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    Default Bushy's stats for 2015 using GRGS

    I'm a bit of a stats freak. Love them, I think they can help my game especially now that I have a second child and my practice time will be limited.

    I've used golfshot, ShotsToHole.com, Excel spreadsheets and a plethora of other less adept apps but during 2015 I'm going to use GRGS- Get Real Golf Stats. An Australian developed program that uses an app for input and a simple to use website for looking at your data. Actually you could do it all on the app, the screenshots I'll add here are all from the app. They've just signed a deal with the LPGA and already have an affiliation with numerous golf programs in both Australia and the US. I got a Platinum subscription during the black Friday sales for something like $30.

    I started 2014 playing off about 4-5 but I believed I was heading lower based the consistency of my game at the time. I changed irons to a chunkier head than I was used to (Covert Forged) thinking that some forgiveness would get me closer to scratch which was my initial goal. In reality I went the other direction (anchored on 10). I'm only thinking that the irons are the main reason for my slide because as soon as I went back to smaller headed 'unforgiving' irons my scores immediately dropped and I shot a 73, 74 and 75 in a two week period.

    Anyway this isn't about blades v cavity backs but is more of a journal to try and quantify a change in my game. I'm going to read more classic golf books this year, plus read "Every Shot Counts" by Mark Broadie and see where I end up in 12 months time. I've got two competitive games left this year but to this point my stats are as follows.











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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Off topic but what did you think of the 4th and 13th? I personally would've rather waited a few more weeks. However a bit of traffic on them will do them good.
    They're not so bad. They'll take some time to soften up to the point were they play the same as the established greens. I'm just happy to not have to play the temps any more.
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    Default Bushy's stats for 2015 using GRGS

    But 13 was a gimme birdie hole with the temp green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    But 13 was a gimme birdie hole with the temp green?
    Not for me it wasn't.

    I hate hoping I get a decent bounce. Too many times I've hit good shots that either land soft and stop short or get a hard kick through or off to once side.
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    Yes, agreed. I was being highly sarcastic. They do look good. Can't wait until they roll nice too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Yes, agreed. I was being highly sarcastic. They do look good. Can't wait until they roll nice too.
    I reckon they're rolling pretty nice already, just at a slightly slower pace than the rest. I made an easy 8-footer for double on 4 this morning.
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    Haha.

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    I need a better way of sharing the stats.

    I love the app and the stuff it's telling me is really helping me strategically. Unfortunately I've missed a couple of rounds but It's giving me the gist at the moment.

    Screen shooting the stats is a little tedious.

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    Early on in this thread I said that I would do Bushy style stats for my next six rounds just to see how they compared. The six rounds are now complete, so I'll present the results.

    I do not have Courty's talent with spreadsheets, or Bushy's system, so I'll just type them out and put Bushy's comparable stat in brackets.

    Total Rounds 6 (6)

    Par 72 (72)

    Score Ave 83.66 (80.17)

    Fairway Acc 63.40 (66.67)

    GIR 44 (44.44)

    Up/down 43 (3

    Sand Saves 30 (12.5) Small samples, mine was 3 of 10, Bushy's 1 of 8

    Putts 31.16 (31.5)

    Par 3 +11 (+11)

    Par 4 +43 (+3

    Par 5 +14 (-1)

    Low Score 81 (73)

    High Score 88 (8

    Off the tee 52/82 (56/84) My misses = 19 left, 11 right. Bushy = 14 left 14 right (I think, I forgot to look this up)

    At the green 46% on (44.4) 3% over (9) 8% left (10) 11% right (10) short 30% (23). Most of my short ones were mishits, not under clubbing.

    Putts total = 193 (189)

    1 putts = 33 (34)

    3 putts = 11 (7)

    Putts per GIR = 2.1 (1.89)

    2 putts inside 30ft = 95.7% (96.3)

    2 putts outside 30ft = 55% (71.4). For me this was 10 of 19 - pathetic, isn't it.

    Ave length holed per round = 35.5 (78.5) I had a lot of tap-ins.

    Putts holed under 6ft = 92 of 103, 89.3% (67 of 71, 94.37%)

    Putts holed 6 to 10 = 6 of 17, 35.2% (16 of 40, 40.00%)

    Putts holed 10 to 25 = 8 of 43, 18.6% (2 of 14, 14%)

    Putts holed over 25 = zero of 19 (1 of 10)

    3 putts under 6ft = 0 of 103 (0 of 71)

    3 putts 6 to 10 = 0 of 17 (1 of 40)

    3 putts 10 to 25 = 2 of 43 (1 of 14)

    3 putts over 25 = 9 of 19 (2 of 10)

    Some of these stats aren't quite comparable. I counted GIR as approaches to greens rather than genuine GIR. Which means if I had a chip out and then hit the green from 150 with my third, I counted that as a GIR for the purpose of this exercise.

