Nah, wait 3, it'll be cheaper !


:lol:

[just]

I think the 460 might be worth a look when it comes out later in the month. but i think the 3 wood looks the business.

Peter_rs has the 3 wood, he was hitting it very well last weekend. Looks the goods.

[goonie]

HOG Virginia had the R9 460 in stock, it has the fixed wait as mentioned above, and has a 46 Aldila RE AX 60 shaft not the Motore. RRP is a round $520 from memory. It didn't look that much bigger from address, but it was a little hard to tell with the plastic still on it. Pity about the shaft change, that and no MWT may be why they are selling it cheaper.

[golfer0110]

Hi guys I just joined so be gentle with me!
I have a lefthanded TM R9 platyed 10 rounds or so with it and when my swing is in sync its the best driver I have ever used and believe me I am a golfaholic and owned them all (I dont smoke, drink or chase women, so spend all my money on golf!)
I have a Velosity Radar which measures the distance hit and ball speed and I can report I am consistantly hitting the R7 with a total distance of 264 yards and ball speed of 152 MPH against my previous driver Ping G10 of 250 yards 145 MPH
So there is a big difference and I am getting an extra 12 yards off the tee.

[3oneday]

Any reviews on the R9 460 ?

[henno]

Iain's had one for a while. He also has the 420cc so hopefully he'll chime in.

[Courty]

Any reviews on the R9 460 ?

Chopper71 has one. He reckons it is looong, but that the stock shaft is rubbish.

[haysey]

Tis true, he also said it didn't want to do anything other than go straight

[Courty]

Tis true, he also said it didn't want to do anything other than go straight

That's not what he told me. :-k

[haysey]

:-k

May have been just after he got it. Honeymoon may not have worn off.

[3oneday]

It's a bit disconcerting that not a single person is still using the stock shaft ?

[haysey]

It is isn't it, but for whatever reason the stock shaft is a piece of shit

[BrisVegas]

what's a good shaft for these? Does the FCT hosel thing make much difference to the fitting? I've got one to try out from a TM sponsored friend which has a GD MD-7x Tour AD. If it goes alright I might get one but woudn't have a clue which shaft to get... Would it be poor form to put a Grafalloy Blue in one?

[haysey]

Put in whatever you like Dion. I've currently got 4 shafts to choose from and I know some one else who has even more than that.


The trick is getting the fittings once you've got those your golden...

[BrisVegas]

TM crap.

[just]

TM crap.
Hehehe......can I interest you in an R9 towel (http://www.golfsmith.com/products/300751/TaylorMade/R9_Players_Towel)?

[jaybam]

r9 went well then vegas??

[3oneday]

Sounded like a hell of a lot of shaft he was trying.

[goonie]

It had an x flex shaft in it which may have even been tipped for all we know, and in the half left position it still looked open.

[BrisVegas]

i've decided i dont like the shape The subtle triangle/pointy thing doesnt sit well for me. Yes, the one I tried today had a crowbar for a shaft which didnt help, but I felt much more comfortable looking down at the 905 shape. I much preferred the lighter grafalloy shaft too.

After the way I putted today, maybe i should save up for a 2-ball putter instead.

[goonie]

After the way I putted today, maybe i should save up for a 2-ball putter instead.

why? I have a two ball and putted far worse than you.

[Jarro]

I'll wait till they're a little cheaper ;)

Are they cheaper yet ?

:mrgreen:

[just]

Do you have any proshop money to make it a little cheaper, otherwise I find post 166 helpful.

[3oneday]

:lol: :lol:

If he had the last 5 posters on ignore, he may have been responding to you ? have the towel prices dropped sufficiently yet ?

[Jarro]

No need for an R9 towel, my R7 model is working fine thankyou ;)

Now, about these R9 drivers ...... :-k

[Gomez38]

R9 460 driver worked just as well as the R9 driver i have found. It doesnt have as much adjustment as the original R9 but it works just as good. The Motoro shaft i have found to be very good as well. The ball doesnt balloon as much as my old nike. I think its $499 and if you want shaft upgrades,they are an extra $140 or so. Many to choose from.

[3oneday]

R9 460 has an Aldila shaft in it doesn't it, not the motore ?

[Gomez38]

same shaft that is in the R9.

[henno]

There's a first. Someone that likes the stock R9 shaft.

