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View Poll Results: Which shafts?
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dynamic gold S300
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precision rifle 6
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7th June 2005 09:34 AM
#1
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
dynamic gold vs precision rifle iron shafts
Ok guys any views & comments.
I'm thinking about new shafts for my irons I have dynamic gold R300 in my TM LT irons.
The Standard TM recommend-
-DG S300
-Rifle 6
Or is there something else I show look at?
For those that don't know me, basic stats-
-7 speed when last checked 90mph.
-7 iron 142m (155 yards)
-110kg
-Take divots even in rock hard ground.
In my set before the TM I was using Macgregor lite still.
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7th June 2005 09:36 AM
#2
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
have a look at DGLite or Rifle Lite...
My PGC Handicap
WITB Sept 2010
Currently Undecided: Ping G10 or BStone J33R
Currently Undecided: Cally Fusion 3W or Cally Steelhead III 3+W or Titleist 904F
Currently Undecided: King Cobra 2300IM or Cally X20 Tour
Switch BTW: TM RAC 52/58 & Cleve RTG 53/58
Wilson TPA Blade
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7th June 2005 09:40 AM
#3
Senior Member
Major Winner
Peter - the divots are more likely due to faults in your swing than the shaft you are using, and with a 23 handicap i wouldn't beat yourself up over it. A few lessons/drills should get that sorted out.
If anything, perhaps you need to shorten your shafts? The only vitalstatistic you have kept from us if your height (and tax file number ).
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
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7th June 2005 09:44 AM
#4
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
I only had lite still in the macgregor's because the MV455 heads are huge and heavy. when you did the old cpm test they were the same as the DG R300 so thats why I went back.
Is the idea of a Lite shaft to reduce weight to improve club head speed? Is A DGLite S300 the same cpm as a DG S300?
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7th June 2005 09:50 AM
#5
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
Fishman Dan
Peter - the divots are more likely due to faults in your swing than the shaft you are using, and with a 23 handicap i wouldn't beat yourself up over it. A few lessons/drills should get that sorted out.
If anything, perhaps you need to shorten your shafts? The only vitalstatistic you have kept from us if your height (and tax file number
).
I don't mind the fact I take divots, I have been working with a pro on my swing for a while and I'm hitting the ball further and cleaner but starting to lose some accuracy when I go after a shot. It has been said to me that because I'm a large boy and take divots regularly (and so times large ones) that a stiffer shaft could help through impact and with accuracy. It makes sense to me?
If you ask nice I will hand them over, too
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7th June 2005 10:00 AM
#6
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Neither. I dont beleive too many golfer's have the experience and knowledge to know what shafts are best for them, and even less would know whats best for you.
Its much more than looking at the shaft tables and matching to your swing speed. Mainly becuase each flex has a suggested range of 10mph.
eg, if your swing speed is 95mph, do you take the shaft that is recommended for 85-95mph or 95-105mph ?
Only a very good clubmaker can assess you properly for the shaft that you need, after a proper analysis that involves asking you lots of questions as well.
As for the Rifle Lites, good shafts but no longer officially available. Theres still some around but they tend to hold on to them for replacements.
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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7th June 2005 10:10 AM
#7
Mark,
Great advice.
Fishy,
Divots can be from incorrectly fitted clubs, not everything is a swing fault.
as for me, i don't like the rifle shafts, give me true temper any day of the week. The new Dynamic Gold Super Lite is fantastic. The old DG Lites play about a full flex soft and promote high ball flights, the new DG SL plays a little firmer for flex and gives a very nice ball flight. Rifle lites also play very soft and again promote a higher ball flight.
hope that helps.
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7th June 2005 10:13 AM
#8
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Ben
Fishy,
Divots can be from incorrectly fitted clubs, not everything is a swing fault
Fair call. At the start of the year i was gouging Casino - now i only do it a dozen or so times a round
A single lesson showed me what i was doing wrong, now i just have to get it right every time i swing the axe.
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
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7th June 2005 10:17 AM
#9
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
ok mark,
I agree what you say about picking the right shaft, But I also think peoples input based on there expereince is good. I have had two DG sets that I have played fine-I know of Rifle shaft from drivers but never liked them so I don't know about the iron shafts. I was not asking about flex as much(any input welcome) as the difference in shafts? or other brands of shafts to look at?
Who do you recommend in brisbane? That wont cost a arm and leg. GCI are asking $90 for a fitting with no discount if you then buy the gear from them. Its a bit rich I think.
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7th June 2005 10:34 AM
#10
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Thanks Ben, thats what I'm after. Ben are Lite shaft the be all or just the latest crazy. If you had a choose between DG , DG Lite or DG SL which would you use?
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7th June 2005 10:45 AM
#11
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Peter,
For what it's worth, I can barely tell the difference between them. I've owned 3 iron sets with DG S300 at +0.5 inch and 1 set with Rifle 6.0 at +0.5 inch. I've never done a side by side comparison of the two shafts in the exact same head.
The Rifle's did feel great, but that may have been as much to do with the lovely soft Cleveland TA3 irons they were in. I have a mate who switched to Rifle 6.0 from S300 after trying the Rifles in my Clevo's. He swears they are smoother, more consistent and give a more predictable flight. He's a scratch marker though and hits waaay more balls than most. Maybe he could tell. For me, I don't think there is much difference. The Rifle's are sexier, IMO, if that matters....
