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    I don't see what the big deal is here.

    If Andy is happy for Ray to sell his gear on Andy's privately owned site, it should be of no concern to anyone.

    My only issue is that the pants I was eyeing up jumped up $5 in price when Ray summarised his remaining stock .




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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck View Post
    If Andy is happy for Ray to sell his gear on Andy's privately owned site, it should be of no concern to anyone.
    I'm happy if the buyers are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    I'm happy if the buyers are happy.
    Which is also one of the criteria we've talked about
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    Quote Originally Posted by wbennett View Post
    I have bought plenty off Ray over the years and always happily, but the operation had seemed to step up a gear. If you are expecting new posters to post 150 times before selling, maybe you could expect existing sellers to post in threads other than their for sale threads.
    I agree that sellers should contribute to the forum, and they should definitely be offering 'mates rates' on whatever they are selling. Prices should generally be less than what you would get if you just went and flogged the gear on eBay - I think this is a good way to show that you're fitting in with the vibe.
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    other forums I am on (non-golf) have a sponsors section for which I assume there is a payment for. They do have a banner up the top of the forum page that rotates through each of the sponsors (non-obtrusive) and each sponsor has a dedicated section where people can ask questions etc

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    Give it a go.

    We've already had Vision, BirdieBall, Nunchuk, Shotmaker and a putting ramp vendor on here as regular posters doing their stuff. And PPGL donated prizes to the last two NSW OZgolf champs.
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    Pure grips as well I think


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardy101 View Post
    other forums I am on (non-golf) have a sponsors section for which I assume there is a payment for. They do have a banner up the top of the forum page that rotates through each of the sponsors (non-obtrusive) and each sponsor has a dedicated section where people can ask questions etc
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    And we all know that nobody can be more negative than an aggrieved Ozgolfer.

    In my opinion, the way we are dealing with our commercial friends works fine. But we'd probably accept prize donations for OzGolf State Champs (if anyone turns up).
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    Could there be a separate pro shop for commercial sales? I'm all for having as many sources of good deals on golf gear as possible, private or commercial. Having the regular pro shop available to commercial operators depending on whether they get the vibe and do business at ozgolf prices is pretty subjective. If you open it up to all and put them in a separate thread people can choose whether or not to frequent the thread and the market will take care of the rest. If they prove trustworthy and do good deals, we benefit and they'll move a lot of product. If they don't, they won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    Could there be a separate pro shop for commercial sales? I'm all for having as many sources of good deals on golf gear as possible, private or commercial. Having the regular pro shop available to commercial operators depending on whether they get the vibe and do business at ozgolf prices is pretty subjective. If you open it up to all and put them in a separate thread people can choose whether or not to frequent the thread and the market will take care of the rest. If they prove trustworthy and do good deals, we benefit and they'll move a lot of product. If they don't, they won't.
    totally agree and more to the point, some of our "commercial" guys don't sell at a huge margin, a bit to keep going so if they had their own spot, minimal fee even, would be great as it is all about getting we Ozgolfers a great deal!!!!!!





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    Seriously, it's a volunteer run Forum, let's keep it simple, if Mods approve then it's a done deal for who lists.


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    Yeah - I thought about a separate forum for anyone who is selling for profit - but it's not really justified at the moment as there isn't enough of it. Not much point having an empty forum. The main argument for it is so that members who are just selling their old gear etc (eg most of us) aren't getting drowned out by people selling to make money, but that's not happening right now - this issue can be addressed when (and if) it arises IMHO.

    My main aim for getting the discussion happening here was twofold - firstly to give people an outlet to actually tell us what the problem is and stop them complaining in pro shop threads, and following on from that, if there is a problem, see if it can be fixed. To be honest though, based on the feedback here, I don't think the system is broken.

    Having said that, I think we need to be clear on what circumstances commercial sellers will be allowed. We discussed it internally and we seem to have a consensus that we want sellers who meet the following:

    a) They can't be just flogging stuff at retail - must be willing to give OzGolf members a reasonable discount
    b) Must be a product which has reasonable interest from the community
    c) Mustn't be spamming the forum everywhere, ads go in the pro shop only, and must be in a limited way (eg not overwhelming/flooding the forum with their crap)
    d) Feedback on service levels must be generally positive

    There is also a fifth criteria which is that we expect people to come here and participate in the community, not just post up a couple of ads and then bugger off until next time they want to sell something - it's a two way street. This one is difficult to enforce without manual checks and communication back and forth, but honestly any good retailer should be doing this anyway to a certain extent, even if it's just to be here and answer questions about things.

    Let us know what you think. This is not set in stone yet, but it seemed to me that we have a bit of consensus about it internally, anyway. Hopefully the logic is clear enough - I think unless we've missed something really important, it's likely that current and future commercial sellers will be expected to meet these criteria if they want to use the forum to sell their wares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    I'm happy if the buyers are happy.
    I'm happy.

    A suggestion could be a seperate area of the forum for commercial sellers. 5% commission on sales back to the site to be divvied up for state champs.




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    I'm happy with my purchases as well. the seller has purchased some stuff off me as well so all good a say.

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    Seems like a reasonable outcome....site I was referring to probably has 30 or so commercial 'sponsors' hence the own forum area makes sense there as the for sale section gets crowded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck View Post
    I don't see what the big deal is here.

    If Andy is happy for Ray to sell his gear on Andy's privately owned site, it should be of no concern to anyone.

    My only issue is that the pants I was eyeing up jumped up $5 in price when Ray summarised his remaining stock .
    Johnny,I'm currently on my way back from Dubai.Ive just seen this thread for the first time.Im in the process of moving everything into the one post after an idea of Courtys.

    I will sort it out properly when I get back.It would not have done this intentionally I was just in a hurry to get it all done.

    What ever pants you like the price you have them for is what was originally put up ok?

    I'm back in Melbourne late Sunday night,then heading to Gold Coast with my son Tuesday till Friday I will make sure I look after you,like I always do mate!

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention also,regards Ray!
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    had a look at some Sligo merchandise at a couple of courses in FNQ and Ray is certainly looking after us, $40 difference in short prices alone






 

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