[Jarro]

Peter_rs hit the R9 with the stock shaft in it and it seemed to go Ok.

[3oneday]

Interesting, all the R9 460 coming from the USA has the Aldila shaft, but it doesn't appear on the website.

[Captain Nemo]

;) Fakes! :-s

[Gomez38]

you have a choice in shafts. there is the motore,the aldila voodoo,the fubuki and the matrix. i have only hit the standard motore but it was awesome to me. long and not too high so i really liked it.

[3oneday]

I'm not talking about the TP shaft though.

[Gomez38]

you have a choice of shaft in either. it may be an upcharge but what i am trying to say is that the stock standard shaft performs really well. i know bcoz my regular playing partner uses it and smashes it! he's never been as long as me but he's not far behind me now and i have to say,he is now hitting more fairways than me :(
its a good driver stock standard. taylor made wouldnt put anything that was rubbish into the R9,they wouldnt sell any that way. ive hit it and i hit it straighter than my driver (callaway x-tour)

[3oneday]

taylor made wouldnt put anything that was rubbish into the R9,they wouldnt sell any that way. ive hit it and i hit it straighter than my driver (callaway x-tour)

Sorry, but you haven't been golfing long have you :lol: there are several users in this thread that have all binned the stock shaft as crap.

I thought you were using a red CGB driver :confused:

[Gomez38]

22 years. i use the callaway x-tour. why would they put a bad shaft into it? tell me that. so it doesnt sell? they put that shaft into it bcoz during testing,it performs the best for that head. they put it through months and months of testing to come up with that. so,i'm sorry,but i believe the tech guys at taylor made more than the golfers in this forum. sorry :)

[3oneday]

22 years. i use the callaway x-tour. why would they put a bad shaft into it? tell me that. so it doesnt sell? they put that shaft into it bcoz during testing,it performs the best for that head. they put it through months and months of testing to come up with that. so,i'm sorry,but i believe the tech guys at taylor made more than the golfers in this forum. sorry :)

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[Gomez38]

gee,sorry. i forgot all of the clubs that you guys on this forum have designed. you do know better! what was i thinking?? HA!!! :)

[Gomez38]

just what is it that you dont like about the motore shaft? heavy? light? launch? spin? torque?
just saying you dont like it doesnt mean much. how about you explain what is sooo bad about it. and what do you use instead? enlighten me oh enlightened one :)

[braddles]

just what is it that you dont like about the motore shaft? heavy? light? launch? spin? torque?
just saying you dont like it doesnt mean much. how about you explain what is sooo bad about it. and what do you use instead? enlighten me oh enlightened one :)

I don't think the Motore shaft is stock in the 460. I thought it was a 60g Aldila or something.

The Motore is stock in the 420 version and is not a bad shaft. I found it a little bit soft, but it performed ok.

[Johnny Canuck]

you have a choice of shaft in either. it may be an upcharge but what i am trying to say is that the stock standard shaft performs really well. i know bcoz my regular playing partner uses it and smashes it! he's never been as long as me but he's not far behind me now and i have to say,he is now hitting more fairways than me :(
its a good driver stock standard. taylor made wouldnt put anything that was rubbish into the R9,they wouldnt sell any that way. ive hit it and i hit it straighter than my driver (callaway x-tour)

Maybe you need a heavier shaft to control it better?:lol:

[3oneday]

gee,sorry. i forgot all of the clubs that you guys on this forum have designed. you do know better! what was i thinking?? HA!!! :)
right again, also why there are companies called Mitsubishi, Aldila and the like. If the stock shafts were so damned good, surly they'd be out of business according to you ?

Anyway, it's a bit like feeding the troll, I'm bored now,

[haysey]

Crappy crub...

[3oneday]

Finally, some quality input !

[Jarro]

Crappy crub...

Dibs

;)

[haysey]

Finally, some quality input !


I'm here to help:wink:



Dibs

;)


You wouldn't like it. It doesn't have the stock shaft in it anymore...

[Jarro]

You wouldn't like it. It doesn't have the stock shaft in it anymore...

Stock shaft is a Fubuki isn't it ? :mrgreen:

[adlo]

Why does this thread still exist? I tuned out pretty early. So is the R9 the business or not?

[3oneday]

I keep asking, but rehashed when asking afte the 460. Better than starting a new thread every 5 minutes.