I went to CGI for a driver shaft fitment a while back and he checked my irons while I was there. He reckoned the S300 (as measured in my current irons) fitted my swing tempo and clubhead speed quite nicely and didn't try and get me to change anything.
Good luck. Trust the professionals, but take an interest in what they fit you with.
golflink WITB
TSR3 9deg |
TSR3 15deg |
TSR2 3H |
T100 4-GW |
Vokey 56 & 60 |
Newport 2.5
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7th June 2005 10:46 AM
#12
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Well Pete you could fly to melbourne and see Ben, if you get a Virgin you might come up cheaper than going to GCI. But IMHO $90 is well spent, they offer a first rate service. Reputation is the best in Qld.
Theres lots of clubmakers around. The only other good one i know of is a guy called "Demis Papillion". He travelled the Pga tour with a van repairing clubs, and is popular with the ladies. Laura Davies uses him as well - seen him working on her sticks with me own eyes.
Lost track of where he is exactly now, last i saw he was at the Glades, then he went to one of the resorts between brisbane and sunshine coast. Northlakes maybe. He is apparently setting up a Clubmakers Academy somewhere.
He is quite well known around the traps. Mainly because he doesnt mind telling people how good he is I am sure with a couple of phone calls you can dig him up.
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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7th June 2005 10:53 AM
#13
Senior Member
Major Winner
I'm not in favour of GCI. When they had their Sydney presence, i went and saw them, and was advised that my poor swing was due to a mushy shaft.
Partially correct. But spending $450 at GCI wasn't going to fix my problem. It was going to reshaft a set of clubs that i still couldn't hit right, because my swing was all over the shop.
I think the GCI's of this world provide a massive benefit to low markers, but hackers won't get the same bang-for-buck.
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
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7th June 2005 10:53 AM
#14
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
BrisVegas
and didn't try and get me to change anything.
Yep, same here when i went back there for an 'upgrade', told me to keep what i had.
Definitely you can trust GCI to give you the right advice. They wont sell you something for the sake of making a sale.
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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7th June 2005 11:11 AM
#15
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
DG's are heavier and stiffer feeling than the rifles. If you like this (and are strong enough) the DG's are without peer. If you like a slightly easier shaft to swing then go the rifles.
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7th June 2005 11:27 AM
#16
Fishy,
its actually the higher handicappers who benefit more from custom fitting than the lower ones. If you aren't swinging the right equipment it doesn't matter what you try and do to your swing, it won't get better, where those with great swings can get by with not so correctly fitted golf clubs. don't forget, getting the right equipment will give you the most advantage.
As for spending $90, its a good investment. I'm suprised tho it wouldn't be credited against any work that would be done tho.
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7th June 2005 11:30 AM
#17
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
$90 for the entire set of iron or just per club Pete?
I think last time it cost Kee $50-60 just to do his Rescue TP
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7th June 2005 11:33 AM
#18
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
miro
DG's are heavier and stiffer feeling than the rifles.
Once a clubmaker determines the correct specifications for a golfer, he will make the club to that specification.
Therefore the heavier and stiffer DG will feel exactly the same as the Rifle.
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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7th June 2005 11:39 AM
#19
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
MTB
I disagree. If you assume that a club is to be exactly the same length and stiffness whether shafted with DG or Rifle then the DG will feel slightly heavier and will generally feel stiffer (maybe the wrong word but Rifles are generally described as "smoother" feeling than DG's in the same flex).
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7th June 2005 11:43 AM
#20
Originally Posted by
markTHEblake
Originally Posted by
miro
DG's are heavier and stiffer feeling than the rifles.
Once a clubmaker determines the correct specifications for a golfer, he will make the club to that specification.
Therefore the heavier and stiffer DG will feel exactly the same as the Rifle.
MTB,
that aint right at all.
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7th June 2005 11:58 AM
#21
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
dont disagree with me, i am the local bully and your not allowed to have a different opinion. See the forum rules.
Ben you always agree with me on this subject. whats happening.
I must be on the right track somewhere (see first line above). Are we saying here that the DG feels stiffer but its not?
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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7th June 2005 12:08 PM
#22
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
Originally Posted by
markTHEblake
dont disagree with me, i am the local bully and your not allowed to have a different opinion. See the forum rules.
Ben you always agree with me on this subject. whats happening.
I must be on the right track somewhere (see first line above). Are we saying here that the DG feels stiffer but its not?
MTB
Okay if you change your mind then I will agree with you . Afterall as a long time nerd (just ask my wife) I fear and respect local bullies!
Yes we are saying that DG's FEEL, again for want of a better word, stiffer than the same flex rifle.
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7th June 2005 12:08 PM
#23
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
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7th June 2005 12:10 PM
#24
mark,
i'm just saying that the two shafts have different feels. the DG will promote more vibration through the shaft at impact than the rifle. there's more too a shaft design and feel than butt frequency, you can have the same freq but they can feel totally different.
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7th June 2005 12:11 PM
#25
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
Originally Posted by
golfer69
Come back over to our end of the bar and we'll talk about stuff we know lots about....
and what pray tell would that be...........
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