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    Default What is 4BBB? Sounds like B105?!?! :(

    After understanding how the points calculated, would someone tell me how 4BBB thingy work?

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    http://golf.about.com/library/glossary/blglossary.htm

    Rule 31-1
    In four-ball stroke play two competitors play as partners, each playing his own ball. The lower score of the partners is the score for the hole. If one partner fails to complete the play of a hole, there is no penalty.
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    As with anything A-Lo, you will understand a lot more from getting out and doing it hands-on.

    When you are in a 4BBB event, advise your partner you are not completely familiar with the scoring, and ask them for help.
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    ALo - did you watch the Ryder Cup???
    the 4BBB was one of the formate used...
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    No foxtel nor able to access to TV Didn't see ryder cup Loved to thu

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    A-Lo, are you asking this because of our upcoming Nambour Round?

    4BBB stands for 4 ball best ball.
    You play your own ball, and work out your own personal score at the end of each hole.
    Your partner will do the same.
    Your result for the hole is the best score out of the two.

    This can apply for stroke, stableford or par formats.(see previous lesson for description of stableford )

    For stableford, if you scored 3 points, and your partner scored 2 points or less. You would take the 3 points.

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    Gotta love you guys. Everyone is so helpful to advise. Never is anyone made to feel uncomfortable if they are not sure of anything.
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    Andylo........are you playing a 4BB soon. It is such a great game. Combines both team work and individual game. Good luck!!! and have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowergirl
    Gotta love you guys. Everyone is so helpful to advise. Never is anyone made to feel uncomfortable if they are not sure of anything.
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    Being from a Helpdesk background, of course i am outwardly helpful, mind you the amount of cursing and name calling that occurred as i wrote my message can't be published...
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    Yeah, Andy just get out and play, and you will pick it up quickly enough....

    But what I don't understand is why is it called 4 Ball, when only 2 players are playing??

    I personally don't like them, because they don't count towards handicap's....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    I personally don't like them, because they don't count towards handicap's....
    We usually play them combined with an individual stableford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    But what I don't understand is why is it called 4 Ball, when only 2 players are playing??
    I have a theory, wanna hear it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    But what I don't understand is why is it called 4 Ball, when only 2 players are playing??
    It is confusing, probably because there is four people playing in the group.
    The term best-ball is confusing too. Makes it sound more like an ambrose format where you pick the best ball after each shot.

    I personally don't like them, because they don't count towards handicap's....
    Can't they count towards your handicap if you dominate the scoring in the team. I'm not sure how many holes of yours would have to count, it may be at the discretion of the handicapper.

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    With 2 players playing best ball, you should still have a full 18 holes recorded - so you should still be able to weigh that against your handicap. Like Drunken said, our 2 or 4B's are usually in conjunction with a single stableford. At my course they don't give you a 2nd card for the Best-ball scoring, they just look at the individual card and tally up from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP
    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    But what I don't understand is why is it called 4 Ball, when only 2 players are playing??
    It is confusing, probably because there is four people playing in the group.

    The term best-ball is confusing too. Makes it sound more like an ambrose format where you pick the best ball after each shot.
    Yep, stupid isn't it.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP
    I personally don't like them, because they don't count towards handicap's....
    Can't they count towards your handicap if you dominate the scoring in the team. I'm not sure how many holes of yours would have to count, it may be at the discretion of the handicapper.
    I think you need 14 or 15 scores for it to count towards a hcp, so would have to have a dominating game over your partner....

    Quote Originally Posted by 3oneday
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    Nope....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman Dan
    With 2 players playing best ball, you should still have a full 18 holes recorded - so you should still be able to weigh that against your handicap. Like Drunken said, our 2 or 4B's are usually in conjunction with a single stableford. At my course they don't give you a 2nd card for the Best-ball scoring, they just look at the individual card and tally up from that.
    Not if you pick up on a hole.....

    Whenever I've played 4B they have just given one card for the Best ball...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman Dan
    With 2 players playing best ball, you should still have a full 18 holes recorded - so you should still be able to weigh that against your handicap. Like Drunken said, our 2 or 4B's are usually in conjunction with a single stableford. At my course they don't give you a 2nd card for the Best-ball scoring, they just look at the individual card and tally up from that.
    You may not record all 18 holes, if you are not playing an individual event in conjunction.
    If your ball is still in play and your partner has already finished the hole for 3 points, and you can't better that, then you would pick up.

    I don't think a team event should count towards your handicap anyway, as you may use a different strategy to your normal play. That is, you may attack a shot, when you wouldn't normally, knowing that your partner is going to make a safe two pointer.

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    What's this 'strategy' thing you lot keep mentioning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman Dan
    With 2 players playing best ball, you should still have a full 18 holes recorded - so you should still be able to weigh that against your handicap. Like Drunken said, our 2 or 4B's are usually in conjunction with a single stableford. At my course they don't give you a 2nd card for the Best-ball scoring, they just look at the individual card and tally up from that.
    Dan, if it is a Fourball event, it is now illegal to have a singles in conjunction. Subsequently, there is no point in marking everybodies score as you CANNOT be handicapped on the full score you recorded.

    As Iain stated, the correct way to record a Fourball is to record the best score ONLY. If you then appear on that card more than I think 12 times, you may be handicapped, seemingly based on suspicion. But I guarantee you, if you hand in a card that shows your personal score of 45 points but the event was a 4BBB, you should NOT be handicapped, one of the vagaries of golf I suppose.

    This is also another reason why Fourballs are minimally played.

    It is now legal to play a singles event, with a 2 ball in conjunction, the 4bbb with singles in conjunction has been outlawed due to concerns of advice being given, thus affecting a singles score. Basically a crock, changed by some rules official who was bored in his retirement.

    The beauty of a 4BBB is, the game should be a quick and enjoyable one, as you are playing in a teams event, and if you can't beat your mate, you stick it in your pocket. Also, if your mate is in for a 3 pointer, and you have a putt for a 4 pointer, the consequences of sticking it 4 feet past are irrelevent. As opposed to a singles with 2Ball in conjunction, where you play for yourself firstly, the team secondly

    Got it ???

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    Iain, were we offered to play in the 4-ball in conjunction with the individual, at Keperra on Sunday?

    Pete, how does the two ball work? Is that aggregate?

    BTW, just found this in the rule book too.
    Four-Ball: A match in which two play their better ball
    against the better ball of two other players.

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    A player can be handicapped if he is on the card 9 or more times.
    However becuase he is then allocated between 1 and 2.5 over par for the holes he has missed (handicap dependant) , its extremely unlikely that it will affect his handicap unless he is on the card 13 times or more.

    Even so, its only the most nasty of handicappers that would bother to work it all out.

    Therefore its suicidal for a golfer record both scores on the card, cos that leaves him wide open for a handicap reduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP
    Iain, were we offered to play in the 4-ball in conjunction with the individual, at Keperra on Sunday?

    Pete, how does the two ball work? Is that aggregate?
    Yes Andy I believe we were....

    Never heard of 2 ball.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP
    Four-Ball: A match in which two play their better ball
    against the better ball of two other players.
    That's what i understood a 4-ball to be, rather than a 4-person team.

    Clear as mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP
    Iain, were we offered to play in the 4-ball in conjunction with the individual, at Keperra on Sunday?
    Yes Andy I believe we were....
    Pete has just told us that it is against the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3oneday
    Dan, if it is a Fourball event, it is now illegal to have a singles in conjunction.
    Which rule of golf is that?

    Its an interesting one, makes sense, but i reckon many clubs will still be doing that.
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