    Bushy measured his proximity to hole distances, which I decided not to do. This stat gets skewed badly by a few really bad shots. I hit a shank today from 120m that was still 70m from the green for my next. Professionals don't hit shanks (except Webb Simpson), and they don't hit duffs and skulls, and I'm not really trying to compare my game to the pro game anyway.

    So, what does this all mean. The obvious thing is that I'm a crap golfer, and I'm a crap golfer at all parts of the game. My long putting is the worst of all. Bushy is a slightly better golfer than me, according to these stats, but I suspect he is actually a fair bit better, and if I continued with this exercise the stats would show this.

    Did I get the results I expected? Sort of. My driving is usually more accurate than in these 6 rounds, and my putting is often worse.

    So, what's the point? For me this was a bit of fun to see whether my stats matched Bushy's. For a lot of things they were pretty close, which is why we are both off high single figures. Apart from that there is no point. If I was capable of improving certain aspects of my game I would, and I don't need stats to tell me that everything is a weakness and nothing is a real strength. I could practice my long putting all day, every day, but would it get better? Maybe, but practice putting is the most boring thing in the golfing world, so I'm not going to do it.

    I notice that Bushy is updating his stats in his signature. I'll keep an eye on that just for fun, but I'm not going to keep my stats any longer.

    Congrats to any reader who got all the way through this dribble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimandr View Post
    Early on in this thread I said that I would do Bushy style stats for my next six rounds just to see how they compared. The six rounds are now complete, so I'll present the results.

    I do not have Courty's talent with spreadsheets, or Bushy's system, so I'll just type them out and put Bushy's comparable stat in brackets.

    Total Rounds 6 (6)

    Par 72 (72)

    Score Ave 83.66 (80.17)

    Fairway Acc 63.40 (66.67)

    GIR 44 (44.44)

    Up/down 43 (3

    Sand Saves 30 (12.5) Small samples, mine was 3 of 10, Bushy's 1 of 8

    Putts 31.16 (31.5)

    Par 3 +11 (+11)

    Par 4 +43 (+3

    Par 5 +14 (-1)

    Low Score 81 (73)

    High Score 88 (8

    Off the tee 52/82 (56/84) My misses = 19 left, 11 right. Bushy = 14 left 14 right (I think, I forgot to look this up)

    At the green 46% on (44.4) 3% over (9) 8% left (10) 11% right (10) short 30% (23). Most of my short ones were mishits, not under clubbing.

    Putts total = 193 (189)

    1 putts = 33 (34)

    3 putts = 11 (7)

    Putts per GIR = 2.1 (1.89)

    2 putts inside 30ft = 95.7% (96.3)

    2 putts outside 30ft = 55% (71.4). For me this was 10 of 19 - pathetic, isn't it.

    Ave length holed per round = 35.5 (78.5) I had a lot of tap-ins.

    Putts holed under 6ft = 92 of 103, 89.3% (67 of 71, 94.37%)

    Putts holed 6 to 10 = 6 of 17, 35.2% (16 of 40, 40.00%)

    Putts holed 10 to 25 = 8 of 43, 18.6% (2 of 14, 14%)

    Putts holed over 25 = zero of 19 (1 of 10)

    3 putts under 6ft = 0 of 103 (0 of 71)

    3 putts 6 to 10 = 0 of 17 (1 of 40)

    3 putts 10 to 25 = 2 of 43 (1 of 14)

    3 putts over 25 = 9 of 19 (2 of 10)

    Some of these stats aren't quite comparable. I counted GIR as approaches to greens rather than genuine GIR. Which means if I had a chip out and then hit the green from 150 with my third, I counted that as a GIR for the purpose of this exercise.

    Bushy measured his proximity to hole distances, which I decided not to do. This stat gets skewed badly by a few really bad shots. I hit a shank today from 120m that was still 70m from the green for my next. Professionals don't hit shanks (except Webb Simpson), and they don't hit duffs and skulls, and I'm not really trying to compare my game to the pro game anyway.

    So, what does this all mean. The obvious thing is that I'm a crap golfer, and I'm a crap golfer at all parts of the game. My long putting is the worst of all. Bushy is a slightly better golfer than me, according to these stats, but I suspect he is actually a fair bit better, and if I continued with this exercise the stats would show this.

    Did I get the results I expected? Sort of. My driving is usually more accurate than in these 6 rounds, and my putting is often worse.

    So, what's the point? For me this was a bit of fun to see whether my stats matched Bushy's. For a lot of things they were pretty close, which is why we are both off high single figures. Apart from that there is no point. If I was capable of improving certain aspects of my game I would, and I don't need stats to tell me that everything is a weakness and nothing is a real strength. I could practice my long putting all day, every day, but would it get better? Maybe, but practice putting is the most boring thing in the golfing world, so I'm not going to do it.

    I notice that Bushy is updating his stats in his signature. I'll keep an eye on that just for fun, but I'm not going to keep my stats any longer.