[haysey]

Stock shaft is a Fubuki isn't it ? :mrgreen:


It should be. I love it8)

[Courty]

I love my R9 (with an aftermarket shaft). That said, I have a Motore F1 65 (TP version) stiff available if anyone wants it. ;)

[goonie]

The R9 460 stock shaft is a 60g RE AX shaft made by Aldila and is about 46" The head has a slightly deeper face, spins a little more and launches higher than the R9
Other shafts are available in the TP (the shaft being the only difference between stock and TP)

[parlyboy]

do the shafts/loft/lie on a driver make that much difference? Unless your playing +4???

[BrisVegas]

I love my R9 (with an aftermarket shaft). That said, I have a Motore F1 65 (TP version) stiff available if anyone wants it. ;)

how much?

[goonie]

I have no issues with the stock shaft in my R9 3 wood, it is working quite nicely, i haven't tried the driver with stock Motore thou.

[Gomez38]

right again, also why there are companies called Mitsubishi, Aldila and the like. If the stock shafts were so damned good, surly they'd be out of business according to you ?

Anyway, it's a bit like feeding the troll, I'm bored now,
aldila make the stock shaft,so they will stay in business im guessing. you still havnt told me whats wrong with the standard shaft?

[Yossarian]

aldila make the stock shaft,so they will stay in business im guessing. you still havnt told me whats wrong with the standard shaft?

They have shit quality control so they can put them out cheap, less time and money has gone into the design and installation, hence they are cheaper to purchase. And hence they are spin machines, don't play to flex ect ect

[Tomson]

I had a master club maker tell me one time that it doesn't cost in "materials" more then $25 a shaft to make. In saying that I do understand that R & D plays a major factor in costing, and also the manufacturing cost if they are sheet wrapped or filament wound. I have frequency analysed made for and the real deal and the discrepancy has been there. I have hit the made for Fubuki and the real Fubuki in both Callaway and Taylor Made and there is a difference. I have come to understand in the past few years due to the component industry that OEMs have had to lift there game in regards to shaft selection and quality but I still think that when you buy that sort of volume that maybe the quality control will not be there.

[3oneday]

aldila make the stock shaft,so they will stay in business im guessing. you still havnt told me whats wrong with the standard shaft?

I think you'll find the last line of post #193 most useful.

But, in case there is difficulty for you still , read Tomsons reply a couple of times. Seeings you love a stock shaft so much, you could be best served asking the OEM if it is the same shaft as a "real" one ???.

[Gomez38]

well yossarian,they compare very much the same under a frequencey meter. that is the best way to tell the flex of a shaft and i have compared them. so,im sorry but your argument does not stack up. all you guys have the same argument,'the stock shaft is crap' its just not the case and any launch monitor will support me. get your facts in order before you just blurt out that they are crap.
your obsession with changing clubs bcoz the original company doent know what its doing is just crazy. there are players on tour using stock standard clubs. im guessing they are better golfers than you all are. bcoz they play golf for a living and dont just sit around bashing clubs.
if its good enough for them,how is it not good enough for you guys?
you are all just being petty :)
if you are so sure of what you are saying,give me the shafts you think are crap and the ones you think are the best and i will get them frequencey tested for flex.
i await your response. not just general crappy shafts mind you,the exact ones you say are crap. bcoz otherwise you are just flapping your gums.
Later :)

[goonie]

get your facts in order before you just blurt out that they are crap.
your obsession with changing clubs bcoz the original company doent know what its doing is just crazy. there are players on tour using stock standard clubs. im guessing they are better golfers than you all are. bcoz they play golf for a living and dont just sit around bashing clubs.
if its good enough for them,how is it not good enough for you guys?
you are all just being petty :)

Now you've done it.

I understand that some OEM shafts can work for some people, I have 2 ATM that are working ok, but they don't work for all, and I have tried plenty that are total crap.

I have 2 questions for you.

1. Name some Tour players that use "OEM versions" or "Made For" shafts in there woods?

2. Explain why do aftermarket shafts attract an upcharge if the OEM shafts are the same quality?

Please explain

[henno]

well yossarian,they compare very much the same under a frequencey meter.

:-"


I have frequency analysed made for and the real deal and the discrepancy has been there.






get your facts in order before you just blurt out that they are crap.

You mean... sorta like... this?


