Home course rating easy rant

[LeftyHoges]

They haven't seen the short game haha!

Nah I can putt now

I agree Benno.

Matt 2-with-a-slight-chance-of-3 jab?

[live4golf]

An update to this and kooindah waters situation.

The course has just been re rated by golf australia. Old rating was 72/131 off plates and now it's 73/133. Not a big difference but it'll mean it can't rate under 70 on medal day

The big change is the white tees going from 70/125 to 72/128 meaning it can't rate 5 under par anymore

Not sure if / how it'll all play out but they are going back through 12 months of handicaps and readjusting each round to these new standards.

Handicap will go down, across the board, which hopefully will mean less massive scores and higher DSR. But with the slopes going up as well it seems to cancel itself out

Anyway it was in response to members getting the shits with the low DSR so maybe other clubs can do the same and be re rated

Came back at the right time then

[Hux]

This whole thread confused the b'jesus out of me. How can a course that is rated theoretically as quite tough (72/131 and now 73/133) play under DSR in a back marker event?

Is it a flaw in the rating system similar to what Bruce pointed out with Cape Schank, where it is simply because of the placement of hazards in "rating" locations rather than actual difficulty of play that brings about the high slope?

I was a member at Bribie which in the old system was rated as PAR72/ACR73. A blue marker event would see ball run down out to 74/75 a lot of the time. Under the slope it is 72/130 off the blues and scores improved but handicaps have gone out a fair bit. Still DSR does not go down massive amounts from the limited amount I look at my Dad's GLink.

So what gives????

[markTHEblake]

This whole thread confused the b'jesus out of me. How can a course that is rated theoretically as quite tough (72/131 and now 73/133) play under DSR in a back marker event?

Summer. dry fairways, ball goes further.

So what gives????

nuthin. so many people whined about the old handicap system too.

[Rodent]

These days, your handicap will be higher if you play in comps where the burglars are trying. It's sad how the play of others has a bearing on your hcp. I would prefer it to be me against the course. The cheats would then bother me less.

[markTHEblake]

It's sad how the play of others has a bearing on your hcp..

That's how it has been in Australian handicapping system for more than 25 years. Why do you think it was better when the Captain decided what the DCR was, using nothing but his personal subjective opinion?

[Rodent]

That's how it has been in Australian handicapping system for more than 25 years. Why do you think it was better when the Captain decided what the DCR was, using nothing but his personal subjective opinion?

I never played under that system. The ccr combined with the old hcp system was better than dsr is under the current system. The current best 8 of 20 is burglars paradise. They can try much more often without damaging their inflated hcp. That's a FACT.

[Rodent]

Edit Best 8 of 20

[3Puttpete]

I never played under that system. The ccr combined with the old hcp system was better than dsr is under the current system. The current best 8 of 12 is burglars paradise. They can try much more often without damaging their inflated hcp. That's a FACT.

Did you play under the 12.5% or whatever it was system?

How long since it's been anything other than 8 out of 20?

[Rodent]

Yes, 12.5%. Wild guess...7 years?

[Rodent]

It was 10/20 a couple of years back. Getting 0.1 back for a bad round I'm guessing was 7 years ago.

[markTHEblake]

I never played under that system. The ccr combined with the old hcp system was better than dsr is under the current system. .

How is the old DSR system better, when your main argument is that the new DSR is "sad how the play of others has a bearing on your hcp"

[3Puttpete]

It's sad how the play of others has a bearing on your hcp.

Yes, 12.5%. Wild guess...7 years?

This is where I struggle to figure out whatever point you're trying to make.

Didn't the 12.5% affect your hcp?

[Rodent]

Because burglars couldn't play well as often if they wanted to keep their hcp

[3Puttpete]

Because burglars couldn't play well as often if they wanted to keep their hcp

So it's the extra 2 out of 20 rounds that kept them honest?

[3Puttpete]

Seems to me like you're enforcing the Ambrose rule because your handicap isn't as low as you think it should be. Maybe you're just not that good.

[Rodent]

Under the current system, you could get 45 stableford pts every 4th round and not see a drop in your hcp. Under the old system, a c grader would lose 3.6 each time they scored 45 (assuming ccr=par) and only get 0.1 back for each bad round. Hence they couldn't “try“ as often.

[3Puttpete]

Under the current system, you could get 45 stableford pts every 4th round and not see a drop in your hcp.

This might be correct over 20 rounds if your next best 4 are no more than 25 points but it's not correct in a shorter timeframe

[Rodent]

This might be correct? Of course it's correct, we're talking manipulation. The system allows someone to play incredibly well quite often without dropping hcp. Why? Because bad scores count!

[3Puttpete]

This might be correct? Of course it's correct, we're talking manipulation. The system allows someone to play incredibly well quite often without dropping hcp. Why? Because bad scores count!

You're talking manipulation. I don't believe a word of it.

Accept you're a chopper and move on or play social golf and make up your own hcp.

[Steve57]

I can't believe all the BS in this thread.
The system is the way it is because that is what Golf Australia decided.
Like it or not every amateur golfer in the country is subject to the same conditions.
Yes there are cheats out there just like there is in every other sport ever played by mankind.
If you don't like it, don't play!

[PeteyD]

Rodent your maths is shocking. You can not have 45 points every 4th round and not have it change your handicap.

[Rodent]

My comments refer to the current system being more beneficial to manipulators than the old system. They are able to try more often. This in turn impacts dsr at courses where manipulators are over represented. What's that got to do with my ability? Whether I'm off 6 or 4 won't change much. I'm just commenting on my observations. Some courses have realistic dsr and some don't. The ones that don't seem to have lots of blokes who dread losing a shot.

[Hux]

Under the current system, you could get 45 stableford pts every 4th round and not see a drop in your hcp. Under the old system, a c grader would lose 3.6 each time they scored 45 (assuming ccr=par) and only get 0.1 back for each bad round. Hence they couldn't “try“ as often.

I am confused.
For this to occur you are suggesting that mathematically the other 4 counted rounds are going to be in the order of played to 32 for someone on a playing handicap of 22. I would like to see how many golfers would have 4 counting rounds of 45 (ie 13 under handicap) and their next best is 10 over handicap.

As a B grader I have 2 rounds under handicap and my worst of the remaining 6 is 2 rounds within 2 strokes of actual index. I would expect more variance in C grade but not the level you indicate.

[Rodent]

Hux it was just a hypothetical to show how the current system is much easier to manipulate. Under the old system, 1 good round could shave say 4 shots from a handicap. Then it may take 40 bad rounds to return to the handicap that yielded the good score. Not much fun for a manipulator.
Under the current system, a manipulator can win much more often than they could in the past. Now because good scores don't hurt handicaps like they used to, it is my contention that courses with lots of burglars have DSR's that are too low.
It doesn't affect me much any more because I elect to play where the DSR's are fair dinkum.