    Congrats to any reader who got all the way through this dribble.
    That was very interesting reading. I definitely understand what you mean about what good are stats when their all crap. I'm a little like that myself.

    However I'm starting a training program with my Pro, with the express aim to get me back consistently shooting in the 70's and my cap back to 4 by the end of the year and to 'tighten-up' my game before going back to Scotland in May.
    We want to try and get most of my rounds until then flagged.

    Something I've learned from this already is where to layup. I previously would lay up to 100-120m to get a full shot however now I can see that 60-90m is my got to zone. I'll try keep it updated as best I can.

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    Ok. Worst round ever as far as I'm concerned. After putting in a lot of work with a coach for the last few weeks my practice rounds were going very well so my confidence was high. Played like a busted a$$. One positive is I putted well but not great, I also hurt my neck on Friday so that might have had something to do with it. It was EXTREMELY hot and IMO the conditions were pretty crap. Next week is another week.
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    How did you find the green speed yesterday, Bushy?

    Haysey & myself had trouble getting it to the hole. We both agreed that they were a lot slower than they looked and both had a couple of 3-putts from long range.
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    Yeah they were definitely two speed, erring on slower.

    I actually thought the course was the worst I have seen it in years. I keep hearing it's a work in progress with the new guy but so far I'm not impressed.

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    I struggled all day to get the ball to the hole, particularly on chips. 3 x 3 putts on the back nine.

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    Had a good round going yesterday until 3 late careless bogeys on 15, 16 and 17. Mainly due to the retards in front of us who thought being 2 par 4's and a par 3 behind the group in front wasn't a big deal, waiting 10-15 minutes on every shot. Apparently if you're the club champion, a + marker and a couple of low markers playing for $$$ in a non-club sanctioned matchplay comp you can do whatever the F*** you want.

    Anyway...



    I hit the ball very well yesterday, driving was a bit erratic for me, but I got the ball up and down well.
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    Just for comparisons sake, I'll post some screenshots from Shotstothehole.com, they have the same data just presented differently. They're all benchmarked against the averages for a +1 to -1 golfer, which is my goal.

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    Shots 0-100m

    Shots 100-250m (approach)

    Shots 250-600m (off the tee)

    Tabled data for putts

    Tabled data for shots

    Club data

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    Below I'll add the Shotstothehole.com "What-if Analysis" which compares a baseline (i.e. best round, last round, last 10 etc) to whatever 'benchmark' you select. Again I've selected the handicap range of +1 to -1 but you can use whatever you want from the huge selection in the drop down box.

    The result is a slider where you can adjust the dispersion distances for each specific range. You can see where you sit in relation to your benchmarked group. On the right of the sliders it has 'score change' which shows how many shots you will lose or add depending on your stats in relation to the benchmark. It looks confusing but its fairly simple to understand. This is the big advantage to shotstothehole.com compared to GRGS, it gives me a better idea of where I should be practicing to get the most return from my game.

    Like I said at the start, I love data, I enjoy pouring over this stuff. If only Shotstothehole.com weren't so expensive.
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    Latest Shotstothehole.com stats page, benchmarked against scratch player.


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    Being playing very average lately. have been getting regular lessons and the mechanics are good but my decision making has been abhorrent. Putting has been very good. Making a lot of putts inside 12ft and have been under 30 for the last 3 rounds.

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    Hi Bushy, which service to you prefer. I've been looking at them, they are both expensive, but shotstohole seems to have more detailed stats and for a someone looking to get to scratch seems to be a better option. Its expensive though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilesy View Post
    Hi Bushy, which service to you prefer. I've been looking at them, they are both expensive, but shotstohole seems to have more detailed stats and for a someone looking to get to scratch seems to be a better option. Its expensive though.
    I definitely Agree. Both require the same input data however shotstothehole gives you more in return. They are expensive too.

    I am also running a strokes gained spreadsheet that I got from GolfWRX, however I'm waiting for my copy of "Every Shot Counts" to arrive so I can interpret it a little better.

    Hands down shotstothehole is the best, justifying $199 a year is a little difficult though. I got a three month subscription which takes me up to my trip to Scotland where I can make a call wether it's working or not.

    I've got an on course lesson this week to iron out a few things.

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    I had a go at building my own spreadsheet last year, that then turned into a website, then daylight savings started and I didn't finish it. Now daylight savings has finished I'm going to try to finish it off. I'm just too cheap to pay for shotstohole, so hopefully I can get something half as good.

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    I've decided that GRGS is going to be what I use for the rest of the year. I have considered maybe using either an app or spreadsheet for putting alone but TBH I can't be bothered now and it takes away from actually playing the game. I've been playing well, actually very well, when just out playing with mates but come comp rounds I'm like a complete hack.

    If anyone has or gets GRGS my "easy join code" is 9z1a5 which allows anyone to check out my stats.



 

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