I have frequency analysed made for and the real deal and the discrepancy has been there.





if you are so sure of what you are saying,give me the shafts you think are crap and the ones you think are the best and i will get them frequencey tested for flex.

You mean... like Tomson has already done?


I have frequency analysed made for and the real deal and the discrepancy has been there.






if its good enough for them,how is it not good enough for you guys?

How many tour pros walk into their local retail outlet and grab a driver off the rack. None. So by your own logic, it's not good enough for them either?

[3oneday]

not just general crappy shafts mind you,the exact ones you say are crap. bcoz otherwise you are just flapping your gums.


There's a nice contradiction. So it's only TaylorMade and Callaway that using quality crappy shafts, and Ping use crappy crappy shafts ? I'm still feeding the troll it seems....



Later :)can you not ?

[Eag's]

So you work for TM do you Gomez?? People on here have given their thoughts on the stock shaft, you don't agree, move on already :roll:
Oh and what is with the gangster rap dribble "bcoz"? epic fail :lol:

[Tomson]

Gomez,

I profile shafts to know what slopes they read to find out how they play. So how could a Made for Callaway Fubuki be so different to the real Fubuki. The first reading proved if when it was marked a stiff and was quite lower then a stiff reading. I have a top of the line frequency analyzer that I calibrate every time I use it. So I think that your above statement is alittle flawed.

Why have I had PCS and Master clubmakers all tell me the same that made for is usually not the real deal.

Most tour players, from Nationwide to PGA to the European Tour all have there clubs custom built, from lie angles to lofts etc. I have seen video's and talked to tour clubmakers and you would be very suprised as to what goes on in regards to the clubmaking and to what shafts and heads are used. I think that the number of "stock" players would be less then 10%. The major OEM companies don't want the average joe to know this because then the average joe would want that same shaft, or custom fit club even if they can't hit it. Would this greatly increase the price of the club? I don't know that.

I have no problem buying a driver then reshafting it to suit the way I swing. I think between getting fitted correctly and a few lesson, is one of easiest way to improve your game.

I hope that you find a stock shaft that suits you, but I'm sure you could find a shaft that will give you more distance and control then the stock shaft you are using.

Tom

[bebo]

All of you just takes your pants off and lay it down on the frequence meter

:mrgreen:

[Tomson]

I would also like to add that I thought Kenny Perry was using a stock shaft but it was slipped by TM that it was a real deal shaft screen printed with TM graphics. I thought for once that a regular tour player was using stock but alas he wasn't

[3oneday]

All of you just takes your pants off and lay it down on the frequence meter

:mrgreen:

been there done that, mine swung at 115mph and was only 45 grams.... yours ?????




;)

[bebo]

Black Grafalloy BiMatrix X Stiff, black with stiff tip - never swung :)

[Gomez38]

i dont work for any golf company. i just like the way the taylor made shafts perform and dont like peanuts who rubbish it without proof.
Peter Lonard uses the stock standard shaft in his R9. 75gram X flex. standard!
and as far as frequenceys are concerned the difference between the standards in the R9 drivers is 234(tp) and 237(aldila). WOW! thats huge! you guys are all speculators. you dont know the facts. you are just talking for the sake of flapping your gums.
as far as frequencey in shafts.
z-com shaft (callaway stock stnd) 242
voodoo (titleist stnd) 240
vs proto (aldila bridgestone stnd) 238
motore (tm stnd) 237
all stiff.
i think you can see that the standard shafts are very much the same.

as far as spin rates, the 'crappy aldila' spun the least by about 400prm.
all swung using 10.5 drgree stiff drivers.

all of you get off your high horse and stop supporting a clearly wrong argument.
thankyou and g'night :) ha!

[3oneday]

i just like the way the taylor made shafts perform
and there ends the argument.


and dont like peanuts who rubbish it without proof.
you were supplied proof, stick with what you believe and move on.

[Lucasto23]

yeah, we can tlk about the R9 again;)

[Tomson]

Gomez,

Which frequency analyzer do you use?

Peter Lonards driver came out of a tour van, not off the shelf at your local golf shop. I'm sure his shaft was frequency analyzed to find the one that suited his swing the best.

Like you I have analyzed OEM clubs and have found alot of descrepencys, from small amounts to 2 flexs out yet I have found ones that have been spot on the money. I am not doubting your ability in giving the forum these figures, I just disagree. My experences have been with OEM shafts to be different to the real deal.

