The Australian

**Jazz18** · 25th November 2015 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by PerryGroves

It would help if you could explain the difference between the sandwich at The Australian and a generic one.

For mine, forums are about being able to explain/at times argue/back up your opinions. Saying x is better than y is a pretty dull discussion.

Fair enough PG. I thought I had in a few comments throughout the thread. But the comments back were that it should be something else or it's a silly American course or ponds and white sand were stupid or that people who like the Australian only appeals to people who like big shiny things. In the end I had no other response but to agree to disagree.

**PerryGroves** · 25th November 2015 06:55 PM

Fair cop mate, pros will be effusive in their praise on the weekend.

Despite its "shortcomings" I will still be gassing on in the clubhouse on Sunday.

**Stuartd147** · 25th November 2015 08:50 PM

Walked the course today....magnificent condition.

It will be tough if that wind stays up. They have the fairways cut close around the bunkers too, go near them and the ball will just feed in to them. I walked up to the 7th ladies tee box and checked out the grass, if they cut it a few mm shorter it would be better than our greens!!!!!!!!!!

It was the first time I have seen Nicolas Colsaerts hit a ball...all I can say is wow. He launches his drives so high and long, they just stay hanging up in the air for ages.

Cant wait for the open to start on the tele tomorrow.

**Matt 3 Jab** · 25th November 2015 09:01 PM

Late to this, but having played the course a few times with pennants in / about 2005ish, i enjoyed it. Was amazing condition, and the greens firm and true.

I liked it better than the lakes, but having said that i liked Victoria GC and Woodlands better than the lakes.

The Aussie has a tough finish but you can score well if you are flushing it, which for me is good enough. The wind was really whipping up when i played it, and made the stretch down 12-15 tough.

Not enough of a course critic to outline its points, but its nice. Maybe not unique, but nice.

Have a contact there, trying to play it again soon

**Jazz18** · 26th November 2015 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab

Late to this, but having played the course a few times with pennants in / about 2005ish, i enjoyed it. Was amazing condition, and the greens firm and true.

I liked it better than the lakes, but having said that i liked Victoria GC and Woodlands better than the lakes.

The Aussie has a tough finish but you can score well if you are flushing it, which for me is good enough. The wind was really whipping up when i played it, and made the stretch down 12-15 tough.

Not enough of a course critic to outline its points, but its nice. Maybe not unique, but nice.

Have a contact there, trying to play it again soon

Who did you play for Matt?

**Matt 3 Jab** · 29th November 2015 10:03 AM

New Brighton mate, the 18-23 pennants

**westy** · 29th November 2015 07:48 PM

The Oz is a fantastic tournament course. THat however does not make it a fantastic course
Condition, access, good parking, good viewing, and a tough challenge. The oz is one of the best,
But still not a great course

**Captain Nemo** · 29th November 2015 08:46 PM

Westy give us your Aus top 10 courses, in order please, love to see.,

**Coldtopper** · 29th November 2015 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by westy

The Oz is a fantastic tournament course. THat however does not make it a fantastic course
Condition, access, good parking, good viewing, and a tough challenge. The oz is one of the best,
But still not a great course

They dont do people called Westy at the Australian for a reason.

**jimandr** · 29th November 2015 09:20 PM

Most ranking lists put The Australian somewhere between 10 and 20, behind all the good sand belt, NSW, Ellerston, Royal Adelaide, the two Barbougles and one or two others.

That still makes it pretty good, even if it is not absolutely top drawer.

But does it really matter?

**3oneday** · 29th November 2015 09:55 PM

Only if there's boobs.

**mrbluu** · 30th November 2015 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by 3oneday

Only if there's boobs.

BYO??

**westy** · 30th November 2015 10:03 AM

I think perhaps you confuse conditioning with quality of design?
Strip away the poshness, the history, the prestige the quality of the fairways, and actually look at the design.

If you took it out of Sydney and put in on the gold coast, where it would fit right in, it might just make top 50 in the country

**meh** · 30th November 2015 10:49 AM

I don't think Westy is saying it is not a good course. It's definitely not a great course and if you think it is you probably haven't played at a great course.

**WBennett** · 30th November 2015 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by westy

I think perhaps you confuse conditioning with quality of design?
Strip away the poshness, the history, the prestige the quality of the fairways, and actually look at the design.

If you took it out of Sydney and put in on the gold coast, where it would fit right in, it might just make top 50 in the country

If you were to stick it in the Yarra Valley, would it be better architecturally than the Heritage (either course), Gardiners Run and Yering Meadows?

**Moe Norman** · 30th November 2015 12:13 PM

Yes, it would be.

**WBennett** · 30th November 2015 12:16 PM

I haven't played any of them Thommo, so was just happy to ask a question.

I have no gripe with the course, other than it could have been anywhere in the world, and in no way uniquely Australian as the sandbelt is...

**benno_r** · 30th November 2015 12:54 PM

Everyone keeps saying the Sandbelt is the quintessential Aussie course.

Considering there are 24 courses in the sandbelt (according to Wiki), out of 1500ish in Australia (a whopping 1.6%), I'd argue the AustralianGC is more representative of Australian golf than any course on the sandbelt.

**Yossarian** · 30th November 2015 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by benno_r

Everyone keeps saying the Sandbelt is the quintessential Aussie course.

Considering there are 24 courses in the sandbelt (according to Wiki), out of 1500ish in Australia (a whopping 1.6%), I'd argue the AustralianGC is more representative of Australian golf than any course on the sandbelt.

But there is only 1 Australian and 24 courses on the sandbelt....

**benno_r** · 30th November 2015 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Yossarian

But there is only 1 Australian and 24 courses on the sandbelt....

Yes, but there would be more than 24 courses getting around that are built in a similar style to the Australian.

**3Puttpete** · 30th November 2015 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Yossarian

But there is only 1 Australian and 24 courses on the sandbelt....

I am, you are

That's 2

**JADO75** · 30th November 2015 01:04 PM

Maybe the sandbelt courses are uniquely Australian for that area of Australia but not necessarily a representation for Australia?

**Yossarian** · 30th November 2015 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by benno_r

Yes, but there would be more than 24 courses getting around that are built in a similar style to the Australian.

Would any of them have the resources and prestige/wank factor?

**Yossarian** · 30th November 2015 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by 3puttpete

I am, you are

That's 2

Terrible, but I did laugh.

**benno_r** · 30th November 2015 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Yossarian

Would any of them have the resources and prestige/wank factor?

Probably not 24. But wank factor matters little in course layout.

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