As far as spin rates your know that there are many factors that cause the spin on the ball so I wouldn't come out and say that the factory Aldila spun less when the persons swing can contribute as much as a shaft can.

Tom

[3oneday]

So, should I hit one of these tin cans or what ?




or should I buy one just so I can reshaft it

[Gomez38]

tour van / local shop. the same thing. the same setup. the same club.

Mitchell Digi-flex is the frequencey meter used.

spin rate were compared by me using my same swing with the same clubs. consistancey as much as possible.

anything else? :)

[3oneday]

You're my hero. Will you go soon ?

[Gomez38]

buy one. yes. i want to. its just too much atm :(

[Tomson]

Do it 3.. you'll love it you can always pimp it out with a new shaft if you don't like the stock shaft.

[3oneday]

Do it 3.. you'll love it you can always pimp it out with a new shaft if you don't like the stock shaft.**** me, heaven forbid !


:lol:

Are they difficult to reshaft, not that I will need to, but for the person who buys it off me ;)

[Lucasto23]

buy two with 6 shafts, and sell it to me dirt cheap when your done;)

[Gomez38]

nothing to do with being a hero. ijust dont like people who shoot their mouths off without knowing the facts or actually trying the club.
this is a forum and i have suppoorted my arguments with figures that i have tested. but still,you guys wont accept it.
it just makes me think this is a bad forum site. people seem to be more interested in shooting down a theory rather than listening to it.
be objective,not abusive.

[3oneday]

buy two with 6 shafts, and sell it to me dirt cheap when your done;)

**** off



;)

I'm getting 8.5° anyways :p

[Lucasto23]

great it'll be 9.5* anyway then, thanks to TM QC;)

[Johnny Canuck]

Paragraphs Gomez, ****ing use them. They are everyone's friend.

One of the main things with the OEM shafts is the consistency amoung the same shafts. Have a chat with Virge about this. Virge has probably tested every shaft known to man in his numerous years of club building and he'll tell you that there are much bigger discrepancies if you compare an OEM shaft with the exact same OEM shaft vs. 2 identical aftermarket shafts.

He has also stated that Aldila is by far the worst company for quality control amoungst their shafts. He gets his information by testing 100's of shafts, not comparing a couple side by side.

There is a difference between OEM and aftermarket shafts. There is a thread floating around here where someone actually wrote to one of the companies and they confirmed this. I think it was relating to an Ozik if I remember correctly.

The OEM Taylor shaft works for you, that is all that is important.

I use an OEM shaft in my Taylor 3 wood and used one in my 5 wood for ages. Both were great for me. When I upgraded my 5 wood shaft, I did notice an improvement in shot dispertion.

I haven't been very impressed with many stock driver shafts that I have hit. I am not a big tinkerer, but I have had to upgrade shafts in my drivers to get better performance.

The bottom line is that in terms of quality, aftermarket shafts are generally better constructed and more consistent when tested across a large sample.

In the past, they often played much softer than the stated flex. I know this from working in a shop and testing them myself. I don't know if this is still the case.

[Tomson]

tour van / local shop. the same thing. the same setup. the same club.

Mitchell Digi-flex is the frequencey meter used.

spin rate were compared by me using my same swing with the same clubs. consistancey as much as possible.

anything else? :)

Tour van and local shop are not the same place. I wish it was.

Thats a nice one, like the club scout one abit. I prefer the Golfsmith/ Auditor one.

I have the Mitchell Steelclub Signature Angle Machine. Mitchell make some excellent equipment.

Which launch monitor?

[BrisVegas]

it'll be 10.5 by the time he cranks it 2degrees open to cure the hook...

[3oneday]

nothing to do with being a hero. ijust dont like people who shoot their mouths off without knowing the facts or actually trying the club.
this is a forum and i have suppoorted my arguments with figures that i have tested. but still,you guys wont accept it.
it just makes me think this is a bad forum site. people seem to be more interested in shooting down a theory rather than listening to it.
be objective,not abusive.mate, seriously no one has abused you but you are so damned pig headed that you clearly aren't reading anything that other folk are writing. You have supported your argument, so have others.

Either you are calling them liars or you love yourself to death. Agree to disagree and get over it, you love, all TM shafts I have tried I have hated, some are indifferent. Who really cares if you don't agree. Don't waste pages and pages of drivel just cause you think you know everything about golf shafts and who uses what.

There are guys here that buy direct from tour players, and you simply won't see any REAX shafts and the like, nothing like the ones you will buy in Drummond !

So, either you keep arguing and getting all defensive and more pig headed, or you accept that your point of view differs to most, and drop the dribble.

Welcome by the way, what do you play off ?

[Tomson]

**** me, heaven forbid !


:lol:

Are they difficult to reshaft, not that I will need to, but for the person who buys it off me ;)

Very easy to reshaft.

[3oneday]

great it'll be 9.5* anyway then, thanks to TM QC;)
tis true

it'll be 10.5 by the time he cranks it 2degrees open to cure the hook...

see above :oops:

[Tomson]

nothing to do with being a hero. ijust dont like people who shoot their mouths off without knowing the facts or actually trying the club.
this is a forum and i have suppoorted my arguments with figures that i have tested. but still,you guys wont accept it.
it just makes me think this is a bad forum site. people seem to be more interested in shooting down a theory rather than listening to it.
be objective,not abusive.

I thought I have been objective and not abusive towards you and your argument. I think you have done a good job quoting figures and listening to my side of the story as well. Well so I thought.

[Gomez38]

not sure who said it but somebody said the aldila was a spin machine. it isnt. compared to the other three shafts i used to test it,it was significantly lower. 2700 compared to 3100-3300 in the other shafts (voodoo,motore and zcom)

launch monitor used was the vector. (in drummonds)

i play off 5.

abusive is the names im being called. it started with 'girlyman' yesterday and hasnt ended yet. 'pig headed'. i call them insults. i dont repsond well to being insulted,not many people do.

as far as Lonards driver,it came from a tour van but is stock standard. hte same as the setup you and i can buy.

[Yossarian]

Do you feel like you are a victim of cyber bullying Gomez?

[Gomez38]

yeah,i just might top myself!

i dont care about some friendly banter. thats fine. but when you insult someone who you have just met over nothing at all? thats not cool.

you can check back with all your quotes if you like. i never started anything. i dont start,i respond. forums should be used by more mature people. especially golf,which is played suposedly by gentlemen.

[Tomson]

not sure who said it but somebody said the aldila was a spin machine. it isnt. compared to the other three shafts i used to test it,it was significantly lower. 2700 compared to 3100-3300 in the other shafts (voodoo,motore and zcom)

launch monitor used was the vector. (in drummonds)

i play off 5.

abusive is the names im being called. it started with 'girlyman' yesterday and hasnt ended yet. 'pig headed'. i call them insults. i dont repsond well to being insulted,not many people do.

as far as Lonards driver,it came from a tour van but is stock standard. hte same as the setup you and i can buy.

The optimal launch angle is 12.5 deg with spin of between 2400-2600.

Which aldila shaft are you talking about, aldila make the Voodoo and alot of other shafts.

The tour van is not stock standard, for one they hand pick there heads. So if a tour player asks for a 10.5 he/she gets a 10.5 deg. When they ask for an x flex they get an x flex that has been check.

[3oneday]

abusive is the names im being called. it started with 'girlyman' yesterday and hasnt ended yet. 'pig headed'. i call them insults. i dont repsond well to being insulted,not many people do.

calling someone pig headed isn't an insult, and calling a 45 gram shaft a girlymans shaft was said in good humour. The fact you cannot see that means you should probably reassess whether you can cope with posting on any sort of forum.

[BrisVegas]

gomez - you can introduce yourself in the welcome threads.

[braddles]

it'll be 10.5 by the time he cranks it 2degrees open to cure the hook...

It will actually be closer to 8.5*. Opening the face reduces loft.

[Yossarian]

yeah,i just might top myself!

i dont care about some friendly banter. thats fine. but when you insult someone who you have just met over nothing at all? thats not cool.

you can check back with all your quotes if you like. i never started anything. i dont start,i respond. forums should be used by more mature people. especially golf,which is played suposedly by gentlemen.

You gotta admit though mate, you have got actual club fitters here telling you something different? Do you think all their data and experience is bullshit?

[3oneday]

Paragraphs Gomez, ****ing use them. They are everyone's friend.


forums should be used by more mature people. especially golf,which is played suposedly by gentlemen.

More mature people should also take the time to put a sentence together as well, whilst we are on the subject of being such an upstanding citizen.